Sweden Tax Payers Fund Markanship Training for Refugees

[Nebor]

http://newobserveronline.com/sweden-state-funded-muslim-sniper-training/

The Swedes are literally running terrorist training camps now. They have totally lost it. Send in the Reaper drones and clean house.


Stop reading trash sites. Those aren't sniper rifles and that isn't sniper training.

Perknose
Forum Director

 

[kage69]

Wat.


That is...just...holy shit.


I love Swedish people, but this is stoutest of whiskeys, the nastiest of tangos, the sickest of foxtrots. Something tells me Lofven is going to catch another no confidence vote, and soon.

 

[LegendKiller]

lol - liberals.

 

[CitizenKain]

Weird how suddenly practice shooting is bad, but only when its brown people I guess. Also you people are stupid enough to believe its sniper training, but rightwingers generally are pretty stupid people.

 

[mysticjbyrd]

Weird how suddenly practice shooting is bad, but only when its brown people I guess. Also you people are stupid enough to believe its sniper training, but rightwingers generally are pretty stupid people.

In this situation, it's questionable at best.

 

[Perknose]

Like I said to you in your OP, stop reading trash sites. Those aren't sniper rifles and that isn't sniper training.

For some balance, here is a less than definitive but perhaps less hysterical view of guns in Sweden, from someone who lives there, which puts the trash article in the OP in better context:

I grew up learning to shoot a gun. I learned to shoot a rifle before I hit puberty and my father took me to the shooting range to try out some more powerful weapons when I was young. I learned to respect guns.

We did not, however, have guns in our house. There was no need.

Since moving to Sweden, I have had a little bit of encounter with gun culture here, mostly because of family and colleagues who are hunters. And I know they have an incredible respect for their guns.

This is what I have learned about Swedish gun laws. Please though, I am not a legal expert. Don’t take this as the final word. If I have gotten anything wrong, please let me know!

1) There are actually a lot of guns in Sweden, mostly because there is a lot of hunting. A hunter needs to pass a test or/and be the member of a shooting range for over 6 months to get a license to purchase weapons. Once they get the license they can purchase multiple weapons.

2) You cannot carry your gun around - only while you are hunting. I remember one colleague freaking out about what to do with a gun on the way home from a hunting trip while stopping at a grocery store. He removed a part of the gun that was essential for its function and took that part into the store while leaving the rest in the car – and was still not sure of the legality of this.

3) You keep your guns locked up. This is key. Your guns are not for protecting you, they are for hunting. You need to keep your guns locked away and the key not easy to get. People should not be able to access your guns.

4) If you shoot an intruder, you will go to jail. There are laws out there that limit the amount of force you can use. If the choice is between taking someone’s life and losing your TV, you will be punished for taking the life --- I could be wrong about this one, since I cannot seem to find the actual law on the books -- but I have heard a few examples of this.

I think the biggest difference between guns in the US and guns in Sweden is that guns here are not for self-defense. There are no conceal and carry laws.

 

[Strk]

Weird how suddenly practice shooting is bad, but only when its brown people I guess. Also you people are stupid enough to believe its sniper training, but rightwingers generally are pretty stupid people.

And yet they're the ones who are against any form of gun control whatsoever.

 

[MajinCry]

If the goal is integration, get 'em to stop committing taharrush, treating women as lesser creatures and treating non believers as evil infidels.

Once that's done, the rest is cake. But to teach 'em how to shoot without having complete success in the above...Aye, I can see why there are people getting angry about this. Fairly justified, too.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Like I said to you in your OP, stop reading trash sites. Those aren't sniper rifles and that isn't sniper training.

For some balance, here is a less than definitive but perhaps less hysterical view of guns in Sweden, from someone who lives there, which puts the trash article in the OP in better context:

Are you saying hunting rifles can't be used to snipe people? Or perhaps that practicing on the rifles in the OP wouldn't improve ones skill in sniping people? Because I think Chai Vang would disagree.

 

[brycejones]

lol - liberals.

lol, stupid scared people.

 

[Perknose]

Are you saying hunting rifles can't be used to snipe people? Or perhaps that practicing on the rifles in the OP wouldn't improve ones skill in sniping people? Because I think Chai Vang would disagree.

I'm saying exactly what I said. Those aren't sniper rifles and that isn't sniper training. Got that?

