[Sweclockers] AMD Zen coming in Q3 2016, will be on 14 nm

Mondozei

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...and it will be part of a process family called "Summit Ridge", it will be on a new motherboard specification called FM3, up from today's FM2+ and it will (of course) support DDR4, although it isn't known if that is 2-channel DDR4 or 4-channel DDR4.

It will also have 95W as maximum power consumption, but plenty of SKUs below it - compare this to today's Bulldozer where the highest-wattage processor takes around 220 W.

In addition, it will introduce support for simultaneous multithreading (the same tech Intel uses for their processors) and move away from the current cluster-based multithreading.

All in all, Sweclockers are on a roll these days.
 
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cbn

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I just hope they don't include a large iGPU like they did with Kaveri.

Instead I hope AMD decides to make the chip cheap to make and let us (the consumer) decide what dGPU we want to bolt up to it.
 

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By then, intel will have a die shrunk quad core skylake for sale at $200. At stock speeds, it should be at least as fast as a 4690k at 4.0Ghz. The unlocked version will surely clock up to 4.2Ghz before surpassing 45 Watts. The chances of AMD matching that are extremely remote.
 

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Here is the Google translate:

https://translate.google.com/transl...mit-ridge-for-14-nanometer&edit-text=&act=url

AMD Zen first in Summit Ridge of 14 nanometers

Processors
2015-01-26 19:01

The successor to the architecture AMD Bulldozer called Zen and the introduction of processor family Summit Ridge, which take the step to 14 nanometers.

The three-year-old architecture Bulldozer is still the basis of AMD's highest-performing processors, a severely criticized structure that has recently been recognized as a failure. Despite the fact that it takes almost two years before the successor sees the light has the processor manufacturer has already begun Hausa coming Zen - one from scratch new architecture developed by the renowned engineer Jim Keller at the tip.

Now, vBulletin Solutions reveal that the first with the architecture AMD Zen gets the family Summit Ridge with processors containing up to eight cores. Meanwhile taken a giant leap from 32 nanometers (for today's FX series) down to 14 nanometers , suggesting that Samsung or Globalfoundries will be the manufacturer.

Progress should not at least reduce power consumption. Today's most energy-efficient models in the FX series lands at 95 W TDP, something that extends up to 125 and breathtaking 220 W super-hot models. For Summit Ridge same is "up to 95 W," which suggests that there will be more power-efficient variants.

Intel introduced the new memory standard DDR4 with the architecture Haswell-E and later this year will Skylake also take the type of memory at a lower price ranges. AMD plans to take the same steps to Summit Ridge. However, it is unclear if it is two or four channels DDR4, although the former is more likely.

New features include the hitherto unknown socket AMD FM3, which is likely to be a direct sequel to today FM2 +. It may be noted that nothing so far is mentioned about the integrated graphics parts of the processor. In contrast, choosing AMD to integrate northbridge on the same silicon, which assists with a still unknown number of channels PCI Express 3.0. In addition, a new southbridge code-named "Promontory".

It is also short on details about the architecture Zen, where the only AMD gossiping about is to retain the "best" from Bulldozer and Jaguar in processors intended for both servers and consumer markets. Anecdotal evidence alleges that AMD departing from the Cluster-Based Multithreading , the modular design where the two cores share resources, for the benefit of Simultaneous Multithreading , where each core can execute two simultaneous threads. The corresponding feature found in Intel's processors under the name Hyperthreading.

Anyone who looks forward to the launch of the AMD processor family Zen and the Summit Ridge may be prepared to wait a long time. Reportedly vBulletin delayed the launch until the third quarter of 2016, ie almost five years after the introduction of the first generation Bulldozer.

Some cliffs:

SMT design
up to eight cores
14nm
no info on iGPU
DDR4
Up to 95 watts
FM3 socket
Q3 2014
 

cbn

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By then, intel will have a die shrunk quad core skylake for sale at $200. At stock speeds, it should be at least as fast as a 4690k at 4.0Ghz. The unlocked version will surely clock up to 4.2Ghz before surpassing 45 Watts. The chances of AMD matching that are extremely remote.

Every unlocked 4C/4T quad since i5-2500K has increased in price. (And actually i5-2500K was itself a price increase over i5-750). Of course, we also got better iGPUs during that time which most people never took advantage of.

With that said, I hope the new breakthrough in desktop (for both Intel and AMD) is "reducing iGPU size".
 

ShintaiDK

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Let me guess, they got 14nm(unknown product) from a transscript and then fabricated the rest. Sites sure go a long way for clickbaits these days.
 

cbn

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I wonder what the cache size will look like on these chips?

One complaint I have about Vishera is that the 8MB L3 cache appears to add very little in the way of performance (at least in gaming applications), but adds a large amount of die size and thus cost.

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For example, In this Tom's hardware gaming comparison FX-4350 (4.2 Ghz/4.3 Ghz turbo, 8 MB L3 cache) only beat the Athlon x4 750K @ 4.3 Ghz (no L3 cache) by just a few percent:

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III-V

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Quad channel would be stupid. I don't know what it is with tech sites and even pondering it.
 

Enigmoid

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I highly doubt Q3 2016 given the multiple foundry delays. End of 2016 to beginning of 2017.

I expect similar delays for intel. Or any manufacturer.
 

Fjodor2001

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Also from the SweClockers article:

Now, SweClockers reveal that the Summit Range will be the first family based on the AMD Zen architecture, with processors containing up to eight cores.
Finally 8 cores om mainstream desktop then. In that case 95 W TDP does not sound too bad.
 

Fjodor2001

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In Africa and the Middle East. It also talks about Cherry Trail being in tablets and cell phones in 2H 2015... Which is wrong.

The Intel representative was from Africa and the Middle East, correct. But he did not say the launch date estimate was for that region only.
 

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Maybe to provide sufficient bandwidth for the iGPU, if they won't be using HBM?

That'd blow up the BoM higher than using HBM. Way more board complexity, need more ICs, big die area penalty. Not to mention being totally useless for notebooks. It's basically only feasible on server chips, and if they're using DDR4, their bandwidth needs won't be so bad.
The Intel representative was from Africa and the Middle East, correct. But he did not say the launch date estimate was for that region only.
The site's audience is the Persian Gulf. I just find it a bit hard to believe that it has been delayed that much. That would be almost a two year slip.
 
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He also said Skylake by the end of the year which implies he is talking about mobile. Doesn't mean desktop chips couldn't be launched earlier. Assuming the next ''will fix everything'' chip from AMD does launch in H2-2016 it will most likely face Skylake-K and 10nm Cannonlake. If not at launch, shortly after.
 

cytg111

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Also from the SweClockers article:

Finally 8 cores om mainstream desktop then. In that case 95 W TDP does not sound too bad.

Or indicative of a push for the server segment? I dont see mainstream needing 8C16T chips anytime soon.
 
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Not sure what sm625 meant. But he said skylake, not cannonlake, which is 10nm. Skylake on 14nm should be out sometime this year, and by 2017 we should be close to another shrink. But as someone else said, I am not putting much faith in any roadmaps these days.
 

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Quad channel would be stupid. I don't know what it is with tech sites and even pondering it.

Agreed -- I think we can say with 100% certainty that AMD will focus on a dual channel DDR4 configuration to bring DDR4 to the mainstream. Considering the minimal gains I've seen with quad channel DDR4 that I've seen on my friends new Intel build, dual channel is probably the sweet spot for affordable performance, anyways.