Switch from Vonage to Skype for home line?

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tefleming

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Fring is pretty nice on the iPhone.

Looks like you're going to have drop better part of $200 upfront (to get skype-compatible equipment) if you need multiple phones. If you needed just one, you could get one of the $130 wifi skype phones.
 

funboy6942

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If you go with skype, be sure not to buy a phone, but get a PSP for around $150~, then you can do skype, and everything else like GPS, pictures, and etc.

I sold my phone to put towards getting a PSP slim just to use skype on it, though I have a fat psp, I will just give one of my kids my old psp.

You can make a phone call no matter where your at, just as long as there is a internet connection you can make a call, which Im hoping to use many personal and business unsecured calls with it in place of having a cell phone with me everywhere. And we all know there are a ton of unsecured wifi places no matter where you go.

That to me will be wort the $60 a year I have to pay to ditch not only my home phone, but a cell phone too. Just need to put a old unused cell phone in my van if I need to make a 911 call for they are free on any cell phone activated or not.
 

aphex

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Originally posted by: funboy6942
If you go with skype, be sure not to buy a phone, but get a PSP for around $150~, then you can do skype, and everything else like GPS, pictures, and etc.

I sold my phone to put towards getting a PSP slim just to use skype on it, though I have a fat psp, I will just give one of my kids my old psp.

You can make a phone call no matter where your at, just as long as there is a internet connection you can make a call, which Im hoping to use many personal and business unsecured calls with it in place of having a cell phone with me everywhere. And we all know there are a ton of unsecured wifi places no matter where you go.

That to me will be wort the $60 a year I have to pay to ditch not only my home phone, but a cell phone too. Just need to put a old unused cell phone in my van if I need to make a 911 call for they are free on any cell phone activated or not.

Fring on my iPhone is free and can handle skype.
 

aphex

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Originally posted by: aphex
One last question - What happens if you have multiple devices on with the same name? Does it ring at all locations at once?

Ex/ If I have a skype home phone and i'm signed onto skype on my laptop as well at the same time.

Anyone?
 

aphex

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Originally posted by: aphex
Originally posted by: aphex
One last question - What happens if you have multiple devices on with the same name? Does it ring at all locations at once?

Ex/ If I have a skype home phone and i'm signed onto skype on my laptop as well at the same time.

Anyone?

One more time! And also, does anyone know if there is any delay when using skype?
 

HopJokey

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Originally posted by: aphex
Originally posted by: aphex
Originally posted by: aphex
One last question - What happens if you have multiple devices on with the same name? Does it ring at all locations at once?

Ex/ If I have a skype home phone and i'm signed onto skype on my laptop as well at the same time.

Anyone?

One more time! And also, does anyone know if there is any delay when using skype?

What do you mean by delay?

Also I will test out having two computers signed into Skype at once for you when I get home this afternoon and calling into my Skype number.
 

aphex

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Originally posted by: HopJokey
Originally posted by: aphex
Originally posted by: aphex
Originally posted by: aphex
One last question - What happens if you have multiple devices on with the same name? Does it ring at all locations at once?

Ex/ If I have a skype home phone and i'm signed onto skype on my laptop as well at the same time.

Anyone?

One more time! And also, does anyone know if there is any delay when using skype?

What do you mean by delay?

Also I will test out having two computers signed into Skype at once for you when I get home this afternoon and calling into my Skype number.

When I tried Skype using fring on my iPhone, there was a 2-3 second delay during the call (from when I would speak, till the other party could hear it)
 

Golgatha

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Originally posted by: aphex
I've been tossing around the idea of switching from Vonage to Skype for my home line for awhile now. Vonage has been very reliable for me in the 4-5 years i've had it, maybe 1 day of downtime ever which isn't bad at all. My issues with Vonage of late is the call quality, its just gone drastically downhill for me. The line sounds very static and sometimes even when the calls connect it takes 2-3 seconds before you can hear each other. I thought about getting a new vonage box, but I like the idea that skype can also work with me anywhere (my iPhone, my laptop, etc).

