SUVs are not safe vehicles

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Hammerhead
If every SUV owner gave up their SUV for big Pick-ups, will that make all the SUV haters happy?

No.

 

[Hammerhead]

Originally posted by: her209

"I'm so cool in my SUV that I must talk to my friends on my cell phone at all times while operating my SUV. Ummm... smug."[/quote]


"I'm so cool in my convertible that I must talk to my friends on my cell phone at all times while operating my convertible. Ummm... smug"

boo...it works with cars too...

 

[Hammerhead]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
IMHO: A car is as safe as the person controling it.

Not worth reading, and no, I didn't look.

Yeah, and 90% of the people who drive SUVs don't know how to control one in an emergency situation.

Your point is moot.

gimme facts not b.s. statistics you pulled out your ass

 

[sygyzy]

Malcolm Gladwell is the man.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: Hammerhead

Originally posted by: her209
"I'm so cool in my SUV that I must talk to my friends on my cell phone at all times while operating my SUV. Ummm... smug."

"I'm so cool in my convertible that I must talk to my friends on my cell phone at all times while operating my convertible. Ummm... smug"

boo...it works with cars too...

I have to say I'm pretty impressed that you can hear a telephone conversation while in a convertible.

 

[RiDE]

Originally posted by: Hammerhead

Originally posted by: clickynext
It's more about whether people really need the car they drive. I think it's safe to say that most SUV drivers don't actually need anything bigger than a regular car, while a much greater proportion of minivan drivers and truck drivers actually need their vehicles.

...and people who drive sports cars really need to go 120 mph to get to work

Are sportscars the favorite argument of SUV proponents or something? I don't really care about all this stuff, I think drivers in this country can't drive for sh*t in general, be it in an SUV or not.

Around here I'll see maybe 10 SUVs to 1 sportscar.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Ford Excursion in a head on collision with a Kia RIO still will not be pretty for the KIA.

 

[Hammerhead]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
Ford Excursion in a head on collision with a Kia RIO still will not be pretty for the KIA.

A Kia Rio in a head on collision with another Kia Rio can be just as deadly.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: Hammerhead

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
Ford Excursion in a head on collision with a Kia RIO still will not be pretty for the KIA.

A Kia Rio in a head on collision with another Kia Rio can be just as deadly.

Not for the Ford driver.

 

[Hammerhead]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: Hammerhead

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
Ford Excursion in a head on collision with a Kia RIO still will not be pretty for the KIA.

A Kia Rio in a head on collision with another Kia Rio can be just as deadly.

Not for the Ford driver.

Kia rio vs. kia rio kills both drivers
Kia rio vs. Ford will only kill the Kia driver

driving SUV's saves lives

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: Hammerhead

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
Ford Excursion in a head on collision with a Kia RIO still will not be pretty for the KIA.

A Kia Rio in a head on collision with another Kia Rio can be just as deadly.

Not for the Ford driver.

:laugh:

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Hammerhead

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
IMHO: A car is as safe as the person controling it.

Not worth reading, and no, I didn't look.

Yeah, and 90% of the people who drive SUVs don't know how to control one in an emergency situation.

Your point is moot.

gimme facts not b.s. statistics you pulled out your ass

Gee, read the news much? Rollover statistics? Those things mean anything to you?

 

[Hammerhead]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Hammerhead

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
IMHO: A car is as safe as the person controling it.

Not worth reading, and no, I didn't look.

Yeah, and 90% of the people who drive SUVs don't know how to control one in an emergency situation.

Your point is moot.

gimme facts not b.s. statistics you pulled out your ass

Gee, read the news much? Rollover statistics? Those things mean anything to you?

sure, but show me where you got 90%
You can't...that's why I said you pulled that "stat" out you ass.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: Hammerhead
Kia rio vs. kia rio kills both drivers
Kia rio vs. Ford will only kill the Kia driver

driving SUV's saves lives

Rear end collision:
Ford hits Kia: _____ ?
Kia hits Ford: _____ ?

Driver side collision:
Ford hits Kia: _____ ?
Kia hits Ford: _____ ?

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Hammerhead

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Hammerhead

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
IMHO: A car is as safe as the person controling it.

Not worth reading, and no, I didn't look.

Yeah, and 90% of the people who drive SUVs don't know how to control one in an emergency situation.

Your point is moot.

gimme facts not b.s. statistics you pulled out your ass

Gee, read the news much? Rollover statistics? Those things mean anything to you?

sure, but show me where you got 90%
You can't...that's why I said you pulled that "stat" out you ass.

Cars are much less likely to rollover with an equally incompetent driver behind the wheel. You do the math. It doesn't take a fricken genius to figure this one out. :roll:

Edit-Pull that out of your ass.

 

[Hammerhead]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Hammerhead

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Hammerhead

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
IMHO: A car is as safe as the person controling it.

Not worth reading, and no, I didn't look.

Yeah, and 90% of the people who drive SUVs don't know how to control one in an emergency situation.

