SweClockers: Geforce GTX 590 burns @ 772MHz & 1.025V

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Arkadrel

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No, from the same Review the HD6990@450W is not cooler than the GTX590. The core temps of the GF110 in the GTX590 are 80 and 84 degrees Celcium when HD6990@450W cores temp are at 96 Degrees C (Pic bellow)

GTX590 Core temps
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http://translate.google.gr/translat...r-nvidia-repond-amd-avec-geforce-gtx-590.html



Is it a coincidence, that the same area thats 112 C, on the 590, is the area that has components that seem to fail?

http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/2889/quemado.jpg
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/2055/sdsdu.jpg

there where more pictures, with the same area/components burning, but flickR and Photobucket have deleted them, or stopped them from being viewed/linked whatever.
 

railven

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@ railven

Just because a fan makes more noise doesn’t mean it always produces more air flow.
Since you don’t have the CFM numbers I will discard your theory until you can prove it (and be more polite).

I at least acknowledge the singular make or break in my argument. You started to use physics improperly to prove your point and when refutted you didn't even bother to acknowledge you made a mistake.

Your whole argument is based on a a blurb of blue in a screen shot. Here is a stronger argument you can use (which ties into Key's suggestionf or redoing the thermal shots, and I completely agree with him.)

What is the time frame of each screen shot? Is that given?

If the GTX 590's screen shot is taken 10 minutes into the card running on full load and the HD 6990 only 5 minutes, well that is a giant "WTF" that needs to be addressed. 10 minutes of heat being dumped into the case versus 5 minutes?

Also, in one of the pages of the article the authors post temperatures, oddly enough in every single catagory that mattered to this conversation/debate, the HD 6990 temps where higher, not lower. Which made me wonder why.

But, that wasn't my point to prove - it was yours.
 

AnandThenMan

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I think the thermal imaging should be redone by an independent third party.
While more tests would be interesting, they won't change the fact that components on the 590 are being pushed beyond spec and are exploding.

It certainly is no coincidence that the thermal images show the highest temps in the same area where we are seeing component failure.
 

Phynaz

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@ railven

Just because a fan makes more noise doesn’t mean it always produces more air flow.
Since you don’t have the CFM numbers I will discard your theory until you can prove it (and be more polite).

And yet you are arguing a theory you can't prove.
o_O
 

Seero

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HD6990
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GTX590
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And you aren't taking into consideration air flow. Here, I will again break your theory:

Through noise levels and linked Anandtech benches we can conclude:
A) the 6990 fan is more effective at cooling the GPUs, counter with bigger heat sinks or better air flow - one of the two must be true if not both
B) the 6990 fan produces more sound, through mechanics/design or through sheer effort, which of the two is the missing link to make my argument factual. Is it pushing more air because it is spinning faster as a result more noise? I don't know, and frankly I'm too lazy to look up the CFM numbers (if they've been documented.)

So, with that said, I'll argue that the 6990 is indeed moving more air. The force of the card relative to its length could easily force the hot air from the rear vent directly outside the case through the front.

The card is drawing in air faster thus it maintains a cooler ambient temperature below it as illustrated in both pictures, and of course the 450W is warmer due to more heat, but as Anandtech showed the fan also increases in speed and sound.


You've yet to provide any solid evidence of your theory except a small blurb of blue. Got any other scientific facts to misuse?
Railven, are you suggesting that 6990 has a special fan and heatsink combo that take in hot air and release cool air? Look at the temp of the air at intake and then look at the temp of the air below the front exhaust. If there are no additional air flow, heat should be transfered evenly to the bottom and top of the exhaust. Even if the exhaust is somehow rerouted to the top, it still doesn't explain why the bottom front case has a lower temp than the REST OF THE CASE!!!!
While more tests would be interesting, they won't change the fact that components on the 590 are being pushed beyond spec and are exploding.
That is indeed what I am trying to point out, that the temp taken of 590 is at the VRM, without an additional fan, while the temp of the 6990 is not taken at the VRM and there is an extra fan and the front bottom of the case. In fact, the author stated that there should be a fan as 6990 exhaust too much hot air into the HDD bay. The interesting thing is the author did not make the same statement on the 590.