Right now, with taxes, we pay about $23-$25/mo for Vonage (500 min/mo plan with a moderate amount of calls to Costa Rica). That works out to about $288/yr.

Skype would be; $30/yr for unlimited calls, $30/yr for Skype-In (Online Number) = $60/yr total. Calls to Costa Rica are the same as vonage, $0.08/min, but our family down there has skype as well so it would be free. Only downside is that I would need to buy a new Skype compatible phone system and we would lose E911, though we would program the local emergency # into speed dial like we have with Vonage.

Opinions?


I got rid of an AT&T landline, once we got U-Verse IPTV/Internet, for Skype and haven't looked back. I run it 24/7 from an old laptop sitting in my entertainment center. My only issue with the Skype handsets is that the USB adapter installs its own sound driver and it takes over sound for the system. This isn't an issue for me because the laptop is basically an email, Internet, and Skype client running box. Now there are some Skype phones that have the Skype client running on the base station and don't require a computer at all.

As far as call quality, I haven't had any negative issue. The service has only gone down once in the year we've been using it exclusively (and probably for the total lifetime we've been using the service). Definitely much more reliable and better quality than most cell phones for sure. My wife and I have cell phones as backups for 911 calls.
 

Golgatha

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Originally posted by: aphex
Thanks everybody. My vonage sound quality has gone down the shitter even more these past few days.

One question - Does Skypeout support Caller-ID? (When I call someone via Skype, can they see my skype-in number?)

Yes and the feature is configurable from the Skype software. I actually leave it disabled because I don't like my number showing up on caller ID. Might start enabling it once my kids are old enough to start prank calling though :).
 

HopJokey

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Originally posted by: aphex
Originally posted by: HopJokey
Originally posted by: aphex
Originally posted by: aphex
Originally posted by: aphex
One last question - What happens if you have multiple devices on with the same name? Does it ring at all locations at once?

Ex/ If I have a skype home phone and i'm signed onto skype on my laptop as well at the same time.

Anyone?

One more time! And also, does anyone know if there is any delay when using skype?

What do you mean by delay?

Also I will test out having two computers signed into Skype at once for you when I get home this afternoon and calling into my Skype number.

When I tried Skype using fring on my iPhone, there was a 2-3 second delay during the call (from when I would speak, till the other party could hear it)

I just tested having my laptop and desktop signed into my Skype account and dialing in. Both locations "rang" at the exact same time.

As far as delay I never had any delay/sync issues. Maybe it has to do with the iPhone?
 

aphex

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Originally posted by: HopJokey
Originally posted by: aphex
Originally posted by: HopJokey
Originally posted by: aphex
Originally posted by: aphex
Originally posted by: aphex
One last question - What happens if you have multiple devices on with the same name? Does it ring at all locations at once?

Ex/ If I have a skype home phone and i'm signed onto skype on my laptop as well at the same time.

Anyone?

One more time! And also, does anyone know if there is any delay when using skype?

What do you mean by delay?

Also I will test out having two computers signed into Skype at once for you when I get home this afternoon and calling into my Skype number.

When I tried Skype using fring on my iPhone, there was a 2-3 second delay during the call (from when I would speak, till the other party could hear it)

I just tested having my laptop and desktop signed into my Skype account and dialing in. Both locations "rang" at the exact same time.

As far as delay I never had any delay/sync issues. Maybe it has to do with the iPhone?

Awesome! Thanks!
 

Pliablemoose

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Yep, no delay I've noticed...

I just renewed my Skypein & Skype Pro for another year. I'm shocked eBay hasn't completely hosed Skype yet, they seem to be doing a fine job running their core business into the ground.

