[SyFy Friday] Killjoys Season 4 Starts July 20th

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ctbaars

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... okay, now I can watch the next set of shows! Relying on a DVR so much, I don't know shoes are actually on, lol
 

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This week on Sci-Fi Friday: Kidnapping - It Isn't Just for Kids Anymore

Dark Matter S03E08: Dark Matter has been uneven this season. While it's never terrible, its quality has pretty regularly wavered between mediocre and excellent. Thankfully, Dark Matter was in good form this week in what's ultimately a very unconventional bottle episode.

The Blink Drive continues to be the gift that keeps on giving. First it was Ryo after it, then the AU Raza crew, and now Ryo is back once more, in a very unconventional way. I had completely forgotten about the Transfer Transit pods they had in storage. That's a clever way to have the ship quietly invaded, and to get Ryo out there without creating an awkward situation where he escapes unharmed (he only makes it out of this one because there's no real point to offing his defeated clone). I am not sure where the found the clothes, though...

Meanwhile we get to meet another new Android personality this week, or rather the Android taken over by another personality. I'm a bit leery about the basis for how they got access to the Android - long distance hacking - but I can go with it for the sake of the story. It's a very weird setup; the actress has to pretend that she's a human pretending to be an Android, as opposed to what she usually does, which is being a human pretending to be an Android. So it's the Android, but it's not (particularly the casual cursing).

Ryo lost, again. And I don't see how it could go down any other way. He's emotional and short-sighted, and this keeps causing him to make mistakes. This time it was underestimating Five. Meanwhile we've found out just how bad his war is going: he's lost half of his space, and the rest of the League is pushing him to just stop while he's behind. Which of course he won't do, because he's Ryo. If Two doesn't kill him - and at this point she has every right to - then someone involved in his war will, if not one of his own people.

As for Six's B-plot, it was decent enough. He's still trying to get the colonies to band together, and I'm admittedly a bit lost on why they can't apply to the League of Autonomous Worlds right away. In any case, tying it to Ryo's quest is an interesting twist, if only because it doubles-down on Ryo's evilness. Not only did he invade the ship, but he managed to turn the colonies to his side, devastating Six's efforts. Which leaves me to wonder just what Six is going to do next, since playing statesman has thus far failed pretty badly for him. We've seen that he can broker deals when everyone is acting in good faith, but in the Dark Matter universe, few people actually seem to be doing so.

It also bears mentioning once again that Five is incredibly vicious when she wants to be. It's one thing to get the Android back, but to fry the mysterious hacker's brain so that he's trapped in his body, wowie.:eek: Vindictive is starting to become a good way to describe her.

Finally, there were a couple of action sequences that caught my eye. First, we got a real space battle for once, albeit a very short one. This season has not actually shown the Raza fighting much, so it's nice to see the old girl making things blow up (or at least back off, as the case may be). Also, that long, uncut fight scene between Two and Ryo was fantastic. I'm still trying to figure out what the catch was; uncut fights are very hard to do , which is why TV shows don't usually do them. I'm thinking they had to have done a cut at some point, right?

Killjoys S3E04: One of the greatest gags from season 2 of Killjoys is "Warlord Pree", where we found out that the unassuming bartender was in fact a rather significant criminal in a past life. So it brought a smile to my face that this episode was revisiting the concept.

The show hadn't really addressed Johnny's killing of Delle Seyah in the first few episodes, so it was high time for it to do so. And of course because it's the Princess Bitch herself, it has to be done in the most dramatic way possible. Even though the reveal that she put the warrant out herself didn't come until the end of the episode, it's in no way surprising. Even after being turned into a monster, it's good to see she's still partaking in her favorite hobbies.:p

If we had been taking bets on how the subject would have been addressed, I don't think I would have quite bet on this. She lived, obviously, so it stands to reason (and is indeed confirmed) that she was already Hullen when Johnny tried to kill her. But putting the entire RAC against Johnny it very much over the top. Though it has the benefit of forcing the team to get out in the world and meet new people.

And who do they meet? Well, warriors, I suppose. However I have to admit the Ferran look more like the cast of Vikings got lost on the way to their set and showed up somewhere else. I can buy that they're great warriors, but their entire setup seems surprisingly low-tech. More surprising still, this is where the "warlord" part of Warlord Pree came in.:eek: I had been expecting that was figurative, not literal.

But really, the whole trip was for knocking out multiple plot threads at once: finally revealing just what Pree did to become an infamous criminal, recruiting more people for Dutch's Army of the Living, and to fully hash things out between Dutch and Johnny. The latter bit is really helped by Truth Jakk and a kidnapping. It made for some good character moments, and the cinematography on the jakked-out Killjoys was equally well done.

