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Swiss Mosque Site Tainted with Pig Parts

Nebor

Nebor

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http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/12/world/europe/switzerland-mosque/index.html

It's pretty despicable that someone would attempt to use these peaceful people's beliefs against them. As the article states, Islamophobia has been sweeping across Europe, with the restrictions of what clothing Muslims can wear in France, and the banning of new minaret construction in Switzerland. How can Western Europe claim to bring freedom and tolerance to Libya and other places when they can't even practice it at home?
 
Non-muslims place pig parts at a mosque to express their bigotry, muslims behead infidels and blow shit up to express theirs. :hmm:
 
Nebor said:
http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/12/world/europe/switzerland-mosque/index.html

It's pretty despicable that someone would attempt to use these peaceful people's beliefs against them. As the article states, Islamophobia has been sweeping across Europe, with the restrictions of what clothing Muslims can wear in France, and the banning of new minaret construction in Switzerland. How can Western Europe claim to bring freedom and tolerance to Libya and other places when they can't even practice it at home?
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So if the Europeans should tolerate Muslim practices that include intolerance of other religions and abuse of women, shouldn't that mean you should tolerate the European practices that include intolerance of Islam and abuse of minorities?

More seriously, why is it unreasonable for a country to want to preserve its identity with the kinds of laws that are being passed? Why would Muslims (or anyone else for that matter) have the expectation that they can migrate anywhere in the world and not change at all? They already have dozens of Muslim countries to live in. It's about as ridiculous as an American expecting that he can migrate to the muslim middle-east and insist that he and his wife be allowed to walk around in bikinis.
 
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Nebor said:
http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/12/world/europe/switzerland-mosque/index.html

It's pretty despicable that someone would attempt to use these peaceful people's beliefs against them. As the article states, Islamophobia has been sweeping across Europe, with the restrictions of what clothing Muslims can wear in France, and the banning of new minaret construction in Switzerland. How can Western Europe claim to bring freedom and tolerance to Libya and other places when they can't even practice it at home?
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You're a sociopath much of the time and then you turn around and post something completely at odds with your other posts. Good post here for a change.
 
Infohawk said:
So if the Europeans should tolerate Muslim practices that include intolerance of other religions and abuse of women, shouldn't that mean you should tolerate the European practices that include intolerance of Islam and abuse of minorities?

More seriously, why is it unreasonable for a country to want to preserve its identity with the kinds of laws that are being passed? Why would Muslims (or anyone else for that matter) have the expectation that they can migrate anywhere in the world and not change at all? They already have dozens of Muslim countries to live in. It's about as ridiculous as an American expecting that he can migrate to the muslim middle-east and insist that he and his wife be allowed to walk around in bikinis.
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Because the Western world in general is about freedom, tolerance and inclusion. So if we're going to be for those things, we should be for them...and if we're not, we should shut up about it.
 
Rainsford said:
Because the Western world in general is about freedom, tolerance and inclusion.So if we're going to be for those things, we should be for them...and if we're not, we should shut up about it.
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You cannot embrace the opposite of your ideals in their own name. Lest you invite oppression, intolerance and exclusion.
 
Jaskalas said:
You cannot embrace the opposite of your ideals in their own name. Lest you invite oppression, intolerance and exclusion.
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No, you really do. That's why we don't ban the KKK or the Westboro Baptist assholes. As long as the intolerance we tolerate is otherwise within our laws (as in, limited to speech and other legally protected things), we can't outlaw it if we want to really be a society of tolerance and inclusion. I don't disagree that it would be nice if our tolerance only extended to nice ideologies, but who draws the line?

Besides, the issue I'm responding to is the movement to ban Islam from Western countries, which is far more restrictive than just refusing to tolerate extremism.
 
The problem is the European nations, they want to live a hedonistic lifestyle have few children yet have the immigrants do all the heavy lifting.

What they have come to or are coming to realize is that the immigrants who ,many are Islamic, don't share the same values and aren't going to change any time soon plus they have many children.

Instead of nipping it in the bud by defending secular principles like freedom of speech, women's rights, gay rights, separation of religion from state, etc. early on they excused many of their practices under multiculturalism until it starts hitting home.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-set-Sharia-law-zones-UK-cities.html#comments



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5CZ_AVyRzg

So you end up with extreme actions like banning minarets or head scarves or worse.
 
Rainsford said:
Because the Western world in general is about freedom, tolerance and inclusion. So if we're going to be for those things, we should be for them...and if we're not, we should shut up about it.
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It's easy to sound high and might by saying freedom, tolerance and inclusion but all those have always had limits. I don't think it's at all unreasonable to not want your culture to be swamped out by a foreign one. The irony is that you're pushing your American values of extreme religious freedom on Europe. Many European countries are strongly secular to the detriment of religion. That's their culture. Tolerate it and adapt if you want to move there.
 
1prophet said:
The problem is the European nations, they want to live a hedonistic lifestyle have few children yet have the immigrants do all the heavy lifting.
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That is just silly. Europeans already have huge youth unemployment rates. They want their kids to have more work, not less. The low birth rates among is common among developed population. If the US population is growing, it isn't because of upper-middle-class whites are having a lot of kids.
 
Infohawk said:
It's easy to sound high and might by saying freedom, tolerance and inclusion but all those have always had limits. I don't think it's at all unreasonable to not want your culture to be swamped out by a foreign one. The irony is that you're pushing your American values of extreme religious freedom on Europe. Many European countries are strongly secular to the detriment of religion. That's their culture. Tolerate it and adapt if you want to move there.
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Good post :thumbsup:

Islam is incompatible with a free society as we know it, and Europe is coming to grips with that reality now. Unfortunately for them, they've allowed the problem to fester for too long and now it's going to be very difficult to deal with.

They should have made the rules clear from the start: you can come to live here, and you are free to practice your religion, but your right to your religion does not come at the expense of the existing secular rules of each country. Don't like it? Don't move there. Instead of clearly drawing that line, they "tolerated" religious intolerance in the name of multiculturalism, which put them in the position they are in now.
 
1prophet said:
The problem is the European nations, they want to live a hedonistic lifestyle have few children yet have the immigrants do all the heavy lifting.

What they have come to or are coming to realize is that the immigrants who ,many are Islamic, don't share the same values and aren't going to change any time soon plus they have many children.
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There are plenty of immigrants whose cultures and value systems are compatible with the European way of life. I know that in Switzerland for example there's a large community of immigrants from Sri Lanka, and they have integrated extremely well. The problem is that the West has become too despicably politically correct to admit that some immigrants are good whereas others (Muslims) they'd be better off without.
 
the horror... at least muslims in Switzerland can be thankful they are not treated the same way Christians are treated in the middle east and Africa by muslims. Me, I would prefer some asshat threw some pig intestines rather than a molotav or grenade while services were going on.
 
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