Suspicion Surrounds Death of Iraqi Scientist in U.S. Custody

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BAGHDAD ? The death certificate issued by the U.S. military indicated that a prominent Iraqi government scientist in American custody for nine months had died of natural causes.

Doubtful, his family ordered an independent autopsy, which concluded that blunt-force injury caused the 65-year-old man's death.

And Mohammed Abdelmonaem Mahmoud Hamdi Alazmirli's body bore suspicious marks: He had a bruise on his nose, an abrasion on his cheek, a cut near his eye and a fractured skull.

The Pentagon has named 23 of 37 detainees who died while in U.S. custody in Iraq and Afghanistan. Alazmirli was not among those named, and the military declined to say whether he was among the other 14.

Responding to a Times query, the Pentagon's criminal investigation division declined to comment on Alazmirli's death. A spokesman for the Army's Criminal Investigative Division, Christopher Grey, issued a six-word response: "No releasable information at this time."

Alazmirli's case raises questions about whether similar ones exist ? suspicious deaths that are not on any official U.S. lists ? and what method the military is using to determine which cases are worthy of review.

But Alazmirli's family members say they believe that the U.S. military is engaging in a cover-up. They noted that although Alazmirli died on Jan. 31, the military waited for more than two weeks before U.S. soldiers delivered his body ? naked in a zipped black body bag ? to a Baghdad hospital.

"Why did they leave him in the morgue for 17 days before they told us?" asked his daughter Rana, 23, a medical student at Baghdad University. "I think they didn't inform us because they were trying to hide something, and they kept him to make the evidence disappear."

The U.S. military's death certificate omits any reference to the injuries cited in the Iraqi autopsy.

Dr. Qaiss Hassan, who performed the autopsy at Iraq's Forensic Medical Institute, noted in his report that Alazmirli had a massive amount of blood under his scalp.

Flipping through photographs and diagrams of Alazmirli's head, Hassan said: "It was definitely a blunt-trauma injury. There's no question. You can get this kind of injury if you are in a car accident or if you fall from a height or if someone hits your head hard."

The U.S. military undoubtedly considered the scientist a "high-value target." In making its case for invading Iraq, the Bush administration said that President Saddam Hussein had amassed weapons of mass destruction.

U.S. officials appeared to have suspected initially that the Egyptian-born Alazmirli was involved with Hussein's purported nuclear weapons program; Alazmirli had worked in the office of the presidency, serving as a science advisor to Hussein's feared intelligence agency. He retired from government work in 1995 to teach at Al Haithem University.

On April 24, 2003, about two weeks after the Americans captured Baghdad, U.S. soldiers burst into Alazmirli's home. The scientist was not there. His wife, Saharaa, recounted that a U.S. soldier demanded, "Where are the weapons of mass destruction?" She said she replied that she did not know.

"He did not have anything to do with weapons of mass destruction," she said, adding that U.N. weapons inspectors interviewed Alazmirli during the 1990s and found that he was not involved in any arms program.

According to Saharaa and TV coverage at the time, the U.S. military came prepared for a fight.

Tanks and armored vehicles moved into the neighborhood, closing off streets. Dozens of soldiers leaped over her garden wall, blasted locks off the doors and broke into every cupboard, she said. They carted away boxes of belongings, she said, including all of Alazmirli's books, Saharaa's perfumes and all her gold jewelry ? the Iraqi equivalent of a life's savings.

Saharaa said she was frightened, but an interpreter for the soldiers assured her that "we only want to talk to your husband for one hour because we know he's busy, and we'll even pay him because his time is important."

A day after the soldiers arrived, Alazmirli returned home and surrendered. The troops handcuffed and hooded him and put him in a military vehicle.

Reluctant to be parted from her husband, Saharaa said, she told the soldiers that she was a chemist too. They detained her as well. She is a retired high school chemistry teacher. She was taken to the airport detention center but was released after U.S. interrogators apparently concluded that she was of no use to them.

Alazmirli's whereabouts remained a mystery to his family.

