T-Mo's fate now rests with the government. DT agrees to let Sprint buy T-Mo.

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thank god. hope we can keep all 4 carriers competing against each other in the US.
 

lupi

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Not good for changing US celluar market. As the article mentions combined they control only a small fraction of the market compared to at&t and verizon. Tossing all of sprint numbers under a tmobile lead company would have greatly aided any such change of the landscape.
 

Roland00Address

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thank god. hope we can keep all 4 carriers competing against each other in the US.

Why Sprint is effectively not competing right now. An ascendant T-Mobile with enough capital to seriously expand would dramatically shape up the mobile industry and be good for customers.

Then again the opposite is just as likely to happen. Mix the T-Mobile and Sprint customers and get sprint in my t-mobile and turn the company into something slow as molasses.
 

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Why Sprint is effectively not competing right now. An ascendant T-Mobile with enough capital to seriously expand would dramatically shape up the mobile industry and be good for customers.

Then again the opposite is just as likely to happen. Mix the T-Mobile and Sprint customers and get sprint in my t-mobile and turn the company into something slow as molasses.
Didn't you see the second part of the news? Failmaster Hesse is out at Sprint. Meanwhile Iliad is still pursuing T-Mo with some help.
 

Roland00Address

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Didn't you see the second part of the news? Failmaster Hesse is out at Sprint. Meanwhile Iliad is still pursuing T-Mo with some help.

I know the current T-Mobile Ceo. I knew the departing Dan Hesse is not the right person to lead sprint.

I know NOTHING about Marcelo Claure, all I know is he has been in the telecommunication industry for 20 years. 18 years in a company called Brightstar he created (sells cell phone service oversea mainly in central and south america). 2 years ago Softbank acquired Brightstar.

Brightstar revenue is 10 billion, Sprint Revenue is 35 billion (3.5 times as much).

And all this about Marcelo Claure I found out today. Before today I would know nothing.

The current ceo may be great, he may be shitty, I do not know. All I know is if they kept Magenta's ceo and culture he is pushing and gave him lots of money it may succeed. Sprint may do the same thing, I honestly do not know. That said two companies pushing the same strategy at the same time means they are going to compete for the same customers.
 

Mopetar

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This should be squashed. We need more competition not less.

The problem is that competition naturally leads to some of the weaker competitors dying off. Starting a company is also incredibly expensive and there are a lot of other barriers to entry. For example, some cities are very strict about putting up additional towers which can make it a pain in the ass for some companies to even be competitive in all markets.

Never mind that the spectrum itself is a limited resource and there's only so much of it to go around. This problem could be solved to some degree by the government repurposing other parts of the wireless spectrum, but that has its own set of problems, like existing equipment that could cause interference.

Why does DT want to dump an ascendent T-Mobile still? Are they really not making them any money?

It really hasn't. Here's their financial data: http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/tmus/revenue-eps. Their EPS has never been particularly good, even when it was positive. DT paid something like $35 billion to buy what would become T-mobile and even in the AT&T deal, they weren't expecting to get more than $40 billion. It seems like the only thing propping up the stock price is the constant buyout rumors. They look like they might be able to eke out a small, consistent profit, but it's probably nowhere near as much as DT would like, so even if the company could make money, it's not as much as they believe they could make doing something else.
 

bearxor

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Spectrum. Dish has something like 50mhz of AWS spectrum. And I think they're preparing to bid in the 600mhz auction as well. That was the main advantage of Sprint acquiring TMo. Sprint has spectrum they don't know what to do with and that management clearly couldn't build out.

The second is the Ergen. He's not afraid to take risks and take risks to shake up an industry.

The wildcard here would be whether or not he would keep current TMo leadership. He may want to take over himself.

But its time for Dish Network to shit or get off the pot, spectrum-wise. They shouldn't be allowed to horde spectrum and not use it.
 

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But its time for Dish Network to shit or get off the pot, spectrum-wise. They shouldn't be allowed to horde spectrum and not use it.

I remember the rumors of Dish and Google starting a nation wide data network. How awesome that would be...
 

bearxor

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I remember the rumors of Dish and Google starting a nation wide data network. How awesome that would be...

I think it would be almost impossible to start up a wireless carrier these days, even with spectrum already in place. They'd have to commit to a decade or more of loss or consolidate their network to only major urban areas with roaming agreements to fill in gaps.

Buying TMo makes complete sense for Dish. You get a network that's already rolled put nationwide. You can add 50mhz more spectrum with some very simple retuning on existing cell sites. Your retail presence is already established. The more I think about it, the more it makes sense.

I think if they don't acquire TMo, they'll probably sell off AWS spectrum to Verizon.