Besides, if you have a video card and know that it vents air from both sides, will you block its air flow? In the setup of hardware.fr where the IR graphs are taken, clearly the cables are in the way of the front vent, meaning neither HS is working properly and will show higher temps than a case of enthusiast. Isn't it obvious that those cables should be very hot as the vent is blowing hot air directly at those cables? Why does cables of 6990 show cooler temp than its intake again? Doesn't cooler intake means better cooling to you?

It certainly is no coincidence that the thermal images show the highest temps in the same area where we are seeing component failure.
If those VRMs of 590 isn't really hotter, than there are no other indication that those VRMs will fail under normal usage. There is nothing wrong for VRM to operate at those temps, if it is over 120c, then there can be a problem. Techreport has done a IR test on the VRM and stated that it operates at 106c, which is nothing alarming. The usual Operating temp of VRM is 55c to 125c.
Wow, way to ignore all the points by various posters and related links only to pass your opinion as factual. Why not mention the improper use of a factual physics theory? It was stressed that it was fact, for reason, unfortunately facts only work when used in proper context.
You are probably a rocket scientist or some super smart person who have invented new hardwares to convert heat energy into electricity and release cool air out. I am not as smart as you. My knowledge tells me 3 things. One of them is heat transfer to its immediate environment until temperature evens out. The other, the way video card HS with a fan works is by sucking relatively cold air in, and vent hot air out. Third, google translate the sentence bolded in the following paragraph

Cette Radeon HD 6990 entraine des températures extrêmes en charge tant pour le CPU, que pour le chipset ou que pour le disque dur. Contrairement à ce qui se fait sur de nombreux systèmes, il sera préférable de placer un ventilateur en extraction à l’avant du boitier, de manière à éviter que l’air chaud expulsé par la Radeon HD 6990 ne monte dans le boîtier.

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/747-22/maj-dossier-cartes-graphiques-degagement-thermique.html

You are suggesting hot air in through 6990's special heatsink should result in cooler air with 6990's specially made fan. What can I say?
 

AnandThenMan

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The usual Operating temp of VRM is 55c to 125c.
Not sure of the actual spec, but if you see ~125 degree temps on a component and combine that with maximum current draw, that's when you will see outright failure. Max. spec'd heat+max current=up in smoke. The hotter the component gets, the higher the resistance goes, which means it has to sink more energy (there are variations of this, so let's not get hung up on semantics please).

But like I said, I find the thermal images interesting, but it doesn't mean all that much. What matters is the results we're seeing, the 590 clearly needs a beefier regulator section.
 

railven

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Railven, are you suggesting that 6990 has a special fan and heatsink combo that take in hot air and release cool air? Look at the temp of the air at intake and then look at the temp of the air below the front exhaust. If there are no additional air flow, heat should be transfered evenly to the bottom and top of the exhaust. Even if the exhaust is somehow rerouted to the top, it still doesn't explain why the bottom front case has a lower temp than the REST OF THE CASE!!!!

Last time I checked, hot air rises. I could be wrong. Maybe someone with a more practical understanding of thermodynamics can chime in.

Also, you ignore how close to the front of the case this behemoth of a card is. Is it impossible to accept that the hot air is actually being ejected from the case, and no I'm not stating all the hot air, through the front of the case?

Air in motion is cooled through movement and circulation. If I lock myself in a room with no windows and no entering air and turn on a fan with upwards suction guess what - objects below the fan would be cooler. This is basic understanding of airflow and circulation.

You are probably a rocket scientist or some super smart person who have invented new hardwares to convert heat energy into electricity and release cool air out. I am not as smart as you. My knowledge tells me 3 things. One of them is heat transfer to its immediate environment until temperature evens out. The other, the way video card HS with a fan works is by sucking relatively cold air in, and vent hot air out. Third, google translate the sentence bolded in the following paragraph



http://www.hardware.fr/articles/747-22/maj-dossier-cartes-graphiques-degagement-thermique.html

You are suggesting hot air in through 6990's special heatsink should result in cooler air with 6990's specially made fan. What can I say?

Hey, I never said I was smarter, I even present you guys with the flaws to my arguments. What kind of a person with intelligence tells their opponent how to defeat them?