I noticed that my Philips Skype phone is out of production & selling for 2X what I paid for it, am going to list mine on eBay & will likely use my Bluetooth earpiece, or an adapter or something.
 

randomlinh

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is there any hardware out there to stick skype inbetween the router and modem.. and be able to plug into the house phone wiring? Basically what other VOIP providers seem to have.

I'm entertaining the idea of either going to vonage or skype. no 911 scares me a bit, and I have not had good luck w/ QoS on the router, so I'd like whatever VOIP choice to take priority.
 

aphex

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Originally posted by: randomlinh
is there any hardware out there to stick skype inbetween the router and modem.. and be able to plug into the house phone wiring? Basically what other VOIP providers seem to have.

I'm entertaining the idea of either going to vonage or skype. no 911 scares me a bit, and I have not had good luck w/ QoS on the router, so I'd like whatever VOIP choice to take priority.

I've been trying to find the same thing, but as far as I can tell, ALL of them require a PC to be on all the time, or you have to get a Phone System that can work without a PC. But as for just a box without a PC, no luck thus far afaik.
 

randomlinh

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Originally posted by: aphex
Originally posted by: randomlinh
is there any hardware out there to stick skype inbetween the router and modem.. and be able to plug into the house phone wiring? Basically what other VOIP providers seem to have.

I'm entertaining the idea of either going to vonage or skype. no 911 scares me a bit, and I have not had good luck w/ QoS on the router, so I'd like whatever VOIP choice to take priority.

I've been trying to find the same thing, but as far as I can tell, ALL of them require a PC to be on all the time, or you have to get a Phone System that can work without a PC. But as for just a box without a PC, no luck thus far afaik.

damn, that kills it for me pretty much =(
 

kalrith

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Originally posted by: randomlinh
is there any hardware out there to stick skype inbetween the router and modem.. and be able to plug into the house phone wiring? Basically what other VOIP providers seem to have.

I'm entertaining the idea of either going to vonage or skype. no 911 scares me a bit, and I have not had good luck w/ QoS on the router, so I'd like whatever VOIP choice to take priority.

This is not possible with Skype, but it is possible with other companies such as the many betamax companies. The betamax companies basically work by paying a certain amount for 300 minutes/week of "free" call time for 3-4 months. You're charged extra for minutes over that amount. Most only offer 90 days of "free" call time, but voipbuster, voipstunt, and internetcalls offer 120 days for about $16, and that seems to be the best deal. As to how to get it to work without having a computer on, the following quote is from this post on Fatwallet:

Originally posted by: Nosh
This is getting OT but I have a piece of advice for people looking into getting VoIP. I never owned a MagicJack but I've been doing VoIP for a long time with various providers and equipment. In my experience, owning an open, SIP-standard device gives you immense freedom as you can hop providers freely and get the best deals out there. So here's what I recommend:

1. Get an UNLOCKED SIP adapter. I highly recommend Linksys PAP2 or PAP2T from Amazon. You recognize unlocked PAP devices by their -NA suffix (PAP2-NA or PAP2T-NA).

2. Shop around for VoIP providers. I have noticed that pay-as-you-go providers offer better deals than all-you-can-talk providers, by a huge margin. I currently recommend VoIP Stunt (300 free US minutes/week and only 1.6c/min afterwards) and Nonoh (200 free US minutes/week and 1.9c/min afterwards). The way both work is, you must pay 10 Euros (about $16 with fees and all) every 120 days to keep the free minutes going. Although Nonoh looks worse, it is of interest because it offers free calls to contries in Eastern Europe and Asia that usually are expensive. That money is not a subscription - it actually pays for your over-limit calls and it never expires. So you really get your money's worth. I have also used Callcentric and CallWithUs in the past. No complaints but the other two have better rates. Still all providers mentioned have great rates compared to any fixed-rate providers for any usual amount of talking. You'd have to talk a *ton* to get more mileage from an all-you-can-talk deal.

3. Install the VoIP adapter. It doesn't need a computer around and consumes little energy. Just plugs to your router and old phone. Then configure as instructed using your computer's browser (a one-time thing).

