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T-Mobile Uncarrier?

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Red Storm said:
T-Mobile really needs to improve their coverage. They're speeds are already good but their lack of coverage is the one and only reason why I can't even consider them.
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This is where a little tech info helps. Look at page 7 of this T-Mobile FCC document about the future 600Mhz spectrum auction: http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view?id=7022116151

Because Verizon and AT&T have almost all of the "Below 1Ghz" spectrum, it makes it far easier for them to build out rural networks. It's not that T-Mobile doesn't want to compete in those areas, but it would be too costly to do so with the AWS and 1900Mhz spectrum licenses they have. To cover the same area, they'd need 3x the number of towers!
 
dagamer34 said:
This is where a little tech info helps. Look at page 7 of this T-Mobile FCC document about the future 600Mhz spectrum auction: http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view?id=7022116151

Because Verizon and AT&T have almost all of the "Below 1Ghz" spectrum, it makes it far easier for them to build out rural networks. It's not that T-Mobile doesn't want to compete in those areas, but it would be too costly to do so with the AWS and 1900Mhz spectrum licenses they have. To cover the same area, they'd need 3x the number of towers!
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Oh I know it's costly and that's what limits them, but it is what it is.
 
Red Storm said:
Oh I know it's costly and that's what limits them, but it is what it is.
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One would hope with renewed interest in T-Mobile from Deutsche Telekom, they might actually pony up some cash to buy 10-20Mhz of the 120Mhz offered in the auction next year and might have it up and running in 2016 or so, right around the time most MetroPCS AWS licenses will be running LTE, giving them a great chance against the competition.
 
dagamer34 said:
One would hope with renewed interest in T-Mobile from Deutsche Telekom, they might actually pony up some cash to buy 10-20Mhz of the 120Mhz offered in the auction next year and might have it up and running in 2016 or so, right around the time most MetroPCS AWS licenses will be running LTE, giving them a great chance against the competition.
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I hope so, we need more players in the market. That's a long ways off though, I hope they can survive until then.
 
blairharrington said:
I don't agree. There is no indirect cost involved. The carrier makes their money from their service. The service you are contractually obligated to pay for or face a penalty.

Our plans otherwise would be $20 - $30 cheaper? What I'm paying for now is data. Essentially I now pay $30 more a month with a smartphone versus my feature phone back in 2007. That amounts to a dollar a day to have the luxury of browsing the web on my phone. That seems fair to me.

It's not about carriers having me or anybody thinking a certain way. Data costs the carriers money to provide such a service. The only reason unlocked phones are so expensive is directly correlated with the prices that carriers pay the OEM's to provide the phones to consumer in the first place.

If anybody wants to debate this with me, you can reach me via DM. I already stated earlier that I have no desire to continue in this thread. Nothing I've stated prior is incorrect. To the people insulting me for no reason, you are fucking pathetic. Come at me in private or fuck off entirely.
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haha. this guy thinks that carriers make no money off of subsidizing phones. oh what great comedy.

subsidy + 2 year overpriced contract = $$$$$$$

source: one of our clients is verizon.
 
Can't we all agree that T-Mobile made a business move that really benefits the consumer? They essentially separated the plan from the phone, putting them into 2 price brackets allowing them to be payed individually. This is an amazing move that other carriers really should consider doing.

Also talk about T-Mobile failing is crap and isn't going to happen. If anything T-Mobile is booming right now.

Also Spectrum talk can be applied to every carrier. It's obvious that one would go with a carrier with the best reception in their area, stop using it as an excuse to bash T-Mobile.
 
Red Storm said:
I hope so, we need more players in the market. That's a long ways off though, I hope they can survive until then.
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Well, keep in mind that T-Mobile has always been profitable, despite being in "4th place". Sprint on the other hand... has made some poor decisions.
 
dagamer34 said:
Well, keep in mind that T-Mobile has always been profitable, despite being in "4th place". Sprint on the other hand... has made some poor decisions.
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So true. I cant believe that not only Sprint is in turd place but that it still exists! I dumped them right after the Nextel fiasco.
 
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Oyeve said:
So true. I cant believe that not only Sprint is in second place but that it still exists! I dumped them right after the Nextel fiasco.
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Sprint is in 3rd place.

Verizon (115.78 million) > AT&T (107 million) >>>>> Sprint (55.6 million) > T-Mobile (34 million pre-merger, w/ MetroPCS post-merger +9.5 million = 43.5 million) in terms of number of subscribers.
 
dagamer34 said:
Sprint is in 3rd place.

Verizon (115.78 million) > AT&T (107 million) >>>>> Sprint (55.6 million) > T-Mobile (34 million pre-merger, w/ MetroPCS post-merger +9.5 million = 43.5 million) in terms of number of subscribers.
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Uh, yeah, I changed it. But thanks for the info. :sneaky:
 
jidery said:
Can't we all agree that T-Mobile made a business move that really benefits the consumer?
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Only in part. They also used this as an opportunity to kill their non-unlimited talk/text options. So those are bundled in even for the vast majority of us who don't need that any more.
 
s44 said:
Only in part. They also used this as an opportunity to kill their non-unlimited talk/text options. So those are bundled in even for the vast majority of us who don't need that any more.
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True, but the market is really moving in a direction where its expected to have talk/text/data. The only people who really get shafted here are people who only use talk.
 
jidery said:
True, but the market is really moving in a direction where its expected to have talk/text/data. The only people who really get shafted here are people who only use talk.
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I agree, as at least in TMo's case. I would speculate though those who use voice only would benefit more by getting on an MVNO plan.
 
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