T-Mobile identifies and targets 'data hogs'

[openwheel]

where

http://www.t-mobile.com/templates/popup.aspx?PAsset=Ftr_Ftr_TermsAndConditions

where does it explicitly even mention torrents.

18. * Misuse of Service or Device. By activating or renewing Service with T-Mobile, you agree that you do so because you want Service from T-Mobile and not for any other purposes. You agree not to misuse the Service or Device, including but not limited to: (a) reselling or rebilling our Service; (b) using the Service or Device to engage in unlawful activity, or in conduct that adversely affects our customers, employees, business, or any other person(s), or that interferes with our operations, network, reputation, or ability to provide quality service, including, but not limited to, the generation or dissemination of viruses, malware or “denial of service” attacks; (c) using the Service as a substitute or backup for private lines or dedicated data connections; (d) tampering with or modifying your T-Mobile Device; (e) "spamming" or engaging in other abusive or unsolicited communications, or any other mass, automated voice or data communication for commercial or marketing purposes; (f) reselling T-Mobile Devices for profit, or tampering with, reprogramming or altering T-Mobile Devices for the purpose of reselling the T-Mobile Device; (g) using the Service in connection with server devices or host computer applications, including continuous Web camera posts or broadcasts, automatic data feeds, automated machine-to-machine connections or peer-to-peer (P2P) file-sharing applications that are broadcast to multiple servers or recipients, “bots” or similar routines that could disrupt net user groups or email use by others or other applications that denigrate network capacity or functionality; (h) accessing, or attempting to access without authority, the information, accounts or devices of others, or penetrate, or attempt to penetrate, T-Mobile’s or another entity’s network or systems; (i) running software or other devices that maintain continuously active Internet connections when a computer’s connection would otherwise be idle, or “keep alive” functions (e.g. using a Data Plan for Web broadcasting, operating servers, telemetry devices and/or supervisory control and data acquisition devices); or (j) assisting or facilitating anyone else in any of the above activities. Unless authorized by T-Mobile, you agree that you won't install, deploy, or use any regeneration equipment or similar mechanism (for example, a repeater or signal booster) to originate, amplify, enhance, retransmit or regenerate a transmitted RF signal and, unless authorized by T-Mobile, you agree that you will not use a telephone number on the T-Mobile network for any purpose but for access to the public switched telephone network. You agree that a violation of this section harms T-Mobile, which cannot be fully redressed by money damages, and that T-Mobile shall be entitled to immediate injunctive relief in addition to all other remedies available.

 

[JAG87]

GUYS GUYS, you are all missing the point here. TOCs are necessary so that marketing terms like "unlimited" can be used without harming the carrier, and a whole bunch of low IQ consumers can run to sign up for $100/month bills.

If you use a little bit of common sense you would realize that besides ethics, from a network standpoint it doesn't matter what the data traffic is being used for. And if it's being sold as unlimited, then IT MUST BE UNLIMITED. If it's unlimited up to X GB, then write that. Saying it's unlimited but then throttling speed based on what you are doing is ridiculous. It's like buying a car and not being able to drive it as much as you want.

I hope that people just use an encrypted VPN and destroy the network anyways to teach them a lesson.

 

[paperwastage]

GUYS GUYS, you are all missing the point here. TOCs are necessary so that marketing terms like "unlimited" can be used without harming the carrier, and a whole bunch of low IQ consumers can run to sign up for $100/month bills.

If you use a little bit of common sense you would realize that besides ethics, from a network standpoint it doesn't matter what the data traffic is being used for. And if it's being sold as unlimited, then IT MUST BE UNLIMITED. If it's unlimited up to X GB, then write that. Saying it's unlimited but then throttling speed based on what you are doing is ridiculous. It's like buying a car and not being able to drive it as much as you want.

I hope that people just use an encrypted VPN and destroy the network anyways to teach them a lesson.

that's why we can't have nice things... because people abuse it

do you go to a buffet and stay for hours without leaving?

There is a moral line drawn here somewhere... I (along with some people) are fine with the moral line = unlimited "fair use" of a mobile network which has limitations, while people like you = oh, I'm following just the legal interpretation which says I can use everything, and I will, don't care about my neighbor

I guess you should should raise a fuss that TOC forbids running a server on your phone... You can claim that Unlimited = i use all the data I want, including running a server, but you and I know that this is probably stretching the limits of what a mobile user actually uses(moral line here)

(yeah, I know the other side of your argument would be: T-mobile shouldn't be advertising unlimited if it's not actually unlimited... I treat T-mobile's "unlimited" as unlimited fair use of a mobile network. don't know if a court would agree with such an interpretation though )

 

[lupi]

GUYS GUYS, you are all missing the point here. TOCs are necessary so that marketing terms like "unlimited" can be used without harming the carrier, and a whole bunch of low IQ consumers can run to sign up for $100/month bills.

