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Your video card is AGP, it has it's own AGP slot! 😀

The P3V4X will take ANY Intel CPU made pretty much. There really is no limit. I you would have gotten the 600E (100 MHz fsb) and not the 600EB (133fsb), you could have clocked the 600E at 800 MHz by using 133 fsb....too bad. Right now I using the 750E and running it at 930MHz, works perfect. I've overclocked EVERY P3V4X based system I've built without problem. 😀
 
On the subject of why your new drivers weren't found by WIN, there are three possibilities:
1. perhaps you didnt tell install program were to find the drivers (browse=specify the path were you saved your drivers)
2. or the drivers are zipped and you forgot to unzzip them
3. or they may be in self extracting exe file in which case you need to cancell the WIN install program and than just doubleclick the ******.exe file of your driver.

 
thanks, badthad. How come u were able to overclock the 600E using fsb133 to 800mhz? I thought 600e could only use fsb100, isn't right? If u could do with it with 600E, why can't I overclock my 600EB with fsb133? Also, once u overclocked the CPU, the warranty is voided, right? Badthad, I read the manual of the P3V4X motherboard, it stated that the fastest speed of CPU could be built with this board is 933mhz.

Atastrumf, when I tried to install the VIA 4in1 driver, one box would pop out and saids, can't install setup or install filename contains folder information. Use actions/checkout instead.
What does it mean? Thanks.
 
I dont know about that error message you get when installing 4in1 drivers.
Maybe they are corrupt. Try Downloading them again.

As for your PIII 600 EB, the problem is your PIII is already overclocked at 4.5 x 133 Mhz = 600 MHz while PIII 600 E uses 100 MHz FSB (Front Side Bus)and 6X Multiplyer Factor 6 x 100 MHz = 600MHz. The Catch is you cant change the Multiplyer Factor but you can incease the FSB (through Programs like Soft FSB or through BIOS). That gives E version an advantage, since it can easyly be overclocked to 133 FSB thus giving it 6 x 133MHz = 800 MHz Speed.
You can increase The FSB even higher and reach even faster speeds, but stabilty could become a problem. Than you have to incerase the CPU voltage to increase stability, which can be dangerous. You have to do it slowly in very small increments (~ 0.05V) and provide good cooling and monitor Processor temperature with programs like Motherboard Monitor. You can try overclocking your CPU by increasing FSB, but it will soon get unstable at which point you will need to increase Voltage which is, as I said, potentially
Dangerous.

If you want to know more about overclocking go to:
www.overclockers.com
its a great site and even has advice for beginners. Very interesting Stuff. Just click here:

Overclocking
 
Joe - Do you know how to use Winzip? The VIA drivers come zipped and you have to extract ALL of the files to a folder. Once you have extracted them, browse to the folder and run the setup.exe file by double clicking. Shouldn't be a problem at all.

All of the Intel "E" series CPU's are designed for a 100 MHz FSB, however, that doesn't mean they won't run on a 133 MHz bus. 😀 If you do a bit of research, you will see Intel uses the EXACT same CPU core for a whole series of CPU's. All they do is set the clock multiplier and tell people what speed to run it at. That doesn't mean the chip won't run higher.

The P3V4X manual states 933MHz max because that was the latest CPU out when it was written. ALL mobo manufacturers have a BAD habit of doing this. In reality, they have to because they can't include specs, such as voltage, on CPU's that don't yet exist. I can 100% guarantee you that the P3V4X can take ANY P3 CPU Intel has made or will ever make.

BTW - Did the new vortex driver work???
 
thanks, atastrumf and badthad.