Pree's situation meanwhile wasn't fantastic, but it was fitting. Finding out that he was in fact a warlord and why he left the life further fleshes out the character and justifies his badass credentials. Alas, Pree with (bad) hair doesn't work nearly as well, so it's best that he stays bald.

Meanwhile, I've come to the conclusion that D'avin has far too many lady problems. Zeph wants to turn him into a science experiment, Dutch can't decide if she wants to jump his bones, and after this episode I'm pretty sure Aneela wants to break all of his bones.:eek: In all seriousness it puts him in a precarious situation. Khlyen went through quite a lot of effort in season 2 to hide his existence, and now the Queen Bitch herself knows of him. Given his power over the plasma, he's the real threat to the Hullen, not Dutch, so he's the most in danger. Though it's entirely possible after electrocuting him and drugging him, Zeph may do the job first.:eek:

Speaking of which, the ongoing nerd fight is a little weird. I don't know if that's just meant to reinforce the now-resolved uneasiness between Johnny and the rest of the team, or if there's more to it than that. It just feels a little out of place? Though Zeph finally made some progress on what appears to be some human tissue, and I'm guessing next episode we'll find out just whose it is. (Aneela's, perhaps?)

Otherwise this season has a very strong overarching plot, and this episode keeps up the pace. Dutch continues to build up her forces and get the lay of the land, and now we're going to "take back the RAC", which besides the excellent alteration, sounds like fun.:p

Finally, this episode has cemented a couple of running gags for the series. The first is that this is the second time the show has played doo-wop music while two characters were kissing, which is wonderfully absurd. The second being that they brought back everyone' favorite meat head whipping boy, Gerad. After everything he tried to do in season 2, being Pree's bitch seems about right.:D
 
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ctbaars

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ViRGE, You are an amazing writer. Thank you for posting.
Saw Killjoys S3E04 not Dark Matter S03E08 yet. I found this to be a very soothing episode; relaxing to watch. I find the nerd fight a little forced by the outside dialogue and not by Johnny and Zeph themselves. That was human flesh in that ball? It looked more like sushi. The plot reinforced that Dutch and co and tremendously outnumbered and outgunned by the zombies. I mean Hullen. Whatever, same thing. And as you mentioned, the Ferran don't look like much.
Gerad was good, well structured comedy relief. Pree looked awful with hair. I hope they don't do that again. (You know they will). And in twist, Aneela is more of a main character than Dutch right now even though the camera generally follows Dutch. She is very attractive. Zeph has been in a million universes. I just can't place it. Time to go to IMDB.
Talk about universes. You think DM and KJ's will have a universe crossover show? I think the blink drive, green goo dream walking will make it possible ...
 

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You think DM and KJ's will have a universe crossover show?
No. They aren't produced by the same production company, owned by the same studio, or even filmed in the same city.
 

ctbaars

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Saw Dark Matter S03E08
Best episode. You summed it up really well. They seems to blur good and evil but just not enough for me. There needs to be a bridge back to Four in the fold. He is not a "bad guy".
There is a mystery on who the murderer is. To darken the series, I hope it was three or six. Two is too nice by necessity I think. To anchor the show/story I suppose.
The "Han Solo" sculpture has to stay. Good humor.
Sarah turned out to be helpful. I'm good with this.
Zoie Palmer is an outstanding actor. Well done.
Great fight scene for a TV show as you indicated.
 

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This week on Sci-Fi Friday: Holy Shit!

(I'm out of town, so this week is short and simple)

Dark Matter S03E09: The minute I knew this would be a time travel episode, I knew it would be kind of zany. And it did not disappoint! Goth Five, salaryman Six, bossy Android, all of it was great. I do feel that this episode's low budget was kind of a drag - it's kind of obvious they have little to work with when we never see props like the sheriff's car - but it still works. And I was not at all expecting that they'd meet the inventor of the Blink Drive hiding in the 21st century.

Better yet, they now have the best damn Blink Drive in the universe. Better not let Ryo know! :eek:

Killjoys S03E05: Dutch's war has gone hot. Or maybe that's description is better left for Aneela and Delle Seyah making out at the end... :eek:

This had to be something of a budget breaker for the show, but it was firing on all cylinders. A metric ton of action, plus plenty of intrigue when it all went south. I really think this is in the running for the best episode of the entire show thus far. It's all about the season arc, which isn't going to be everyone's cup of tea. But it was entertaining from start to end. And now we have to see how the story is going to handle this curveball, since it pretty much puts the kibosh on recruiting the other RACs.

