Swim Team Deaths

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theblackbox

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Originally posted by: digitalsnare
i guess grateful wasnt the right term, Im saying you should be grateful that you are actually alive

grateful we haven't commited suicide? thats not normal behaviour.if societal pressure pushes you to feel grateful your alive for the simple reason you haven't killed yourself, please seek help. priorities are out of order.

it is sad they died, but someone needs to look at the swim program and see where the issue lays. my guess is the coach and the pressure of being competitive.
 

paulney

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Originally posted by: digitalsnare
i guess grateful wasnt the right term, Im saying you should be grateful that you are actually alive

You probably meant 'sympathetic'. Sure, it's sad. But then, people around us day every day. People get cynical, especially on ATOT.
 

SuperTool

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Originally posted by: deathkoba
Originally posted by: OOBradm
Originally posted by: deathkoba
We had a skydiving team in our college and on one fairly warm day one of my buddies just bursted into flames in mid-air around 3000' MSL. He completely disintegrated in the flame by the time we all hit the ground. RIP champ.

wow are you serious? can skydiving cause that?

Yea, you're pretty much free falling into friction of air. If the temperature is hot enough you can burn up depending on the angle of attack, much like a space shuttle.

I call shens.
 

paulney

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Originally posted by: deathkoba
Originally posted by: OOBradm
Originally posted by: deathkoba
We had a skydiving team in our college and on one fairly warm day one of my buddies just bursted into flames in mid-air around 3000' MSL. He completely disintegrated in the flame by the time we all hit the ground. RIP champ.

wow are you serious? can skydiving cause that?

Yea, you're pretty much free falling into friction of air. If the temperature is hot enough you can burn up depending on the angle of attack, much like a space shuttle.


Hmmm.. Somehow I don't buy this. Your velocity should far greater than what you reach in free falling for friction to have that effect. Typical jump is 2-3 km above sea level. The temperatures are much lower there, and you don't reach the speed of a space capsule entering atmosphere.
 

dderidex

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Originally posted by: theblackbox
Originally posted by: digitalsnare
i guess grateful wasnt the right term, Im saying you should be grateful that you are actually alive

grateful we haven't commited suicide? thats not normal behaviour.if societal pressure pushes you to feel grateful your alive for the simple reason you haven't killed yourself, please seek help. priorities are out of order.

it is sad they died, but someone needs to look at the swim program and see where the issue lays. my guess is the coach and the pressure of being competitive.

Ding!

The winnAr is U!

This is just stupid, you don't have TWO suicides in one group of people and then just be grateful to be alive?! Suicide IS NOT NORMAL. Seek help buddy, seriously - the whole team should. Obviously, something is VERY WRONG.
 

theblackbox

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Originally posted by: deathkoba
Originally posted by: OOBradm
Originally posted by: deathkoba
We had a skydiving team in our college and on one fairly warm day one of my buddies just bursted into flames in mid-air around 3000' MSL. He completely disintegrated in the flame by the time we all hit the ground. RIP champ.

wow are you serious? can skydiving cause that?

Yea, you're pretty much free falling into friction of air. If the temperature is hot enough you can burn up depending on the angle of attack, much like a space shuttle.

gosh, they must have been going really fast to blow up like that...
how much faster then terminal velocity would you have to go to catch on fire?
an experience sky diver might reach 160mph+, and you might be able to manage 200mph +
i think the record for a freefall was 321mph.

even at that speed, it'd still be pretty tough to catch on fire under 10,000 ft i would think.
 

CubicZirconia

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Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: deathkoba
Originally posted by: OOBradm
Originally posted by: deathkoba
We had a skydiving team in our college and on one fairly warm day one of my buddies just bursted into flames in mid-air around 3000' MSL. He completely disintegrated in the flame by the time we all hit the ground. RIP champ.

wow are you serious? can skydiving cause that?

Yea, you're pretty much free falling into friction of air. If the temperature is hot enough you can burn up depending on the angle of attack, much like a space shuttle.

I call shens.

No sh!t sherlock, of course he's kidding.
 

Keyur

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This sounds a bit like Ordinary People. Maybe the suicides had to do with the accident?
 

tami

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i think the swim team should shut down for the rest of the year and everyone should give special attention to these troubled kids. obviously, they need counseling. apparently, those resources were not available previously (but i really hope they were) -- in any event, this is a cry for help and shouldn't be taken lightly. it was stupid to ignore (that's my gist) the team when the first death occurred, and even stupider after the second one occurred. whether or not these kids want it, each should be taken individually and talk with a counselor at length about their concerns so as to avoid another one of these meaningless deaths.

it's just sad. but obviously not enough preventative measures have been taken.
 

thirdlegstump

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Originally posted by: CubicZirconia
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: deathkoba
Originally posted by: OOBradm
Originally posted by: deathkoba
We had a skydiving team in our college and on one fairly warm day one of my buddies just bursted into flames in mid-air around 3000' MSL. He completely disintegrated in the flame by the time we all hit the ground. RIP champ.

wow are you serious? can skydiving cause that?

Yea, you're pretty much free falling into friction of air. If the temperature is hot enough you can burn up depending on the angle of attack, much like a space shuttle.

I call shens.

No sh!t sherlock, of course he's kidding.

I'm not kidding. Maybe it was another rare episode of spontaneous combustion at an oddball timing but it was for real.