 

[KB]

Hah that article is some serious fear mongering. Snipers dont use 22s. Way too much bullet drop and too little energy. What they are learning is one half of a very popular norweigen olympic event.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biathlon

 

[Sonikku]

That website is as fair and balanced as Fox.

 

[Moonbeam]

If everybody in Sweden were armed, the government would never dare to train people to use guns. If Swedes knew how shoot and could own guns they wouldn't live under a dictatorship. They would be free to kill thousands of people every year. But then, what do you expect. How many Swedes drive Volvo pick up trucks.

 

[kage69]

I'm surprised to see this many people refuse to see the connection with practicing marksmanship, like it's some completely different discipline that couldn't be more removed from the goals of a combatant wanting to effectively use his or her rifle.

Yes, they're using .22s. And? That's what most riflemen start off with as a kid or amateur. Do you guys think the principles of Kentucky windage vary according to caliber? Is proper breathing/trigger control not used in infantry training?

Look, I'm on record as feeling a lot of this immigrant stuff is silly and/or uncalled for, but this is pretty stupid. You don't need to be a trained sniper to snipe at people at create terror, do I need to provide some Lee Boyd Malvo context to help anyone? He wasn't a trained sniper, he spent a few days shooting .22 diameter rounds at a stump...one of his victims dropped dead 4 blocks from my office.

Just seems like spending money to improve risk...

 

[kage69]

Hah that article is some serious fear mongering. Snipers dont use 22s. Way too much bullet drop and too little energy. What they are learning is one half of a very popular norweigen olympic event.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biathlon

Thank you Larry Vickers.

Not sure anyone suggested .22s were now the terrorist weapons of choice, but ok, whatever.

Let me try this another way. IN WW2, our sailors in the Pacific practiced anti-aircraft skills by shooting skeet with 12 gauge shotguns off the flat tops deck. Protip: let's all try not to fixate on the tools themselves, but rather on the training.

 

[Venix]

I'm saying exactly what I said. Those aren't sniper rifles and that isn't sniper training. Got that?

They're practicing sharpshooting with diopter-equipped .22 target rifles designed for biathlon. Those are not hunting rifles. "Sweden Tax Payers Fund Marksmanship Training for Refugees" would be an accurate description.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

I'm saying exactly what I said. Those aren't sniper rifles and that isn't sniper training. Got that?

Define "sniper rifle" and "sniper training".

EDIT: Also...

http://www.gunpolicy.org/documents/...t-rifles-kill-more-people-than-any-other/file

 

[JSt0rm]

markanship is my kink.

 

[arsjum]

That website is as fair and balanced as Fox.

Actually, that website makes Fox News look somewhat fair and balanced. In addition to being anti-immigrant and anti-Muslim, it is also a Neo-Nazi anti-Semitic outlet leveling charges against "World Jewry" which is allegedly welcoming these refugees to destroy white people's civilization.

 

[mysticjbyrd]

If the goal is integration, get 'em to stop committing taharrush, treating women as lesser creatures and treating non believers as evil infidels.

Once that's done, the rest is cake. But to teach 'em how to shoot without having complete success in the above...Aye, I can see why there are people getting angry about this. Fairly justified, too.

I imagine the idea was that they will really respect our tolerance if we give them gun lessons.

I don't fault the logic, but I seriously question the effectiveness over the other options they had available.

 

[shady28]

This is not a sniper rifle :

(22LR at 100 ft 0.1" group)

Nor is this :

Nor is this with a 17 HMR pistol at 25 yards :

Neither is this 0.36 group from a 17 HMR at 100 yards :

 

[BurnItDwn]

Hooray fear mongering!

 

[MongGrel]

Not sure really which way to go on this one.

Lets just say Marine bootcamp stressed marksmanship highly, and in the two weeks you used to spend at the range you spent the entire first week non stop learning to "snap in" and various things before you ever fired a round at all.

Even if you had been shooting all your life.

Marksmanship can apply to any rifle/pistol, depending on the training.

I'd still consider my .223 a candidate for sniper rifle, though usually they are higher caliber.

The old 9 MM Remington Magnum I had was much closer to actually being in that range.

Saying a .22 can't kill someone is just wrong, I'll let it lay there.

 

[nickqt]

lol - liberals.

lol - cowards