Poor Fancy though. He's always been the series' butt monkey, and you have to love him for it. But he's been developed enough that you do genuinely feel bad for Turin doubting him.:(
 
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Just got done watching, think they both are top of the list for best yet. Android was a riot, do they even have flush toilets yet, lol.

And guess that puts an end to one syfy show cross over.
 

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DM - I thought the episode had some minor problems - like the kids always being exactly where they needed to be to develop the plot. This really should have been a 2 part episode. Everything folded together a bit too conveniently and tidily, which it had to give the time frame. But if they'd drawn it out I probably would have complained about that too.

Those issues aside, it really was a good episode. Android's deadpan delivery is nothing short of classic - much better than Data on TNG. And the contemporary setting made for some amusing moments. It was also nice to see a model of the Marauder. It was probably CGI but if so it was pretty good CGI. We don't really get enough good shots of the ships. I don't know why that is. There is enough detail in the models or rendering that they should get more face time.

Killjoys - Aneela seems to becoming influenced by her human side. Presumably this will somehow lead to her undoing so it will be interesting to see how they develop that.

I loved that they brought back the DNA blaster thingie. You knew that they had to have something like this to even up the odds but kudos to the writers for pulling out a device from a previous episode. It's always nice to see writers who manage to follow their own stories.

They seem to be setting D'av up to be an equal of Aneela. The head popping scenes for example. I wonder if they're going to have the two go head to head. They already teased that sort of interaction with the "meeting" of the two in the previous episode.

I didn't really get why Aneela destroyed the RAC ships. Does she know about the DNA blaster? Because if she doesn't you would think that she would want to preserve the remaining RAC Hullen.
 

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I didn't really get why Aneela destroyed the RAC ships. Does she know about the DNA blaster? Because if she doesn't you would think that she would want to preserve the remaining RAC Hullen.
She knew that Team Awesomeforce somehow had a way to defeat the Hullen even when ambushed (since Aneela's strike force never returned), and that the neighboring RACs in question were about to be turned as well. But no, it doesn't look like she know that they used the genetic bomb.
 
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Where did Five go after she blinked out? I mean, I know what they said, but, there would be two version of her now in the new time period, so, where did the other Five go?
 

lupi

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She went to the ship to set the engines then went back to the basement.
 

ctbaars

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Saw them both.
Thought DM is was much more entertaining than KJ's. The acting range on DM seems much better the KJ's at this time.
I'm wondering if the Alt DM'ers will offer a blink drive to Four!
 

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Wow great episode of DM. I noticed that they didn't actually show Mizaki die so I suppose we can expect to see her again, probably as the new head of a pared down Ishida. The suspense regarding Ryo was a little hokey but effective nevertheless.

The time travel episode seems to be paying dividends right away. Several of the predictions have already come true and there are several more that sound interesting. The "Black Ships" sounds especially intriguing. Who would have guessed that the fall of the House of Ishida would have happened so quickly.

One question I have is what happened to the Three that escaped with Two. Did Boone3 just drop her off with Ryo and then go back to his alien buddies? I'm assuming he was an alien and not Boone2 from the alternate universe. This is going to get very confusing soon.

I'm not sure how I feel about Killjoys. It's got a little bit of a soap opera flavor with the evil step mother played by The Lady and Dutch being Aneela's child. The stealing of the sonic . . . whatever seemed like a long and unnecessary detour from the story although it's always nice to see old characters be reintroduced into the story.

We've got another MacGuffin coming up in the next episode where they look for a way to kill Aneela w/o killing Dutch. My personal guess is that they just re-imprison her.
 

ctbaars

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I agree. DM had a great cohesive story. The camera purposely made a low shot where you can see her breathing while they walked out, so yes, she's alive. It would appear that the time jump was not very far into the future. The black ships might be the next episode. The only thing missing is the Androids black outfit and gadget looks.
Your one question is a good one! We don't know what that was.

KJ's getting the sonic was not planned really, I don't think. It was a, "hey, look at what I found". A bouncing first aid kit in the hallway thing. The story here is a bit choppy as I couldn't figure out who what and where and for what reason things were happening.
 
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Great DM again this week and great cliff hanger. Loved the space battle and sfx for the space-time anomaly. I have to say though that it's getting confusing with these multiple copies of characters. I can't tell if Two is really Two or an android built to look like Two. I'm guessing it's really her and she's just been possessed.

So one war is essentially over and the next one begins with operatives of the alien invaders in every corner of and every corporation in the galaxy. That's a pretty hefty story line to try to resolve so next season could be very good or very bad. It depends on how many shortcuts they have to take.