A month after his detention, the family received the first communication from him via letter delivered by the International Committee of the Red Cross. He was not permitted to write anything other than his name. A stamp in the middle of the page declared, "SAFE and WELL."

Later, Alazmirli sent letters regularly to his family. Occasionally he requested clothes, but often he complained that he was not receiving letters from his family members even though they wrote every week.

Saharaa, her daughters and a son spoke about Alazmirli's death as they sat in their neat living room. The scientist ? a tall, thin, balding man with a thin mustache and a serious look ? stared from photographs on the wall and a side table.

"I went to the Red Cross and complained that our letters weren't reaching him, and they said, 'We're hearing this all over and we're trying to get the Americans to do something about it,' " Saharaa said.

The Red Cross declined to comment on the case.

The family received its first phone call from Alazmirli four months after his arrest. He spoke for about three minutes, just enough time to inquire about family members' health.

Rewarding detainees with letters and telephone calls was typical of the treatment high-value inmates received from interrogators. Twice during the fall of 2003, the family received telephone calls from Alazmirli.

Then, family members said, an American who identified himself on the phone as Mr. Jeeki told them to show up at 2 p.m. Jan. 11 at a checkpoint near Baghdad international airport.

At least two detention facilities are located at the airport, including a separate prison for many of those detainees the Pentagon had identified among its 55 most-wanted Iraqis. When the family members arrived, they were blindfolded, driven around in loops for about 10 minutes and brought to a building where they were told that Alazmirli would meet them.

The family asked "Mr. Jeeki" why Alazmirli was being held and with what crimes he had been charged.

"They said, 'Your father doesn't have any charges,' " said his son Ashraf, 21, a college chemistry major. " 'He is only needed as a witness because he was a member of the Mukhabarat [intelligence agency]. On the contrary, your father is a nice man, a scientist, and he's useful to the United States and to the Iraqi people.'

"From that we concluded he was cooperating with them," Ashraf said.

When Alazmirli came into the room, he was surprised to see them, family members said.

Rana said she learned then that although her father was a diabetic, the military had taken away his insulin and substituted an oral medication.

"You cannot take away insulin from someone who has taken it for many years. He took three injections per day; the pills are not sufficient," she said. "I think they were trying to kill him slowly."

Nonetheless, all four family members said that Alazmirli looked like his old self. But one thing worried them. On his wrist was a plastic band with the now infamous photograph of a disheveled Saddam Hussein when he was arrested while hiding in a hole near Tikrit.

"I didn't ask him about it because I didn't want to upset him," Rana said.

As they said their farewells, Rana said, Alazmirli appeared strong, although his parting words seemed cryptic: "I don't know what my fate will be. I may be released tomorrow, in a few weeks or maybe never."

Then, on Feb. 17, two Red Cross staffers knocked at the family's door, Alazmirli's wife said. Saharaa said she was glad to see them because the Red Cross had been the bearer of good news: letters from Alazmirli.

But this time the news was grim. "They told me his body was at the Al Karkh hospital. I couldn't believe it because I had just seen him. I thought maybe they had a different man," she said.

The Red Cross told her that he had been in the military hospital for two weeks before he died.

"I think he knew he was dying," Rana said. "Other people get to sit at their father's bedside when he is dying."

Ashraf went to the hospital to identify the body. Unzipping the bag, he was shocked to find his father without any clothes and with a gash to his head.

According to the American death certificate, Alazmirli died in Ebensina Hospital, the medical facility inside the Green Zone ? the security perimeter around the U.S. headquarters in Baghdad ? that is used to treat Americans and some Iraqi prisoners.

Ashraf said he and other family members concluded that shortly after their visit, the Americans had killed Alazmirli.

Rana held in her lap all that the Alazmirli family had to remember of her father's last nine months: a brown plastic envelope in which he kept the letters from his family and a handwritten calendar on which he marked off the days.
 

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This won't help quell militants. In fact if this was done to my family by an invading army I would start to ponder the need to take up arms to protect them.

That's not a good thing.
 