Atastrumf, I've already downloaded the 4in1 driver again, I tried to install it, but the same problem occurred, the message popped out again when I clicked on the setup.exe. According to what u said before, it seems like buying the 600E is a better deal. The reason I bought the 600EB when I was shopping components for my system, it's because it has a FSB133, which means it's faster than the other one. Guess I made the wrong choice.....what do u think of overclocking? Do u think it's worth/good idea doing it?

badthad, if 600E could be as fast as the 600EB, why would peole spend more money to buy the 600EB? Since u have built several systems with P3V4X already, did u overclock any of them?
I've installed the vortex driver already, but I haven't tried listening to online radio or audio CD yet while surfing the CD, so I don't know if it was the sound card which cause the crash, but one thing for sure is that the yellow exclamation mark(is it a warning sign?) is gone for good.

Slikkster told me that the most updated driver for the MX300 should be 2048, but what I saw under the multifunction-adapter is "Vortex AU8830 multifunction PCI platform, and under the sound, video and game controllers are "vortex AU8830 gameport interface", "vortex AU8830 MPU-401 interface", "vortex AU8830 PCI audio", "vortex AU8830 sound blaster pro emulation, I am not sure if this is the "2048" slikkster mentioned, slikkster if u by any chances read this message, please let me know, thanks.

 
Let me clarify...the 600EB IS faster than a 600E, it you run them at their intended clock/bus speeds. However, if you put in a 600E, then set the bus speed to 133, VIOLA, you now have a "free" 800EB cpu. 😀 I have overclocked EVERY system I've built with the P3V4X with 100% success.

Did you extract ALL of the zipped files from the 4in1 driver pack? All into their own folder?
 
Your particular PIII does not overclock wery well, since it is basicly already overclocked. But it is faster since it uses faster FSB, thats logical. But you can increse the FSB youself (its not Locked)and that is the vital piece of info that you were missing when you were buying the CPU.As badthat said 600E is basicly 800EB.
Ask badthad what FSB and what Voltage he is using and try it yorself. But Step by step (FSB in +5 MHz increments and Voltage + 0.05V). Little steps! I guess you could reach about 700MHz but at extreme FSBs. I'm not sure it's worth it.
My personal opinion : make your next CPU AMD Duron or Athlon.
 
thanks for the feedbacks, badthad and atastrumf.

Badthad, I got your point about the 600E becoming a 800EB. I went to one of the vendors in the Anandtech CPU price guide and I saw they are selling the 600E(slot 1,FSB 100)w/0 fan at a cheaper price than those(same speed) with a fan. I was wondering how much does a reliable or good fan cost? Is it hard to install a fan on the CPU(such as where to put it)? I have a old computer with CPU speed at 166mhz(bought long time ago), I am sure u know how slow a computer would be with a CPU like that, right? Do u think by any chance it could be overclocked? If not, suppose I have to upgrade it 600E, I will have to get a new motherboard too, right? Do u think the old case for 166 would have enough power to hold CPUs like 600E or 800EB(assuming I overclocked)?
I already extract the files in the VIA driver pack, I will install once I logged(the system won't allow me to do it while I am online with all these window applications). I will keep u inform. But I still have problem setting the video card driver, I have no setup icon to click on.

Atastrumf, can u tell me the difference between 600mhz and 800mhz in terms of speeds? I just want to know how much is the gap between those two. Is 800 consider a powerful system? May I ask u why do u think it's better for me to buy a AMD for my next computer? Thanks
 
The difference interms of preformance is preety much the same as the difference in MHz numbers. That would be about 30% increase. I'm not absolutely sure about that so I suggest you surf the net and find some comparisson tests. Shouldn't be too hard. As for AMD vs. Intel its well known that Athlon/Duron are far more advanced processors than Pentium III/Celeron II specially Celoron II which only good for typing. I've had Celeron II 633MHz
and now I have Duron 800 and the difference is like night and day and not 30%. The problem with AMD are
expensive motherboards but that is about to change. And that will be Intels DOOM i'm afraid. Intel leads AMD only because of previous good name and it's a bit higher stability, but its way behind it i terms of performance. A lot of things are happening like DDR, RAMBUS, P4, Palomino, New Chipsets, ... so its hard to say who will be on top, but I believe ADM has the upper hand here. So thats why you should make the switch to AMD. And they are running at 100 x 2 = 200 MHz FSB. Compare that to your 133MHz.
With new KT133a Chipset you can run them at 133x2=266 MHz. Enough to make you jellous.
I easily beat PIII 1GHz in memory benchmark in Sisift sandra 2001(a bencdmark program).
 