Killjoys - it looked like they were going with the 'imprison Aneela' plan for a while there but that went out the window. The death of the monk didn't seem to serve any purpose for the plot except to make us hate Aneela even more than we already did.

I'm a little fuzzy on exactly what the deal is with Delle Seyah and her pregnancy. Is the idea that D'av's special abilities make it possible for the Hullen to reproduce? And how exactly does that work? And if that's the case, then isn't D'av rather than Delle the ultimate bargaining chip in this scenario?
 
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Dark Matter canceled, killjoys renews for another 2 seasons :( I thought Dark matter was the better show, not so much forced humor. I guess exposing the androids breast for ratings, didn't work, it just turned me off. Not that I'm opposed to breast just that it was so obvious.

https://www.gateworld.net/news/2017/09/syfy-cancels-dark-matter-three-seasons/

Please androids don't care about cleavage, Data didn't dress in a thong. Anyway doesn't mater anymore, .I.. u SyFi channel.

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Came in here to report the same thing.

Who did what to who, when, where and why, how and with what? Thats how I analyze the show after watching the Killjoys. Does make you think.

Dark Matter does or now did the same thing.

Please, in future shows, no more time travel and identical twins/clones. Didnt like it on Star Trek, dont like it here. Worked better for Killjoys though IMHO.

Bottom line, liked both shows but KJ emerged as the better of the two. Sorry to see DM go.
 
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ViRGE

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Dark Matter canceled, killjoys renews for another 2 seasons :(
Aye. It's a bittersweet day. I'm very happy that Killjoys was renewed - and all the more so that it's getting 2 seasons so that it finishes with a proper 5 season run - however the fact that Dark Matter wasn't renewed alongside it stings. Unfortunately DM had the weaker ratings and it was a third-party production, which meant that SyFy wouldn't be as willing to renew it as Killjoys. They (NBC Universal) distribute Killjoys, so all the syndication deals that come from having 5 seasons will flow back into SyFy's pockets.

Admittedly, Killjoys was my more favored of the two shows, so if only one could get renewed, I am glad that it was Killjoys. Still, I'm going to miss Dark Matter, as it was enjoyable in its own right and went well together with Killjoys. In a better world, both of them would have finished their 5 year runs together. (In the meantime, someone needs to cast Jodelle Ferland in another sci-fi role, stat!)

As for the Killjoys season finale, now that was a hoot! The Last Supper, weddings, nerd sex, and a really damn good twin fight. They definitely went out on a high note for this season. I just wish the seasons were longer than 10 episodes. 10 years ago, this would have been the first half of a season.:|

On a side note, both Hannah John-Kamen and Mayko Nguyen have really become breakout actresses this year. John-Kamen has landed multiple high-profile film roles, and Nguyen is just killing it this season as a regular recurring character. "Oh, you need to kill me again, please."
 

Charmonium

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I liked DM more than KJ. That really sucks. They renew something like Wynnona Earp but not DM? That's some bulls*** right there. I do sort of like Wynnona but come on. If it were a choice between the 2 it's no contest.

I had a problem with the finale. Where they're melting into the green, then the spiders come out. That didn't make any sense. The Lady could manifest herself as spiders but not as human? And why was she able to do it just then rather than any time before that?

Other than that it was a solid episode. Some of the jokes were a bit forced, enough so that I noticed. It was good to see Khylen again though. The Green Space is an interesting device for bringing characters back from the dead.
 

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I had a problem with the finale. Where they're melting into the green, then the spiders come out. That didn't make any sense. The Lady could manifest herself as spiders but not as human? And why was she able to do it just then rather than any time before that?
So what we know about The Lady is that she's trapped. She's some kind of consciousness in The Green, but she can't get out to manifest herself in the real world. Whether this is a natural occurrence or if she was somehow imprisoned in there has not (yet) been clarified.

Meanwhile there was a throwaway line in the episode about Aneela and Dutch's trip having "weakened something", leading to The Lady trying to get out. So yes, she (at least temporarily) became strong enough to manifest spiders, but not her full human form.
 
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Charmonium

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Thanks. I think they're asking the audience to infer a bit much. But maybe I'm just thick.
 

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Too bad about DM, I really enjoyed the first season. I started watching the second season but fell behind and then the stupid Syfy app only had the last couple episodes. So once i fell behind I stopped. I'm sure I wasn't the only one, their own fault ratings dropped.
 

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DM had schedule for fail - one episode at 8PM, no reruns during same night. So you get one shot to watch it on TV (unless you record it). I've watched each episode on their app.