Your point is moot.

gimme facts not b.s. statistics you pulled out your ass

Gee, read the news much? Rollover statistics? Those things mean anything to you?

sure, but show me where you got 90%
You can't...that's why I said you pulled that "stat" out you ass.

Cars are much less likely to rollover with an equally incompetent driver behind the wheel. You do the math. It doesn't take a fricken genius to figure this one out. :roll:

Edit-Pull that out of your ass.

Hmm, show me the math where you got 90% as your answer.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Hammerhead

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Hammerhead

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Hammerhead

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
IMHO: A car is as safe as the person controling it.

Not worth reading, and no, I didn't look.

Yeah, and 90% of the people who drive SUVs don't know how to control one in an emergency situation.

Your point is moot.

gimme facts not b.s. statistics you pulled out your ass

Gee, read the news much? Rollover statistics? Those things mean anything to you?

sure, but show me where you got 90%
You can't...that's why I said you pulled that "stat" out you ass.

Cars are much less likely to rollover with an equally incompetent driver behind the wheel. You do the math. It doesn't take a fricken genius to figure this one out. :roll:

Edit-Pull that out of your ass.

Hmm, show me the math where you got 90% as your answer.

I was making a point moron. Obviously, it flew right over your head.

Edit-I find your username curiously ironic.

 

[Hammerhead]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

I was making a point moron. Obviously, it flew right over your head.

my point was that you were just random stats with no proof.
why wasn't it 87%, 88%, 95%...

oh sure...you have to resort to personal attacks instead of backing up your random stats with solid proof.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Hammerhead

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

I was making a point moron. Obviously, it flew right over your head.

my point was that you were just random stats with no proof.
why wasn't it 87%, 88%, 95%...

Yes, I am just random stats. You win. :roll:

 

[Hammerhead]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Hammerhead

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

I was making a point moron. Obviously, it flew right over your head.

my point was that you were just random stats with no proof.
why wasn't it 87%, 88%, 95%...

Yes, I am just random stats. You win. :roll:

Show me solid proof showing me 90%...until then I'm done with you.

and yes...I WIN.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Hammerhead

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Hammerhead

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

I was making a point moron. Obviously, it flew right over your head.

my point was that you were just random stats with no proof.
why wasn't it 87%, 88%, 95%...

Yes, I am just random stats. You win. :roll:

Show me solid proof showing me 90%...until then I'm done with you.

and yes...I WIN.

I'm done with you too. Hammerhead.

Oh, and for the record, you don't win. That was sarcasm...which obviously flew right over your head along with all my other posts.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: Hammerhead

"I'm so cool in my convertible that I must talk to my friends on my cell phone at all times while operating my convertible. Ummm... smug"

boo...it works with cars too...

If you crash the convertible due to your inattentiveness, you're much less likely to kill someone.

Plus, convertibles have great sightlines, so you probably wouldn't be merging into other vehicles all the time.

Originally posted by: Hammerhead

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: Hammerhead

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
Ford Excursion in a head on collision with a Kia RIO still will not be pretty for the KIA.

A Kia Rio in a head on collision with another Kia Rio can be just as deadly.

Not for the Ford driver.

Kia rio vs. kia rio kills both drivers
Kia rio vs. Ford will only kill the Kia driver

driving SUV's saves lives

No, Kia Rios cost lives

Avalon vs. Avalon: both survive, no injuries
Avalon vs. Expedition: Avalon driver gets injured, Expedition driver probably gets injured too due to the truck frame not absorbing the shock and doing something like this.

 

[dwcal]

Originally posted by: Hammerhead

Originally posted by: clickynext
It's more about whether people really need the car they drive. I think it's safe to say that most SUV drivers don't actually need anything bigger than a regular car, while a much greater proportion of minivan drivers and truck drivers actually need their vehicles.

...and people who drive sports cars really need to go 120 mph to get to work

So? A V6 Camry can go a lot faster than that.

There's a lot of places to enjoy the handling of a sports car like a twisty mountain road or your favorite freeway ramp. Plus you have much better braking and cornering if you have to avoid an accident. Stability control in the new models really do help stop SUVs from flipping, but you still have the cornering grip of a 70's Buick.

 

[ai42]

It is really obvious that a lot of you guys did not read the article. It was very well written I must say.

Some very good points brought up in the article. 1. SUVs simply do not handle as well as smaller cars and therefore smaller cars can more easily and readily avoid accidents. 2. There is an illusion of safety being in an SUV being high off the ground, with mushy suspension etc which makes the driver less connected to the road and feeling less vunlerable to being in an accident than they really are. 3. Actual crash data shows that SUVs are NOT safer, and most SUVs are on the upper half of the list of cars based on fatalities. 4. Braking distance is much lower in a vehicle that weighs less (Physics duh).

BTW since when is there a mentality that SUVs pick up the chicks? Since like half of Americans own an SUV that owning an SUV doesn't really help me much in that area. Besides what kinda chicks am I supposed to pick up in my SUV the really fat ones? I'd take a chick who would like be because of my Porsche any day of the week.

 

[Reckoner]

I hate SUVs almost as much as I hate minivans