It is sad, but the possibility of other countries could be pull into war was a consideration prior to the campaign. This war is politically detrimental to the US administration for years to come.
It is sad, but the possibility of other countries could be pull into war was a consideration prior to the campaign. This war is politically detrimental to the US administration for years to come.
This is not a suprise. At least it shouldn't be. If the war planners didn't anticipate every single whacko from the middle east heading to Iraq for a chance to kill some Americans, they haven't learned any lessons in Vietnam or the Russian involvement in Afganistan and Chechnya.
Why would they all go in at once? It's not the guerilla/terrorist style. They are going to wait for the situation to simmer down a little bit, wait for the troops to settle into a routine, let their guards down a little. Maybe even wait for us to remove Saddam and the fighting to end. These people are not there to fight for Saddam, they are there to kill Americans.
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My dad was a submariner during WW2 and talked alot about it... He was very proud of his six years in the Navy. I grew up in NYC and was scared to death to walk from my flat to the academy where I went to school... then Viet Nam and my six years.. I was scared to death each moment I was there... I heard the screams of buddies near getting hit or the thud of a round impacting flesh and no scream just death... I don't know how the guys do it today... they go to war with an attitude that I am unfamiliar with perhaps it is what is needed to survive. My kids and grandkids only know of my horror regarding war and how I think every leader ought to spend time in war, if possible, in order to know what they send fellow citizens into, all be it well trained.
"Kill em all" is sick.... I'm not a brave person... maybe those who have those feelings can speak to the issue because they are... I don't know.
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And they would be doing that regardless of if we are at war with Iraq or not. I would much rather face them in a military sense than wait around for a typical terrorist style of attack to take place. Do you really think that in the end these "irregulars" will make much of a difference? They will not. The only reason they have been causing us bits of trouble now is because we chose to bypass their strongholds in our maneuver to get further North. This isn't anything new, it's call maneuver warfare. We did the same thing in Europe during WWII. You roll past these pockets to your main goal, then you allow the follow on troops to deal with the areas of resistance. So a few dozen or hundred extra people join in the battle. In the end all it does is causes us to use more ordinance. It will not change the outcome of the war.
I'm not talking nonsense, and as for me joining this war, it is likely that it would be over before I even got there.
If my country was in some desperate need for people I would sign up in an instant, however we are not, as such I will follow though my plan of finishing college and going through ROTC. I'm sure I'll be ready by the time we get around to dealing with North Korea, or helping to purge Columbia of leftist rebels.
My grandfather fought in Korea too.
Yes I can.
Well let me give you a clue since you seem to be acting ignorant at the moment.
The people who signed up for military service are there to fight all our enemies, both foreign and domestic. In the course of thier service they are given orders and missions to accomplish. Incase you didnt know one of the most important missions our forces currently have is the war against terror.
The more terrorists that we can kill the better, however it is a sad fact that we will loose people. I'm certain that the vast majority of those who signed up would much rather be fighting and killing those terrorists out there in the field of battle, even if it means risking thier own lives, rather than having said terrorists on the loose in the world where they could kill American civillians.
War is a game, the biggest game of them all, the game of life and the stakes are high, which is why we should play to win.
There is nothing wrong with me other than the fact that I can see past the cold hard reality of the world and see what needs to be done.
Better that our forces fight and kill these fundamentalists out there in Iraq, than to have those same fundamentalists in circulation posing a threat to our nation.
It will not change the outcome of removing Saddam eventually. Al Qaeda doesn't care much about Saddam. But if we stick around as an occupying force, they will be able to make a lot of trouble. We will be like Israelis in Palestine there.
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We each keep our own counsel and this is good. We each see the light of reality and this is good. We each strive to reach a point of equalibium with our thoughts and the world about us and this is good too. However, the light is sometimes hindered from reaching us by the density of the fog under which we labor and this is unfortunate. Our counsel is unknowingly subjected to the slant of the plank we strive to equalibriate and this too is unfortunate... What we have then is what we believe is reality and it is... But, each has a differn't reality and this is good. What is better is when our reality is reaffirmed by others. We are right to question our reality if only we see it...
