Tablet PC vs Notebook

holyghost

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From what I see, both of them works & feel the same. So what's the advantage & disadvantage of using Tablet PC? Will Tablet PC be taking over the roll of notebooks?
 

Ben88

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There's a pretty good article by Machrome in PC magazine. As far as i'm concerned too much R&D is going into tablet pc's.
 

holyghost

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Originally posted by: Ben88
As far as i'm concerned too much R&D is going into tablet pc's.

Too much R&D? If it will revolutionize the industry, don't you think it's worth it? My questions is, will it? Will it be as Bill says, '5 years down the road, no one can leave home withhout it'. If that's true, then notebooks will be history.

 

Gunbuster

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'5 years down the road, no one can leave home withhout it'. If that's true, then notebooks will be history

It would be true now if batterys lasted 9 hours
 

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I've been using luggables / portables / laptops / notebooks since the early 80s. I'm looking forward to trying out the Tablet PC. The ONLY time I don't like using a notebook is when I need to sketch something. I always forget to take paper and a pen with me because I've become so dependent upon typing for taking notes and recording observations.

My only real concern with the Tablet PC is this -- how well will the screen itself deal with the wear and tear caused by the application of the stylus to the viewing surface? Are the manufacturers of these systems doing anything to ensure that users of these things don't wind up looking at their expensive displays through scratched, abraided viewing surfaces? I know that touch-screen / stylus use has been with us for a long time. I've also seen a lot of lousy-looking marred screens. It doesn't matter so much if the application is an industrial machine controller on a production floor or a little PDA screen, but I don't care to be staring at my high resolution graphics and minute details through a hazy mess.

Would anyone know if the materials being used for these things are going to hold up under normal use?

- prosaic
 

Horsepower

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That's what I've been pondering.. I like the Toshiba, but I've heard the screen is like a laptop. One of them has a true hard glass lens, that's the one I'm looking for.
 

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There one tablet PC that has 12-16 hour battery life, Anandtech covered it at Comdex. Its 3.9 pounds, 512MB RAM, 866MHz PIII CPU, 30GB HDD, 802.11b/a etc etc. Expect more longer lasting tablet PCs to enter the market next year.

Scribbler

Wacom technology is used heres how a tablet PC is built(sorta), three different layers, the sensors, the lcd screen, then a protective layer.

Wacom Tablet PC
 

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"We'll know that table PCs have gone too far when we see them built into the steering wheels of cars." - Quote created by 'wje'
 

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Originally posted by: Horsepower
That's what I've been pondering.. I like the Toshiba, but I've heard the screen is like a laptop. One of them has a true hard glass lens, that's the one I'm looking for.
Actually, another forum member "clued me" into the fact that some of them use the same surface as the Wacom Cintiq drawing tablet. Essentially, the surfaces are indesructable. Link to Cintiq: Cintiq
 

PlatinumGold

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from a gaming / performance perspective, sure the tablet pc isn't to exciting, but from the perspective of small businesses, the uses for this thing are only limited by the imagination.

this is a real breakthrough for pc's. this is what sets up pc's to be able to replace all those other proprietary things that companies use, like UPS w/ their little brown thing they carry around.

I'm really excited about the tablet pc and i should have one here by the end of the year for demo purposes. my clients are going to LOVE this device.
 

hdeck

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tablet pcs aren't a new "thing." they've been out, died down, and now are on the rise again. from the reviews i've read, i'm staying away.
 

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tablet pcs aren't a new "thing." they've been out, died down, and now are on the rise again. from the reviews i've read, i'm staying away.

Except for the fact, they have never had much OEM support, nor have they ever had massive software support.

Tablet PCs, run on Windows XP Tablet Edt, which is XP Pro with tablet functionality built in. The hand writing recognition is by far better than any previous attempts, the voice recognition isnt bad either. You cant play games on them(well except maybe for older non 3D games). But you can do everything else with them. Theres a big difference between MS's tablet PC specification, and all those other previous attempts, MS has support, major support. The others have not.
 

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Originally posted by: hdeck
tablet pcs aren't a new "thing." they've been out, died down, and now are on the rise again. from the reviews i've read, i'm staying away.

Exactly. Tablet PC is typical Microsoft "innovation": Someone else invented it long before they did.
 

prosaic

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Originally posted by: Nemesis77
Originally posted by: hdeck
tablet pcs aren't a new "thing." they've been out, died down, and now are on the rise again. from the reviews i've read, i'm staying away.

Exactly. Tablet PC is typical Microsoft "innovation": Someone else invented it long before they did.

Huh? What's that got to do with the price of tea in China? Whether something is innovation or improvement is immaterial, isn't it? Should we go back and pay royalties to whoever invented the original clay tablet? If a bunch other companies have tried to make a "tablet-like" PC work and have failed is Microsoft supposed to avoid making it work in order to avoid having people make snide comments like this? I had a Newton. It was kind of cool, but VERY limited. I'll be delighted if Microsoft and its business partners can make this concept work. It's about danged time that SOMEONE did!