Also, in that translation - it would be more supportive for Atenra's point if the authors said something along the lines of "like us" not just be a general suggestion.

Hey, you should use an A/C during the summer to stay cool. How does this imply that I use an A/C during the summer to stay cool? That statement doesn't elaborate on anything I do to stay cool. What do you guys think?
 

Seero

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Not sure of the actual spec, but if you see ~125 degree temps on a component and combine that with maximum current draw, that's when you will see outright failure. Max. spec'd heat+max current=up in smoke. The hotter the component gets, the higher the resistance goes, which means it has to sink more energy (there are variations of this, so let's not get hung up on semantics please).

But like I said, I find the thermal images interesting, but it doesn't mean all that much. What matters is the results we're seeing, the 590 clearly needs a beefier regulator section.
At 125c, or even 120c, things can go wrong. In fact, it can go wrong at 55c. What I am saying is, those VRM are operating under specifications. No more, no less. Shall those VRM fail under specifications, than it is said to be faulty or defected.
 

Zanovar

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hmm,an enjoyable thread this read became,hmm some parts :p,good stuff
 
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GaiaHunter

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Cette Radeon HD 6990 entraine des températures extrêmes en charge tant pour le CPU, que pour le chipset ou que pour le disque dur. Contrairement à ce qui se fait sur de nombreux systèmes, il sera préférable de placer un ventilateur en extraction à l’avant du boitier, de manière à éviter que l’air chaud expulsé par la Radeon HD 6990 ne monte dans le boîtier.

What this means is that opposed to the common sense it is/will be preferable to use the front fan as an extractor as opposed to pull.

Why is that? Because the heat will raise the temperature of the HDD.

There is nothing said about them using an extracting fan.

A similar thing is said about the GTX590 - the HDD will suffer due to the high heat.

La GeForce GTX 590 expulsant la moitié de l’air chaud vers l’intérieur du boîtier, les températures des composants qui l’entourent augmentent, c’est particulièrement le cas pour les disques durs qui seront soumis à rude épreuve comme vous pouvez le voir dans notre dossier consacré au dégagement thermique des cartes graphiques qui a été mis à jour avec les résultats complets de la GeForce GTX 590.
 
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Zanovar

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What this means is that opposed to the common sense it is preferable to use the front fan as an extractor as opposed to pull.

Why is that? Because the heat will raise the temperature of the HDD.

There is nothing said about them using an extracting fan.

A similar thing is said about the GTX590 - the HDD will suffer due to the high heat.

[La GeForce GTX 590 expulsant la moitié de l’air chaud vers l’intérieur du boîtier, les températures des composants qui l’entourent augmentent, c’est particulièrement le cas pour les disques durs qui seront soumis à rude épreuve comme vous pouvez le voir dans notre dossier consacré au dégagement thermique des cartes graphiques qui a été mis à jour avec les résultats complets de la GeForce GTX 590. [/quote[
i think the front 2x120.2x140/120/200,are the most important cooling,awaits fractal design arc midi(how porous are the dust sheets..?);P
 

Seero

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Hey, you should use an A/C during the summer to stay cool. How does this imply that I use an A/C during the summer to stay cool? That statement doesn't elaborate on anything I do to stay cool. What do you guys think?
I am not trying to be picky on words, but those are not called Heatsinks. We can start talking about Peltier effect but neither 6990, 590, or VRM have anything to do with it.

Note that A/C doesn't convert heat into electricity, or it won't need PSU. It works by transferring heat from one side to another. The side with more heat is outside of your house, the side with less heat is into of your house. Add the 2 side together and you will end up having more heat as it puts electricity to separate them. We, as human, haven't found a way to harvest the heat energy yet other then use it to boil water to push a motor ... yeah ... Nuclear reactor use it, called stream turbine I believe. If we can really harvest heat energy, we can simply use the heat energy released by radioactive waste to produce electricity.
 

Seero

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What this means is that opposed to the common sense it is/will be preferable to use the front fan as an extractor as opposed to pull.

Why is that? Because the heat will raise the temperature of the HDD.

There is nothing said about them using an extracting fan.

A similar thing is said about the GTX590 - the HDD will suffer due to the high heat.
Explain why the bottom of the case isn't ice cold.

