Swat Team Raids Innocent Woman's Home, With Video

[OutHouse]

so a swat team is used to raid a home because of online threats towards the local PD and the chief. Gee i wonder would they do this for a regular citizen? i think not. not only that but its totally over use of power.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6e7_1407930108

An elderly woman's home was raided by police after she was suspected of making anonymous online threats against the Evansville police department and Chief Billy Bolin.

The 68-year-old woman, Louise Milan was in the house with her 18 year old adopted daughter when police shattered a glass door and burst in after throwing flash grenades inside.

Police came up empty-handed in the search for evidence about who had made the threatening posts but only after damaging Louise Milan’s house, handcuffing her and her adopted daughter and seizing their computers, according to a lawsuit that has been filed against the city of Evansville.

The FBI later arrested Derrick Murray, a suspected local gang leader who lived nearby in his mother’s house and was using his smartphone to access the Milan's unsecured wireless network.

City attorneys contend that the force used to execute the search warrant, was “objectively reasonable” and that officials are immune from liability.
Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6e7_1407930108#DVPPUxR9rpMKRW0O.99

 

[Newell Steamer]

Gee i wonder would they do this for a regular citizen?

You mean like this?

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...m-to-opponents-house-in-new-york-9281800.html

EDIT: I am trying to figure out how the OP is different from the story I just linked.

 

[OutHouse]

You mean like this?

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...m-to-opponents-house-in-new-york-9281800.html

EDIT: I am trying to figure out how the OP is different from the story I just linked.

you mean this difference? “Threatening posts” do not in a sensible world justify a SWAT raid.
however i can totally see how in your story it is justified.

The hoaxer faked a phone call from his opponent's house claiming that the 17-year-old had killed his mother

 

[Newell Steamer]

you mean this difference?

Whoops - my fault.

I thought the woman was pranked. She was not. Her unsecure wifi line was used by someone, to threaten the cops and they then thought it was her.

Duh.

 

[Oldgamer]

Quote: "City attorneys contend that the force used to execute the search warrant, was “objectively reasonable” and that officials are immune from liability.:

This is utter bullshit, and yes this is excessive force and they should have used other means to find out who was making the threats first.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Quote: "City attorneys contend that the force used to execute the search warrant, was “objectively reasonable” and that officials are immune from liability.:

This is utter bullshit, and yes this is excessive force and they should have used other means to find out who was making the threats first.

Honest question. What other means would you recommend to determine who was making the threats when they seem to originate from within the house?

 

[Mean MrMustard]

Nice... This is my home town.

 

[Brovane]

The best way to deal with this is to start making every use of a SWAT reportable so data can be gathered on how often they are used and what tactics they use. They shouldn't have to treat every SWAT entry as if they are making a entry into Bin Laden's compound. They woman is lucky she didn't own any pets or they probably would have been shot.

 

[OutHouse]

Honest question. What other means would you recommend to determine who was making the threats when they seem to originate from within the house?

umm i dunno, maybe talking to the home owner?

 

[Oldgamer]

Honest question. What other means would you recommend to determine who was making the threats when they seem to originate from within the house?

How about do what the FBI does, visit the house. Talk with the folks at the home. They may have determined then that she had an open wifi. The FBI does this with suspected terrorists and other potential threats when they are trying to assess things. They don't need a RAM to knock the door down, and armed military thugs storm trooping the home either to do it.

 

[CitizenKain]

How about do what the FBI does, visit the house. Talk with the folks at the home. They may have determined then that she had an open wifi. The FBI does this with suspected terrorists and other potential threats when they are trying to assess things. They don't need a RAM to knock the door down, and armed military thugs storm trooping the home either to do it.

Listen, they got all these neat toys from the military for free, they just can't sit around. Plus its Officer Thimbledick from Traffic Department's turn to throw a flashbang through the window, he missed out last time because of a cold.

 

[dmcowen674]

So sad what this Country has become.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

How about do what the FBI does, visit the house. Talk with the folks at the home. They may have determined then that she had an open wifi. The FBI does this with suspected terrorists and other potential threats when they are trying to assess things. They don't need a RAM to knock the door down, and armed military thugs storm trooping the home either to do it.

Now let's take into consideration that they have received direct and specific threats from what appears to be the house. There are three people associated to that address that have histories of violence, gang affiliation, weapons offences and are known to possess weapons. Not really the best circumstance to enter into unprepared.

 

[MongGrel]

Nice... This is my home town.

I was raised near there, saw this and was like WTF ?

Just wow, and seriously fucked up.

 

[BoberFett]

Honest question. What other means would you recommend to determine who was making the threats when they seem to originate from within the house?

Knock on the door?

 

[MongGrel]

After watching the video, I hope these guys have some serious justification for that one somewhere in their pockets.

 

[Venix]

Now let's take into consideration that they have received direct and specific threats from what appears to be the house. There are three people associated to that address that have histories of violence, gang affiliation, weapons offences and are known to possess weapons. Not really the best circumstance to enter into unprepared.

Why do you automatically believe the city's defense? The victim claims that she's never met one of the people allegedly associated with the house, and the other two are her adult son and grandson who live elsewhere.