If you use a little bit of common sense you would realize that besides ethics, from a network standpoint it doesn't matter what the data traffic is being used for. And if it's being sold as unlimited, then IT MUST BE UNLIMITED. If it's unlimited up to X GB, then write that. Saying it's unlimited but then throttling speed based on what you are doing is ridiculous. It's like buying a car and not being able to drive it as much as you want.

I hope that people just use an encrypted VPN and destroy the network anyways to teach them a lesson.

or they could just sell simple language services.

 

[JAG87]

that's why we can't have nice things... because people abuse it

do you go to a buffet and stay for hours without leaving?

There is a moral line drawn here somewhere... I (along with some people) are fine with the moral line = unlimited "fair use" of a mobile network which has limitations, while people like you = oh, I'm following just the legal interpretation which says I can use everything, and I will, don't care about my neighbor

I guess you should should raise a fuss that TOC forbids running a server on your phone... You can claim that Unlimited = i use all the data I want, including running a server, but you and I know that this is probably stretching the limits of what a mobile user actually uses(moral line here)

(yeah, I know the other side of your argument would be: T-mobile shouldn't be advertising unlimited if it's not actually unlimited... I treat T-mobile's "unlimited" as unlimited fair use of a mobile network. don't know if a court would agree with such an interpretation though )

You sir are [mistaken].

Carriers will gladly sell you a rocket stick or a rocket hub which use the exact same LTE network as your phone, and will gladly sell you as much data as you need.

We have whole job sites in my company where a DSL or cable line is not available, where Internet is provided by LTE rocket hubs, with multiple laptops connected. So why is data used that way alright, but it's all of a sudden unethical from a smartphone?

And also, if you want to talk about ethics, why do carriers sell GBs cheaper when it's for mobile internet data plan vs a smartphone dats plan?

Please. Stop [taking their arguments at face value].

Name calling is not allowed
-ViRGE

 

[master_shake_]

18. * Misuse of Service or Device. By activating or renewing Service with T-Mobile, you agree that you do so because you want Service from T-Mobile and not for any other purposes. You agree not to misuse the Service or Device, including but not limited to: (a) reselling or rebilling our Service; (b) using the Service or Device to engage in unlawful activity, or in conduct that adversely affects our customers, employees, business, or any other person(s), or that interferes with our operations, network, reputation, or ability to provide quality service, including, but not limited to, the generation or dissemination of viruses, malware or “denial of service” attacks; (c) using the Service as a substitute or backup for private lines or dedicated data connections; (d) tampering with or modifying your T-Mobile Device; (e) "spamming" or engaging in other abusive or unsolicited communications, or any other mass, automated voice or data communication for commercial or marketing purposes; (f) reselling T-Mobile Devices for profit, or tampering with, reprogramming or altering T-Mobile Devices for the purpose of reselling the T-Mobile Device; (g) using the Service in connection with server devices or host computer applications, including continuous Web camera posts or broadcasts, automatic data feeds, automated machine-to-machine connections or peer-to-peer (P2P) file-sharing applications that are broadcast to multiple servers or recipients, “bots” or similar routines that could disrupt net user groups or email use by others or other applications that denigrate network capacity or functionality; (h) accessing, or attempting to access without authority, the information, accounts or devices of others, or penetrate, or attempt to penetrate, T-Mobile’s or another entity’s network or systems; (i) running software or other devices that maintain continuously active Internet connections when a computer’s connection would otherwise be idle, or “keep alive” functions (e.g. using a Data Plan for Web broadcasting, operating servers, telemetry devices and/or supervisory control and data acquisition devices); or (j) assisting or facilitating anyone else in any of the above activities. Unless authorized by T-Mobile, you agree that you won't install, deploy, or use any regeneration equipment or similar mechanism (for example, a repeater or signal booster) to originate, amplify, enhance, retransmit or regenerate a transmitted RF signal and, unless authorized by T-Mobile, you agree that you will not use a telephone number on the T-Mobile network for any purpose but for access to the public switched telephone network. You agree that a violation of this section harms T-Mobile, which cannot be fully redressed by money damages, and that T-Mobile shall be entitled to immediate injunctive relief in addition to all other remedies available.

then i hope they are cracking down on people who tether to use skype.

 

[Red Storm]

It's like buying a car and not being able to drive it as much as you want.

You are free to buy a car and drive as much as you want, but there are places where you have to drive at a slower speed, and there are also places where you can't drive your call at all.

 

[cmdrdredd]

then i hope they are cracking down on people who tether to use skype.

You can skype on your phone. Don't gotta tether at all. Video eats a lot of data, if you're doing it often...like daily I don't know how many GB you would gobble up.

It's obvious some people are simply eating enough data through T-Mobile that they are doing something out of the norm.


I bet nobody here is using as much data as the ones identified by T-Mobile.

 

[corkyg]

You are free to buy a car and drive as much as you want, but there are places where you have to drive at a slower speed, and there are also places where you can't drive your call at all.

Great analogy - i.e., speed humps and bumps and restricted access areas.

 

[openwheel]

Now people are mixing cars with roads. Let's keep analogies straight.

Cars are like the phones you own. Spectrum is like the road/freeway.