Hot air rise, heat does not. Hot air rise because of atmospheric pressure.
 
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Zanovar

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I am not trying to be picky on words, but those are not called Heatsinks. We can start talking about Peltier effect but neither 6990, 590, or VRM have anything to do with it.

Note that A/C doesn't convert heat into electricity, or it won't need PSU. It works by transferring heat from one side to another. The side with more heat is outside of your house, the side with less heat is into of your house. Add the 2 side together and you will end up having more heat as it puts electricity to separate them. We, as human, haven't found a way to harvest the heat energy yet other then use it to boil water to push a motor ... yeah ... Nuclear reactor use it, called stream turbine I believe. If we can really harvest heat energy, we can simply use the heat energy released by radioactive waste to produce electricity.[/QU nvm
 

thilanliyan

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Im sorry if some of you cant understand it but when one GPU chip or any chip consumes more power it will generate more heat. That heat will not magically disappear in thin air, it will be transferred through the heatsink and the fan outside of the card and in HD6990 case, the right GPU chip (the one next to the 8-pins 12V) will exhaust that heat inside the case.

Because the HD6990 @ 450W produces more heat than the default GTX590, the front side of the PC case where the HD6990 exhaust all that heat it had to have a higher temperature than the GTX590.

No, it doesn't, not necessarily...it doesn't HAVE to be hotter IN THAT AREA. Overall if the 6990 is consuming more power at 450w then yes it would give off more heat but THAT AREA doesn't necessarily have to be hotter. Please read this post:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=31490521&postcount=488

You are making all-sweeping statements about 2 very different thermodynamic systems (different heatsinks, different vents, different fans, different physical size) and have not been able to prove what you are implying.
 

railven

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I am not trying to be picky on words, but those are not called Heatsinks. We can start talking about Peltier effect but neither 6990, 590, or VRM have anything to do with it.

Note that A/C doesn't convert heat into electricity, or it won't need PSU. It works by transferring heat from one side to another. The side with more heat is outside of your house, the side with less heat is into of your house. Add the 2 side together and you will end up having more heat as it puts electricity to separate them. We, as human, haven't found a way to harvest the heat energy yet other then use it to boil water to push a motor ... yeah ... Nuclear reactor use it, called stream turbine I believe. If we can really harvest heat energy, we can simply use the heat energy released by radioactive waste to produce electricity.

Thanks for pretty much proving my point that my last paragraph illustrated. :)
 

Seero

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Thanks for pretty much proving my point that my last paragraph illustrated. :)
I see the opposite. Why does the intake temp higher than the exhaust on 6990 if there are no external source of air? Why is the bottom right corner colder than the rest of the case?
 

kevinsbane

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Warning: long post. Theoretical calculations. Train of thought textual vomit ahead. This is an analysis looking at heat in this system.

First things first:

Heat is not temperature is not thermal energy.
Heat is a process: the flow of thermal energy from one location to another. As humans, this is what we sense.
Temperature is a physical measure of thermal energy present, although correlated, it depends heavily on the properties of the material.
Thermal energy is what causes temperature, and is a byproduct of any use (degradation) of high grade energy.

Video cards produce thermal energy in direct proportion to their power consumption. This thermal energy manifests as an elevated temperature, which causes heating. "Heatsinks" are thermal energy reservoirs, which cause a transfer of thermal energy to themselves, they "heat" up.

Secondly, it should be noted that in the two pictures being compared in this thread by Seero, that the HD 6990 is running on "Standard" mode; from all the reviews I've seen, the HD 6990 consumes less power than the GTX 590. I've seen anywhere from 15-100W less in terms of total system pwoer; unfortunately, xbit labs hasn't come out with their power consumption numbers for the video cards themselves (yet). It is my suspicion that the HD 6990 in O/C mode runs about the same power consumption as the GTX 590 at stock. I can't say for sure, as reviews vary with sites like Anandtech pegging the 6990 OC at higher system consumption than the 590, while other sites like Tom's, Tweaktown, TechReport, etc. as showing 6990OC using less or the same amount of power as the 590. I feel 6990OC wattage~=590 wattage is a reasonable position to take. Thus, in the picture being compared, the HD 6990 is dissipating rather less thermal energy that the gtx. The correct comparison is the 6990 OC vs 590. I will be comparing these two pictures.

