Tablet Matketshare Numbers

[mammador]

and the only reason android tablets increased market share are the kindle fire and the nook which are mostly ereaders

This.

 

[Red Storm]

and the only reason android tablets increased market share are the kindle fire and the nook which are mostly ereaders

I don't understand this statement. You're saying the only reason Android's tablet market share increased is because of two Android tablets?

You know they are more than e-readers, so I don't know why you said that either.

 

[mammador]

The Galaxy Tab has been out for well over a year. And despite it being a capable device, it never got much market share. I would say prior to the release of the Kindle Fire, bar the Galaxy Tab Android tablets have been pretty weak.

 

[TheStu]

I don't understand this statement. You're saying the only reason Android's tablet market share increased is because of two Android tablets?

You know they are more than e-readers, so I don't know why you said that either.

I would say that a more accurate? statement would be that they are both marketed as e-readers and not necessarily tablets. They are tablets, and both marketing pages state that they are, heck it's even in the name on the Nook.

However, they are both part of a family of products that originally only consisted of phones. It would be like if the iPhone had been called the iPod Phone and people were surprised that the iPod Phone could browse the web.

I do wish that they (amazon and B&N) would release the sales numbers, also I fully expect that Apple is going to close the price gap, and I see 2 ways for them to do it;
1: Release Retina iPad 3, at same time release 7" iPad with iPad 2 guts and res (so 10" at 2048*1536, 7" at 1024*768")
2: Release Retina iPad 3, drop price on iPad 2 to $299 or $349

I think that Tim Cook was quoted as saying that they were not going to leave a price umbrella for people to exploit. That is why the iPhone 3GS is still on the market so they can say that they have an iPhone available for free with contract.

 

[jpiniero]

I'm also very curious how many of these Android tablets are Nook Tablets or Kindle Fire.

100% or close to it. I wouldn't really call them Android tablets though considering Google isn't getting a dime from them.

 

[theeedude]

100% or close to it. I wouldn't really call them Android tablets though considering Google isn't getting a dime from them.

They are still Android as far as app developers are concerned. So they do advance the Android ecosystem.

 

[Phynaz]

Wow, I am really surprised to see Android at almost 40%.

I'm not. It includes all those cheap sub $100 Chinese tablets. One of the guys at work bought some $80 POS just to have an Android device to hack around with.

 

[Pliablemoose]

The mistake many enthusiasts make is that if a tablet is popular on an enthusiasts forum, that the device is popular among the generic consumer, this forum is a subset of a subset of consumers.

 

[annomander]

I do wish that they (amazon and B&N) would release the sales numbers, also I fully expect that Apple is going to close the price gap, and I see 2 ways for them to do it;
1: Release Retina iPad 3, at same time release 7" iPad with iPad 2 guts and res (so 10" at 2048*1536, 7" at 1024*768")
2: Release Retina iPad 3, drop price on iPad 2 to $299 or $349

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Definitely 2, I don't think 1 is ever going to happen.

 

[Mopetar]

I'm not. It includes all those cheap sub $100 Chinese tablets. One of the guys at work bought some $80 POS just to have an Android device to hack around with.

I think it has more to do with the Kindle Fire and the new Nook tablet. I can't imagine that the majority of people are buying those cheap sub-$100 tablets.

 

[bearxor]

They are still Android as far as app developers are concerned. So they do advance the Android ecosystem.

I agree with you regarding the Nook. I don't agree regarding the Kindle. It's there to advance Amazon's ecosystem. I think it might be turn out to be a mistake on Google's part.

 

[Oyeve]

I agree with you regarding the Nook. I don't agree regarding the Kindle. It's there to advance Amazon's ecosystem. I think it might be turn out to be a mistake on Google's part.

How so?

 

[Phynaz]

I think it has more to do with the Kindle Fire and the new Nook tablet. I can't imagine that the majority of people are buying those cheap sub-$100 tablets.

Not in the US, sure. But consider the entire planet. China, India, South America etc. Really cheap Android products are most likely the top sellers there. A $500 iPad in India would be an ultra luxury device where the average income is $1,440 a person.

 

[theeedude]

I agree with you regarding the Nook. I don't agree regarding the Kindle. It's there to advance Amazon's ecosystem. I think it might be turn out to be a mistake on Google's part.

These are still Android apps.

 

[bearxor]

Yes, Kindle apps are still Android apps.

But the only way to get apps on your kindle, officially, anyways, is through Amazon's App Store. Not the Google Marketplace. This is how the vast majority of Kindle owners are going to get their apps. The Fire is Amazon's way of pushing their marketplace, their bookstore, their browser, their movies, tv shows and music. Google gets no cut of ay of this from my understanding.

While I was looking this up just make certain I hadn't missed something and the Google Marketplace was available on the Kindle, I saw this opinion piece titled "Google has an Amazon problem." I posted some choice quotes from what I quickly scanned in the first 1/3 of the piece.

http://money.msn.com/top-stocks/post.aspx?post=cd9ca6be-ba1f-4304-8b44-5fcc71e1c70f

Oh, there's going to be a battle, no doubt about it, but the first combat, this view says, will be between Amazon and Google (GOOG +2.09%). I know that Amazon's Kindle runs Google's Android operating system and that it's therefore logical to think of the two companies as allies.

It was certainly intended to work out that way, but Google isn't getting nearly the share of the tablet market for its apps that it thought it would from Amazon. And with other tablet hardware companies set to follow on Amazon’s model, it looks like Google will have to launch its own Android-based tablet or get less of this fast-growing market than it wants.

Here's the problem from Google’s point of view. Amazon has built the Kindle Fire on Google's Android operating system, but it skipped preloading Google applications such as Gmail and Google Maps.

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Amazon's Kindle uses (and tightly controls) its own app store instead of Google's Android Marketplace.

So at least I know I'm not the only person that feels this way. Google's disadvantage has always been it's ecosystem. Apple has one, Amazon has one. Google's done a really good job over the past two years of trying to put one together, but its like David going up against two Goliath's.

Barnes & Noble, OTOH, has no such established ecosystem and is probably why they left things like side loading apps without root available.

I really think the Kindle Fire will hurt Google more in the long run than help it in the tablet space. The Fire might bolster Android's marketplace numbers, but a lot of people, as evidenced even in this thread, aren't going to consider it a Android tablet.

 

[Mopetar]

Not in the US, sure. But consider the entire planet. China, India, South America etc. Really cheap Android products are most likely the top sellers there. A $500 iPad in India would be an ultra luxury device where the average income is $1,440 a person.

$100 is still a huge luxury at that income level. The people who are going to be buying tablets are most likely in the higher income levels.

Analysts are estimating that Amazon likely shipped at least 3 million Kindles, and some are saying as high as 5.5 million. B&N probably also moved a fairly large number of devices. I wouldn't be surprised if those two accounted for over 75% of the market, especially given that it was the holiday quarter and there's going to be a larger amount of sales in the U.S. and Europe because of Christmas purchases.

 

[Pliablemoose]

B&N has some seriously nice displays in their stores showcasing their tablets/colors, saw one last night, they must be selling fairly well...

 

[zerocool84]

B&N has some seriously nice displays in their stores showcasing their tablets/colors, saw one last night, they must be selling fairly well...

I went into a store and they even had a sells person at the display.