4. Talk til you drop.

I have over time looked into various alternatives - ooma, MagicJack, Vonage, you name it. None of these is economically more sensible and more time-proof than this simple combination: unlocked SIP adapter plus pay-as-you-go service.

I have a Palm LifeDrive that I'm going to use as my phone. For $20 I'll buy a program called Articulation that will put SIP protocol on my PDA and allow me to use it as my phone connected directly to my wireless router. This will allow me to switch to pay-as-you-go cell phones and save about $50/month.
 

aphex

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So I have to say, i'm not terribly impressed with Skype. Voice quality is good and the service sure is cheap, but the lag is just killing me. I have a fairly fast laptop (2.2ghz MacBook), 802.11n wifi, and a 15/2 cable internet. Even with everything seemingly at its top notch settings and nothing else using the network, there is a noticeable delay when I call any landline. Most of the time its at 1-2 seconds (still annoying, but usable), but at times it seems to stretch to 3-4 seconds making conversations very difficult.

Vonage has absolutely 0 delay in the 5 years i've been using it. It does have its issues as i mentioned in the OP - mainly call quality as of late (might be my box) and slow connections, but well, it was always transparent to the person I was calling. With skype, every single time I call someone they ask me if i'm somehow calling from somewhere odd. :(

I've thought about OOMA, but the questionable privacy doesn't bode well for me, not to mention no caller ID on the outgoing calls and who knows how long they will be around for. Maybe I just need a new vonage box and maybe a new phone system afterall. I really want Skype to work well, but I dunno.

I dunno, maybe an odd setting in my router somewhere.
 

KLin

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I'd blame it on the apple hardware. I have no problems with it using my Dell laptop. ;)
 

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Honestly, instead of trying to switch off of Vonage (which I have had the past 2 years and no issues whatsoever), try finding out the reason for the sound quality issues. If you have the v-portal from vonage, it has diagnostic tools you can run to try and test the quality. And from my experience, sound quality problems are a result of the internet connection, not the service. VOIP requires a low latency connection, any problems will cause sound quality issues. Router problems, bad modem, etc.
 

aphex

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Well now that's interesting. We just tried calling the family in Costa Rica with our Vonage line, horrible connection. We couldn't hear anything of what each other was saying. Tried calling back 3-4 times, no luck at all.

Decided to try Skype out (direct to the Costa Rica phone line), worked PERFECTLY. The line was crystal clear and the lag was almost non-existant.

Hrmph :(
 

HopJokey

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Weird, I get no delays using Skype. Of course I am connected via Ethernet cable to my router.
 

aphex

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Originally posted by: kevnich2
Honestly, instead of trying to switch off of Vonage (which I have had the past 2 years and no issues whatsoever), try finding out the reason for the sound quality issues. If you have the v-portal from vonage, it has diagnostic tools you can run to try and test the quality. And from my experience, sound quality problems are a result of the internet connection, not the service. VOIP requires a low latency connection, any problems will cause sound quality issues. Router problems, bad modem, etc.

I have the Linksys PAP2, though its about 5 years old now.

My line quality seems fine, low latency afaik -
http://www.dslreports.com/linequality/nil/2462129
 

Jeff7

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The lag I experience with Skype is no worse than I've seen with any cellphone. I find myself interrupting a lot when I'm on a cellphone, especially with another cellphone. The lag starts to get pretty bad then. It's already at least a half a second when calling to a landline.


Still, for the price per minute, Skype pays for itself with a single call home - which can usually last an hour or more, about once a month. A landline just isn't worth it for me.

 

aphex

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Ok, just got off the phone from a 45 minute phone call to vonage. We tried everything possible to get the static to go away to no avail.

He offered to send me a new V-Portal box for $30, but I would have to pay a disconnection fee if I still decided to leave within the first 12 months. Whereas if i leave right now, no fee.

Hrmph