Thirdly, assuming an equal airflow (big assumption; feel free to disagree, but please explain why), the 6990 is exhausting up to twice as much air outside the case as the 590 gtx is. The physics of why a 590 will exhaust less air (given similar "free air" CFM fan ratings) has been discussed in the last few pages. The assumption of equal CFM I make on the fact that the 6990 card itself runs cooler than the 590. This indicates that even under similar power situations, the 6990OC is still dissipating more thermal energy away from the video card itself. Given that the biggest indicator of cooling performance in this situation would be CFM (combined with exhaust temperature, which is equal), I would say that the CFM numbers would be comparable, if not greater in the 6990.

Fourthly, if you might notice, the HD 6990 OC pic shows that the area above the video card is warmer than the 590 pic. There is extra thermal energy above the 6990 than the 590.

Finally, to put it together. The 6990 OC exhausts up to twice as much air as the 590. Their power consumption is the same. Airflow is unknown, but assumed to be comparable.

Note: I am saying energy but referring to watts as a unit. This is technically incorrect. Let us say I am working off of a unit time, ie 1 second.
Therefore, given the same thermal energy to dissipate, the 6990 right off the bat dumps ~50% of its energy (~190-225W remains) outside the case. Let us be generous to the 590 and say it manages to dump 33% of its energy outside the case through the rear vent (251-300W remains). At nomial 375 W rating, that's an extra 64 W of energy. At 450W, that's 76W extra energy dumped into the case.

It is also known that there is more thermal energy above the 6990 OC than the 590 (temperatures are higher on the mobo and HD cage). Therefore, there is more thermal energy above the 6990 than the 590.

Thus, my conclusion. The absolute numbers don't mean very much, just the relative numbers here. Assume that the 590 dissipates 170W of thermal energy above the video card. Assume that the 6990 dissipates 200W of thermal energy above the case. Where does the rest of the energy go? Below the card, of course. For the 6990, ~20-55 watts of energy below; for the 590, 80-130 watts below.

Are my numbers right? Fat chance. But it is a reasonable analysis of thermal energy tracking? I would say yes. This analysis, in and of itself, does not explain the cold spot. But it shows that it is definitely possible for the 6990 to leave that cold spot there, based on quantities of thermal energy alone. There does not need to be an intake fan. (it would have to be an intake fan based on that image; if it were an exhaust fan, that area would show up as much warmer) My personal theory for that cold spot is that the cables directed the interior 6990 exhaust slightly upwards, resulting in a stagnant air bubble there, which also explains why there is more thermal energy above the 6990.
 

pcm81

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Warning: long post. Theoretical calculations. Train of thought textual vomit ahead. This is an analysis looking at heat in this system.

First things first:

Heat is not temperature is not thermal energy.
Heat is a process: the flow of thermal energy from one location to another. As humans, this is what we sense.
Temperature is a physical measure of thermal energy present, although correlated, it depends heavily on the properties of the material.
Thermal energy is what causes temperature, and is a byproduct of any use (degradation) of high grade energy.
Sorry, but NO.
Temperature
is average kinetic energy of the molecules. E=kT
Heat or Thermal Energy is the total kinetic energy of molecule in an object. At temperatures near absolute zero the excitation energies of crystal lattice is an important part of Heat, but at room temperatures and above heat is best approximated by total kinetic energy.
 

railven

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Warning: long post. Theoretical calculations. Train of thought textual vomit ahead. This is an analysis looking at heat in this system.

First things first:

Heat is not temperature is not thermal energy.
Heat is a process: the flow of thermal energy from one location to another. As humans, this is what we sense.
Temperature is a physical measure of thermal energy present, although correlated, it depends heavily on the properties of the material.
Thermal energy is what causes temperature, and is a byproduct of any use (degradation) of high grade energy.

Video cards produce thermal energy in direct proportion to their power consumption. This thermal energy manifests as an elevated temperature, which causes heating. "Heatsinks" are thermal energy reservoirs, which cause a transfer of thermal energy to themselves, they "heat" up.