Joe - OK, your starting to wear me down dude. 😀 One thing at a time here. The goal is to get your current system crash-free.

You didn't get the new video driver installed? If there is no setup.exe file, then you have to add it in a fashion similar to what we did to add the generic PCI driver. Except, after you click CHANGE, press the HAVE DISK button. Then browse to the location where you unzipped the driver files and keep clicking OK until it's done.

RE-166 system. You cannot put a P3 nor even a P2 CPU in that system, impossible. If you want to upgrade it, visit Tom's Hardware, they have a special article on the front page for upgrading old systems. This is really your only option.

??? Is your system stable yet???
 
I am happy to announce a good news: " I think the constantly crashing of my PC has been solved." Thanks alot, badthad and atastrumf. I was listening to the online radio for almost three straight hours, it went very smooth without a problem, I even used the window media player to watch some music streaming radio, it didn't get crash either. 🙂 I already installed the new VIA 4in1 driver, I was wondering is there a way to double check whether or not it has been successfuly installed? But still I wasn't able to install the video card, I tried what u told me, desktop>properties>.......have disk, and then browsed to the folder where I extracted the file, but then the system tells me "that the current driver maybe a more closer match for my hardware device than the one I have selected, are u sure u want to use it new driver?" what should I do. I already extracted the new video driver before the "desktop>properties....."

sorry, badthad. I didn't mean to wear u down, 🙂 I was too eager to get rid of the 166 and upgrade it to something faster, I don't want to just throw it away, it's wasting money, u know. 🙂

atastrumf, I was wondering, AMD system can run all the programs as well as it was on intel systems, right? I don't really know the comparison between the athlon 900 and PIII 900, which one do u think is faster?

P.S. so after all the analysis, we can finally say it was the sound card caused the crash of the computer, right? badthad and atastrumf, can u tell me just what does the sound card have to do with crashing the pc? I just want to learn through it, thanks, 🙂

 
When you compare PIII and Athlon at the same fequency sometimes one sometimes the other will come out on top, depending on what it had to do. As I said before surf around. there are many great sites that offer a lot of very useful info. The best search engine is Google at www.google.com go there type in what you want to now and it will find it for you. It's that simple.
 
Make 100% sure you have the correct driver downloaded! Did you download it from nvidia.com? If you have the newest driver from nvidia 100% 4 sure, ignore the message from windows and continue. Then again, if the system is working to your satisfaction finally, leave it alone! "If it ain't broke, don't fix it"..LOL. This definately holds true for PC's. As long as everything is fine, you're better off not trying to update drivers. I've seen people create problems for themselves doing this...and I'm just as guilty, LOL.

Glad to hear your system is finally stable. Why did the old sound driver crash the system? ...well, that can be VERY complex and it's really not worth know the nitty gritty details. I've seen technical explainations of issues like this and they are beyond 99.99999% of people, including myself.

Why are you considering an Athlon system? You have a great PC now, good enough to last a few years! Stick with it. 😀

BTW- Did you click on my profile icon and rate me yet?
 
thanks for the information, atastrumf. I will check out the google site for some more information.

Badthad, I am sure I did download the new driver from Nvidia.com. Yeah, like u said before, I am not sure if I should try updating the driver as the system is pretty stable now, but on the other hand, who wouldn't want to make their video card 20% more powerful by just updating the driver, right? 🙂 Hey, badthad u think a PIII 600mhz PC is a great pc and good enough to last a few more years? are u sure about that? 🙂



I tried to rate u, but I am not sure which one is the highest rate and which is the lowest rate.
Is it 1 the lowest and 10 the highest? 🙂



 
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