- prosaic
 

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Huh? What's that got to do with the price of tea in China? Whether something is innovation or improvement is immaterial, isn't it? Should we go back and pay royalties to whoever invented the original clay tablet? If a bunch other companies have tried to make a "tablet-like" PC work and have failed is Microsoft supposed to avoid making it work in order to avoid having people make snide comments like this? I had a Newton. It was kind of cool, but VERY limited. I'll be delighted if Microsoft and its business partners can make this concept work. It's about danged time that SOMEONE did!

- prosaic

exactly. that tablet pc is not new is not relevant to the discussion of how tablet pc's compare to notebooks. tablet pc's will REVOLUTIONIZE the market. :)
 

Nemesis77

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Originally posted by: prosaic
Originally posted by: Nemesis77
Originally posted by: hdeck
tablet pcs aren't a new "thing." they've been out, died down, and now are on the rise again. from the reviews i've read, i'm staying away.

Exactly. Tablet PC is typical Microsoft "innovation": Someone else invented it long before they did.

Huh? What's that got to do with the price of tea in China? Whether something is innovation or improvement is immaterial, isn't it? Should we go back and pay royalties to whoever invented the original clay tablet? If a bunch other companies have tried to make a "tablet-like" PC work and have failed is Microsoft supposed to avoid making it work in order to avoid having people make snide comments like this? I had a Newton. It was kind of cool, but VERY limited. I'll be delighted if Microsoft and its business partners can make this concept work. It's about danged time that SOMEONE did!

- prosaic

What are you talking about? My powst was more about the fact how MS hypes the product. You could say that it's immaterial that is something improvement or innovation, but MS clearly pushes Tablet PS as a MS-innovation. And it's NOT a MS-innovation. It would be OK if they said "we decided to enter the Tablet PC market". But instead they are saying "We have a brand-new newer before seen innovation called the Tablet PC!", when in fact it's neither "brand new" nor an "innovation".
 

Nemesis77

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Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
exactly. that tablet pc is not new is not relevant to the discussion of how tablet pc's compare to notebooks. tablet pc's will REVOLUTIONIZE the market. :)

But it relevant to the issue how Tablet PC is marketed. MS pushes it as a brand-new MS-invention, when in fact MS is only about 10 years late.
 

PlatinumGold

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But it relevant to the issue how Tablet PC is marketed. MS pushes it as a brand-new MS-invention, when in fact MS is only about 10 years late.

an ms hater huh. oh well.


i'm not an ms lover myself, but i like what they've done here. the combination of processing power, lcd availability, lcd technology, battery technologies, ram availability was NEVER what it is today. all that together with the MS initiative for an OS that supports the Tablet PC allows this one to be one like NEVER before. none of the other products even tho they cost 10 times as much were able to offer soo many features like today's Tablet PC. so say what you want about MS you cannot deny the unique position the tablet pc occupies and it seriously does have the potential to REVOLUTIONIZE the PC market as we know it.
 

prosaic

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What are you talking about? My powst was more about the fact how MS hypes the product. You could say that it's immaterial that is something improvement or innovation, but MS clearly pushes Tablet PS as a MS-innovation. And it's NOT a MS-innovation. It would be OK if they said "we decided to enter the Tablet PC market". But instead they are saying "We have a brand-new newer before seen innovation called the Tablet PC!", when in fact it's neither "brand new" nor an "innovation".

Two observations:

1. If you eliminated hype in this society, there would be dead silence. In an age where sweeping panoramas, swelling music, and deep philosophical conversations on the beach are used to advertise feminine hygiene products and the ownership of huge, hideous, expensive SUVs is equated with freedom -- exactly what is it that you find so outrageous or horrific about any claims MS may have made with regard to this product?

2. Lots of people flapped wings, jumped off of cliffs, and made other assorted suicidal attempts to fly for quite a long time. We still credit Wilbur and Orville with the actual invention of the airplane because they were the first to produce and demonstrate a device that at least provided a modicum of the functionality of a practical, heavier-than-air aerial transport device. I've wanted something with the power of a decent notebook combined with full-fledged writing recognition and the ability to record sketched diagrams ever since I started toting "portable" computing equipment about the planet with me. This is the first time anything has come close to that basic spec. The previous attempts have been jokes. For what do we give credit to Microsoft's predecessors in this arena -- parody? Parody usually comes AFTER that which it mimics, not before it.

If Microsoft has made a Tablet PC that actually works and does what I need it to do, I'm gonna acquiesce to Billy boy and company calling themselves the inventors (or innovators or whatever else they want to call themselves) of the Tablet PC. I'll be satisfied with that, as long as they don't pretend that they're selling me freedom or self-assurance or life everlasting or whatever else all of the real charlatans and mountebanks of this society pretend to dispense.

And I'll save my rants and raves for stuff that actually matters.

- prosaic