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And take notice on the part where the troops take jewlery and all valuables from the wife, this is common practice there to stop possible funding from militants. The bad part is that Iraiqis generaly dont use banks so all their money is stored at home which the troops take away from and that if the Iraqies want it back then they cant because it just isnt part of the program.
 

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Originally posted by: Aelius
This won't help quell militants. In fact if this was done to my family by an invading army I would start to ponder the need to take up arms to protect them.

That's not a good thing.

Watch Out! I said the SAME thing and was branded a terrorist liberal scumbag filth traitor and a few other choice words.
 

dahunan

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Originally posted by: Czar
And take notice on the part where the troops take jewlery and all valuables from the wife, this is common practice there to stop possible funding from militants. The bad part is that Iraiqis generaly dont use banks so all their money is stored at home which the troops take away from and that if the Iraqies want it back then they cant because it just isnt part of the program.


BUT.. but .. we are there to make life better for the Iraqis.. OR.. I mean the we are friends to the people of Iraq.. wait.. NO. .God told us to strike Saddam and we did.... uh.. because he had WMDs .. that could hit NewYork via drone jets.
 

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A bucket of gasoline on the fire.

So... since book burning went out of style with Hitler and people simply vanishing went out of style with the Gestapo/Stasi/KGB, I suppose we are left with the targeted looting of homes and probable "accidental" death's due to natural causes.

Yup a 2lb billy club sounds like a natural cause to me in this day and age.

If this was Canada and some nutcase was invading us I wouldn't be asking questions at this point, I would be raiding the nearest Guard armory and start looking for the nearest Military Inteligence HQ.
 

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Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: Aelius
This won't help quell militants. In fact if this was done to my family by an invading army I would start to ponder the need to take up arms to protect them.

That's not a good thing.

Watch Out! I said the SAME thing and was branded a terrorist liberal scumbag filth traitor and a few other choice words.

Don't worry about me. I'm the most patriotic SOB on this forum and have no qualms about sticking someone in the back with a knife, blowing someone's head off with a sniper rifle or tearing someone's throat out to protect my country. I'm just not blinded by it cause I have something called morals, and common sense to add to it. That's not a very good combination for the health and safety of someone whom was invading Canada, not at all.

I pitty the Americans whom may have to put up with like minded people in Iraq. This is not a good thing at all and goes way beyond the prison abuses.
 

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This is ridiculous. And I was hoping that that wedding was going to be the last of this crap.
 
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Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: Aelius
This won't help quell militants. In fact if this was done to my family by an invading army I would start to ponder the need to take up arms to protect them.

That's not a good thing.

Watch Out! I said the SAME thing and was branded a terrorist liberal scumbag filth traitor and a few other choice words.

you both are.

and you both may well be right.

Yup a 2lb billy club sounds like a natural cause to me in this day and age.
We just need to step on their necks w/ our big black boots... it's the only way

"We are here to help you"
"We only want what?s best for you"
"We know what's best for you"
"You must do what we tell you, so that we can help you"

morals, and common sense to add to it. That's not a very good combination
nope, it's a 3 point flaw, actualy.
 

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you both are.

and you both may well be right.

We both are what? "liberal scumbag filth traitor " ?

Be specific when you label someone, makes it easier for me to step on you.

We just need to step on their necks w/ our big black boots... it's the only way

"We are here to help you"
"We only want what?s best for you"
"We know what's best for you"
"You must do what we tell you, so that we can help you"

I think that's probably been done already. I also think your quotes do a good job of showing the hypocrisy of what is happening in Iraq. Good one.

nope, it's a 3 point flaw, actualy.

Of course you would say that. When all else fails and you cannot come up with any good points just put a spin on words instead. Logic is right out the window here folks. So any clue yet as to what the new symbol for totalitarianism is in the US? Red Star with hammer and sickle is already taken, the swastika would fit nicely but its also used already... oh oh I know how about an eagle. Eagles are always patriotic so that will do.

http://www.thespeciousreport.com/2002_homeland_seal.html

Oops wrong one I meant this one... yeah yeah this one looks more official.

http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/