The city's statement smells like bullshit, anyway. If these guys were dangerous convicted felons, the statement would directly say that. Instead it's some vague nonsense about how they had "weapons related charges or possessed weapons." It reads to me like they planned to raid the house, then tried to justify it with whatever flimsy evidence they could find.

The police also invited a television news crew to film the raid, so they clearly weren't particularly concerned about safety. I think we all know what actually happened here--the police were angry that someone threatened them, so they decided to punish him with an excessively violent and destructive no-knock raid.

(And before anyone claims that they knocked, the three seconds between knocking and smashing the door does not satisfy the knock-and-announce rule.)

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Haven't said what I believe. I'm simply pointing out that there are a lot more details that the original story posted omits. Things that have the potential to change the optics for some. I see nothing wrong with being objective in looking at ALL the details.

 

[Thebobo]

Unbelievable.

I know this is the Huff post which is krypton to some of you all here but the Huffington post has a daily column called Raid of the Day which covers the police state we seem to be drifting into and it should be non partisan ~

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/raid-of-the-day/

 

[Meghan54]

Now let's take into consideration that they have received direct and specific threats from what appears to be the house. There are three people associated to that address that have histories of violence, gang affiliation, weapons offences and are known to possess weapons. Not really the best circumstance to enter into unprepared.

WHAT?

3 people known to have gan affiliations, weapons and histories of violence in "that address"? You sure that 68 year old was part of those 3 people?

I think you're mixing up two different houses mentioned in the article in the OP, the house that was wrongly raided (the one the 68 year old lived in) and the house of, "a suspected local gang leader who lived nearby in his mother’s house and was using his smartphone to access the Milan's unsecured wireless network."

Two different houses and I'm sure the police, when they ran the address, found no connection to anyone living there and dangerous, criminal histories, unless either the 68 year old woman or the teenager were the "real" gang leaders in hiding.


the house the gang leader/member lived in.....the person that was using his smartphone to access the raided house's open WiFi and leave the threats.

 

[MtnMan]

First lesson: secure your damn WiFi

Second lesson: our law enforcement is out of control. WTF is wrong with knocking on the door and talking to the people. Citizens in this country are being treated like civilians were treated in the door-to-door warfare in Baghdad during the Iraq war.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

WHAT?

3 people known to have gan affiliations, weapons and histories of violence in "that address"? You sure that 68 year old was part of those 3 people?

I think you're mixing up two different houses mentioned in the article in the OP, the house that was wrongly raided (the one the 68 year old lived in) and the house of, "a suspected local gang leader who lived nearby in his mother’s house and was using his smartphone to access the Milan's unsecured wireless network."

Two different houses and I'm sure the police, when they ran the address, found no connection to anyone living there and dangerous, criminal histories, unless either the 68 year old woman or the teenager were the "real" gang leaders in hiding.


the house the gang leader/member lived in.....the person that was using his smartphone to access the raided house's open WiFi and leave the threats.

Not quite. Which is why I say the original article is short on details.

“Further investigation led EPD to associate known criminals to the residence who had violent histories, gang association, weapons related charges or possessed weapons,” according to the city’s motion.

The motion argues that police records showed three people with criminal records and possible gang affiliations were associated with the house: Anthony Milan Sr., Anthony Milan Jr. and Marc Milan.

http://www.courierpress.com/news/lo...uit-police-video-shows-what-happened_21314982

 

[Angry Irishman]

Was a dog shot? It's not a complete story about a SWAT team raid if a dog wasn't shot.

 

[DrDoug]

Knock on the door?

Really. They used to have these kind of special cops, I think they were called "detectives", that used to investigate people to determine if there were crimes committed. In cases like this they used to interview neighbors to determine all who were staying in a residence before actually going up to the residence to talk to whoever is/lives there. One tool they used to use was where they would do a stakeout and actually watch a place to see who goes in and out of it! Of course this means actual work for the police and we all know work is a dirty four letter word.

Police today prefer that fun four letter word, SWAT! They get to dress up like real life CoD players, equip awesome weapons, break stuff, throw things that blow up and if really lucky, they get to kill.

Without repercussion when they are wrong. Ain't America great!! :thumbsup:

 

[Jhhnn]

How about do what the FBI does, visit the house. Talk with the folks at the home. They may have determined then that she had an open wifi. The FBI does this with suspected terrorists and other potential threats when they are trying to assess things. They don't need a RAM to knock the door down, and armed military thugs storm trooping the home either to do it.

Or call her on the phone, tell her what the problem is, ask if her wifi is secured. Ask her who's in the house. Tell her some officers will be by shortly to talk about it- you know, parked out front, waiting for her to meet them on the porch, please.

I'd love to have been a bug on the wall when the City Attorney ripped into whoever planned this little clusterfuck. "You stupid motherfucker" was probably in the conversation somewhere.

It's all too easy to go on about the "Police State" in this age of instant communications. That doesn't mean it's real, or that it's any worse than it ever was. Cops just have better toys & everybody knows about it when they fuck up.