Originally posted by: apoppin
The POINT is - this IS bad news and a horrible development for the coalition.
More "wackos" with guns that will certainly kill some of our troops.
And if Syria decides to "get involved" . . .
wow, you call muslim fighters "wackos". you are really not a racist :frown: it that the kind of people there in the US?
fyi: i am not a muslim nor am i an american! and I don't know why people like wars because I have been in one personnally. It's really horrible and terrifying. you say the war is justified. NO WAR CAN BE JUSTIFIED! KILLING INOCENT PEOPLE CAN"T BE JUSTIFIED! how will you feel if you were the one being bomb?
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Originally posted by: LP29
Originally posted by: apoppin
The POINT is - this IS bad news and a horrible development for the coalition.
More "wackos" with guns that will certainly kill some of our troops.
And if Syria decides to "get involved" . . .
wow, you call muslim fighters "wackos". you are really not a racist :frown: it that the kind of people there in the US?
fyi: i am not a muslim nor am i an american! and I don't know why people like wars because I have been in one personnally. It's really horrible and terrifying. you say the war is justified. NO WAR CAN BE JUSTIFIED! KILLING INOCENT PEOPLE CAN"T BE JUSTIFIED! how will you feel if you were the one being bomb?
In defense of the author's use of the term "wackos" I submit that it refers to the apparent mental defect of one performing unusual acts. In this case the term muslim should or could be replaced by the term enemy since not all Iraqians are the enemy or even muslim.
And we are not at war with Iraq... so I'm told... just some Iraqians who are wacko.
If no war can be justified then killing anyone cannot be justified if done under the cloak of war... But, what about defending oneself or retaliation for acts committed or to enforce the peace and future of the world?
I would classify islamic fundamentalists who are willing to suicide themselves just to kill Americans as wackos.
People dont like wars, but they are sometimes necessary, and despite the claims of some people, violence does solve some problems.
I disagree.
I disagree again. Murdering innocents can never be justified, however killing them can be.
It would suck if myself, my friends, and my family were the targets. Our whole country realizes this. This is the reason we do what we do. Better them than us.
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Originally posted by: LP29
Originally posted by: apoppin
The POINT is - this IS bad news and a horrible development for the coalition.
More "wackos" with guns that will certainly kill some of our troops.
And if Syria decides to "get involved" . . .
wow, you call muslim fighters "wackos". you are really not a racist :frown: it that the kind of people there in the US?
fyi: i am not a muslim nor am i an american! and I don't know why people like wars because I have been in one personnally. It's really horrible and terrifying. you say the war is justified. NO WAR CAN BE JUSTIFIED! KILLING INOCENT PEOPLE CAN"T BE JUSTIFIED! how will you feel if you were the one being bomb?
I call Islamofacists who view EVERYTHING through the DISTORTED view of religion-USA is Great Satan-911 was good for America-Allah helped the planes destroy the infidels -- BLAH BLAH <<<---- Those are WHACKOS .........................AND they are most likely the ones running across the border to protect the most evil dictator the Middle East has ever seen ...
apoppin
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Not MY use of the term "wacko" - I am QUOTING the toipc's title (which I notice many of you missed):<< SYRIA --> opens border so all muslimradicalwhackos can go FIGHT THE GREAT SATAN>>Originally posted by: HJD1
Originally posted by: LP29
Originally posted by: apoppin
The POINT is - this IS bad news and a horrible development for the coalition.
More "wackos" with guns that will certainly kill some of our troops.
And if Syria decides to "get involved" . . .
wow, you call muslim fighters "wackos". you are really not a racist :frown: it that the kind of people there in the US?
fyi: i am not a muslim nor am i an american! and I don't know why people like wars because I have been in one personnally. It's really horrible and terrifying. you say the war is justified. NO WAR CAN BE JUSTIFIED! KILLING INOCENT PEOPLE CAN"T BE JUSTIFIED! how will you feel if you were the one being bomb?
