Swiftech Storm OOS everywere?

TheRyuu

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I'm trying to get the Swiftech Storm CPU waterblock for my watercooling setup. However, it's OOS at both PTS and CrazyPC.

Were else can I look to get it? I'm new to watercooling but I know what to get and the Storm is one of the things I want.

So suggestions?
 

atybimf

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I heard they aren't going to be sold any more in favor of Swiftech's new Apogee. I loved the Storm too :(.
 

TrevorRC

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The Apogee is worse than the MCW6002, according to independent tests at XS.

Hoo-boy.
Maze4, perhaps?
eBay?
 

TheRyuu

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It doesn't say wether it's in stock or not, but I guess I might be able to purchase it from swiftech themselves.
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What do you think?

Or what about Silverprop Cyclone?
They make good GPU waterblock, what about their CPU one?
 

Painman

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Originally posted by: wizboy11
OR should I just get the Apogee

Good enough block to get started with, you can move to more exotic/expert level products as you get more experienced. Storm really shines with CPUs that have had their metal heatspreader torn off, that should say something about who that sort of block is really intended for.
 

TrevorRC

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Wouldn't touch the Apogee.

Did you not read my post?

Swiftech leaves metal shavings inside the block, which will eat the crap out've your pump; and it performs WORSE than the MCW6002 (which is its predecessor), the storm, the Maze4, etc..

Let me link you :]


CPU WaterBlocks

1. Swifteh Storm - 75USD - this is the top performing waterblock currently in retail. It is better suited to more powerful pumps, but still performs well with low flow/power pumps. Apparently the Storm is no longer dsicontinued, but it seems there are now large price hikes, and somewhat limited availability.
Due to repeated incidents in which the storm is improperly installed, please be advised that the proper way to install the tubing on the storm is as follows: inlet in the center and outlet towards the outer edge.

2. Swiftech MCW6002/6000 - 45USD - for low power/flow pumps these waterblocks are top performers.. with moderate restriction these waterblocks matched with low power pumps will net decent flow to allow usage of a second waterblock

3. Cooltechnica MP-05 - 50-65USD - a high restriction waterblock with excelent performance. while it does not outperform the Storm per pump power, its lower pricetag makes it an attractive choice.

4. Danger Den TDX - 52USD - while a good waterblock, it is not an optimum choice of waterblock for a high or low power pump system. I list it merely for completeness of the guide.

5. Danger Den RBX - 52USD - Again, a good waterblock, but not worth considering unless you have some desire for a 3 barb waterblock.

6. WhiteWater LE (all coper version) - 44USD - Origionaly designed by Cathar, this 3 barb waterblock performs well, but uses a dated design and is not optimal for maximum performance.

7. Swiftech Apogee - 45USD - The newest block from Swiftech that takes a step backwards in performance. It is essentially a MCW5000 respun with a new manufacturing process (cheaper), and new delrin top. While Swiftech says its the best thing since sliced bread and Television, please try to avoid it as EVERY other block on this list performs superior to the Apogee.
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tw33ter

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There's a thread over at XS, in the water cooling section where Gabe, from swiftech, says there's a rev.2 of the storm coming out in a few weeks. That's why they're sold out everywhere i imagine. I'll edit when i find that thread.

edit: found it :)
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=89745

Originally posted by: gabe
The improvement has to do with internal flow path, and is the result of a suggestion Stew made to me a few months ago. Pressure drop values should be incrementally improved. Overall behavior and flow characteristics of the product remain very similar.

We'll publish updated PD data on the site in a week or so.

Gabe

 

Painman

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Well, I went with Apogee + MCW60 (already got 'em, I'm looking at them). I had read the reviews and the chatter over at XS, the posts re: the problems and statements from Gabe, and I'm giving it the benefit of the doubt. It looks like a block that suits my (non-extreme) needs, and it certainly suited my budget.

Re: the shavings issue - Again, I've read through the threads at XS, and then some - Gabe (owner of Swiftech) stated that blocks are undergoing QC inspection to find/remove shavings and pin remnants. Product info now states that the blocks are being bead blasted to eliminate that specific problem. I opened up both my blocks to have a look - the Apogee block is from before the bead blasting was being done, but it appeared that the block had been cleaned up. Partial pins around the outside of the array that may have had the potential of working loose had been removed, the grooves in between the pins were quite clean. It looked pretty safe to me. The MCW60 (which is the same as the Apogee inside) had definitely been blasted. The pin array had a satiny luster to it as evidence, and it was 100% clean of any debris. So I think it's safe to say that Swiftech is doing what needs to be done here.

I'll report once I have the WC setup installed and running, and give comparisons vs. XP-120 on CPU and stock cooler on X1900XT. Unfortunately, I got an earlier revision backplate shipped with my MCW60 that isn't compatible with the rest of the current mounting hardware set, so I'm waiting for Swiftech to send me the right one. I called them earlier today (well, yesterday now) to report the problem. They owned up to the mistake and offered remedy w/o any hassle.

Interestingly enough, it was Gabe himself who handled my call. I got the issue addressed, and also spoke with him for 10-15 minutes re: all these other issues that are swirling around. They are all things that are up to Swiftech, in the end, to address, explain and resolve, but having myself worked for a manufacturing co. very similar to Swiftech insofar as being small, and very dependent on outside capacity to bring products to market in decent quantity, I have to confess a measure of empathy re: the recent rollouts and the problems they have had with them. They're learning, they seem to understand that they own any problems that come up, even when they're not under direct control, and I think they're taking the right steps to rectify problems.

Another thing I picked up from this converation is that Gabe doesn't seem to be very concerned that the Xtreme community doesn't like his new blocks. Most of the guys over there tear the IHS off of their chips to put them on water, and that's where impingement blocks, which the Storm is (and the Apogee isn't) tend to shine. He told me quite unambiguously that the Apogee isn't designed, tested and rated for such conditions, and it won't be, since he believes that the majority of WC users aren't running that way. So what I see is that this product lineup constitutes a movement away from the Xtreme type crowd, and there's maybe where a lot of the ire is coming from. If that is so, I can understand, though my sympathy meter is also pegged at zero. Businesses that don't try to grow, often shrivel up and die. You can call it selling out, or you can call it progress. Your choice.

So whether the block is great or a POS, that depends on your perspective I guess. Gabe is behind it 100% as a great performer and a great value for whom he considers most people currently in, or looking to become, part of the WC community. There was no mistaking that much. There are reviews out there to back up whichever position you want to back up, since they're all written from one or the other perspective.

As for me, again, I'll let you know how it compares to my air setup, for whatever it's worth. I won't deny that I'm leaning towards Swiftech's corner ATM, and I've given my reasons, but I'll let my results speak for themselves.