Secondly, it should be noted that in the two pictures being compared in this thread by Seero, that the HD 6990 is running on "Standard" mode; from all the reviews I've seen, the HD 6990 consumes less power than the GTX 590. I've seen anywhere from 15-100W less in terms of total system pwoer; unfortunately, xbit labs hasn't come out with their power consumption numbers for the video cards themselves (yet). It is my suspicion that the HD 6990 in O/C mode runs about the same power consumption as the GTX 590 at stock. I can't say for sure, as reviews vary with sites like Anandtech pegging the 6990 OC at higher system consumption than the 590, while other sites like Tom's, Tweaktown, TechReport, etc. as showing 6990OC using less or the same amount of power as the 590. I feel 6990OC wattage~=590 wattage is a reasonable position to take. Thus, in the picture being compared, the HD 6990 is dissipating rather less thermal energy that the gtx. The correct comparison is the 6990 OC vs 590. I will be comparing these two pictures.

Thirdly, assuming an equal airflow (big assumption; feel free to disagree, but please explain why), the 6990 is exhausting up to twice as much air outside the case as the 590 gtx is. The physics of why a 590 will exhaust less air (given similar "free air" CFM fan ratings) has been discussed in the last few pages. The assumption of equal CFM I make on the fact that the 6990 card itself runs cooler than the 590. This indicates that even under similar power situations, the 6990OC is still dissipating more thermal energy away from the video card itself. Given that the biggest indicator of cooling performance in this situation would be CFM (combined with exhaust temperature, which is equal), I would say that the CFM numbers would be comparable, if not greater in the 6990.

Fourthly, if you might notice, the HD 6990 OC pic shows that the area above the video card is warmer than the 590 pic. There is extra thermal energy above the 6990 than the 590.

Finally, to put it together. The 6990 OC exhausts up to twice as much air as the 590. Their power consumption is the same. Airflow is unknown, but assumed to be comparable.

Note: I am saying energy but referring to watts as a unit. This is technically incorrect. Let us say I am working off of a unit time, ie 1 second.
Therefore, given the same thermal energy to dissipate, the 6990 right off the bat dumps ~50% of its energy (~190-225W remains) outside the case. Let us be generous to the 590 and say it manages to dump 33% of its energy outside the case through the rear vent (251-300W remains). At nomial 375 W rating, that's an extra 64 W of energy. At 450W, that's 76W extra energy dumped into the case.

It is also known that there is more thermal energy above the 6990 OC than the 590 (temperatures are higher on the mobo and HD cage). Therefore, there is more thermal energy above the 6990 than the 590.

Thus, my conclusion. The absolute numbers don't mean very much, just the relative numbers here. Assume that the 590 dissipates 170W of thermal energy above the video card. Assume that the 6990 dissipates 200W of thermal energy above the case. Where does the rest of the energy go? Below the card, of course. For the 6990, ~20-55 watts of energy below; for the 590, 80-130 watts below.

Are my numbers right? Fat chance. But it is a reasonable analysis of thermal energy tracking? I would say yes. This analysis, in and of itself, does not explain the cold spot. But it shows that it is definitely possible for the 6990 to leave that cold spot there, based on quantities of thermal energy alone. There does not need to be an intake fan. (it would have to be an intake fan based on that image; if it were an exhaust fan, that area would show up as much warmer) My personal theory for that cold spot is that the cables directed the interior 6990 exhaust slightly upwards, resulting in a stagnant air bubble there, which also explains why there is more thermal energy above the 6990.

A well thought out post. Thanks for taking the time to write out your opinion on the piece.

About your theory on the cables, I thought the opposite. Maybe there is more obstruction on the GTX 590 causing warm air to to back track towards the card's intake? A closed circuit of warm air as so would cause for increased temperatures below the card also.
 

railven

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I see the opposite. Why does the intake temp higher than the exhaust on 6990 if there are no external source of air? Why is the bottom right corner colder than the rest of the case?

No, you pretty much proved that without me explicitly saying something, in my example of whether I do or do not use an A/C to cool off during the summers, it is irrelevant to the subject at hand. You suggestion that the authors of their articles suggesting to use a exhaust fan as proof that there is a fan in the images is baseless, just like my A/C example. :)

As for other plausible explanations, I've given my fair share. They are there to skim through at your leisure :)