In defense of the author's use of the term "wackos" I submit that it refers to the apparent mental defect of one performing unusual acts. In this case the term muslim should or could be replaced by the term enemy since not all Iraqians are the enemy or even muslim.
And we are not at war with Iraq... so I'm told... just some Iraqians who are wacko.
If no war can be justified then killing anyone cannot be justified if done under the cloak of war... But, what about defending oneself or retaliation for acts committed or to enforce the peace and future of the world?
Read the damn context.
how the f..k can killing innocent civilians be justified? what would you say to a child who has lost his mother in an unjustified war. "child, you mother died for the good of humanity. and because it's better you mother to be killed than mine".
I don't believe in death penalty and abortion. but some countries approve of it. eg. US. the US say Saddam killed many innocent lives. which is really true. but the US also kills innocent lives of unborn babies thru abortion. it's really ironic isn't it.
Who says that were going to war with North Korea? I seriously that we are, but... it sounds like youe engaging in typical warmongering >> "purge Columbia from leftist rebels, dealing with North Korea" Why don't you just say >> lets kill everyone that doesn't live by American standards. C'mon that's what you really want to say, isn't it?
And anyway.. With regards to North Korea, if we can expect cooperation from China then we will be sadly mistaken. And don't be suprised that if we do attack North Korea, they will get support from China as well. North Korea is a whole nother animal. We don't need to go to North Korea, especially since the 2 super powers Russia and China are so close to that country. Let them deal with NK.
Yea I agree.. Here we have our President that has killed people thru the death penalty. And I bet a good portion were innocent. Texas has put to death more people when Bush was governor then any other state. And he claims to be a Christain! Ha! He's not a Christain and if their is a God President Bush will surely go to Hell!
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Ummmm....hmmm....Originally posted by: tec699
Yea I agree.. Here we have our President that has killed people thru the death penalty. And I bet a good portion were innocent. Texas has put to death more people when Bush was governor then any other state. And he claims to be a Christain! Ha! He's not a Christain and if their is a God President Bush will surely go to Hell!
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LunarRay
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In the context offered by the author it seems that the people he refers to display, at least on first blush, an ideosyncratic behaviour presumably the result of some undiagnosed psychological defect possibly brought on by acute radicalism inherent to the region and culture. If the same folks lived in Rome, Italy and acted in a similar fashion... I presume he would have used the term "catholic..."
I think it is not a culture thing... I remember "charlie" acted much the same in the days of "radicalcharliewackos" Or the folks who chained themselves to freight trains... or felled trees afloat on the snake river.
Ummmm....hmmm....
While I doubt if there are many innocent in the death sentence, I still don't think its morally right to kill anyone. God created us so he is the only ONE who can take lives.
How about the innocent unborn babies? They are still killed in the US.
Why would he go to hell?
Killing != a sin
Murder = a sin
Death Penalty != Murder
Death Penalty = Killing
Murder = unlawful killing
Death Penalty = lawful killing
A few people, but obviously no one in the administration has said anything officially about it, but I can see the writting on the wall.
Hell I was pretty shocked at how this war with Iraq too so many people by surprise, I saw this coming since 2000 when I voted for Bush.
Not at all. I dont want to kill everyone that doesnt live by American standards.
Infact I would like it if there were a larger disparity between our standards and the standards that other nations live by.
If these other nations didnt pose a likely threat to us then we wouldnt need to kill people in them.
As for Columbia I think thats more a humanitarian thing than anything else.
I mean cmon we have a civil war pretty much going on in our own hemisphere for some 30+ years. Isnt it about time we put an end to that crap? I mean cmon we even went and did Europe's fvcking job for them when we went and put an end to crap going on in the Balkins, but here in our own neck of the woods we havent really done enough.
When did I claim that we can expect cooperation from China?
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