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SuSE Linux 7.3

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LavrentiBeria

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Fraternal greetings to the all peace-loving people on the Operating Systems board.

I recently built a new system employing the Intel D850EMV2, a 2.26 Ghz, 533 FSB Pentium 4, and 256MB RDRAM, PC 1066, upgrading from an Intel D815EEAAL with 866Mhz, 133 FSB P3, and 256MB SDRAM, PC133. I'd installed SuSE linux 7.3 on my old system without incident. It even picked up my Adaptec SCSI host adapter and Matrox video card without complaint. In attempting to install it on the new configuration, the loading sequence hangs at the point it attempts to deal with the processor. Admittedly, the 533 FSB is new for the 478 P4 but the 478 P4 is hardly new. I'm reluctant to purchase SuSE 8.0 only to learn that it'll also freeze during loading. Any thoughts? The SuSE site is not at all helpful regarding support for this processor. Neither is their tech support who simply refer me to their mailing list. Ever try to get an answer from a linux mailing list?

Neither I nor comrade Stalin is happy with these responses. Suspicions are emerging that SuSE's president is a British agent, and all of us know what that will mean. Your help is solicited.

Yours in the joy of socialist labor,

LavrentiBeria
 
Comrade n0cmonkey,

Thanks for the ftp install idea. Sad to say I'm in something of a catch 22 here. I made a 18GB Seagate Cheetah my boot drive when I built the new system and made two previously installed 9GB Seagate Barracudas the second and third physical drives. It had been my plan to use the first of the Barracudas for SuSE 7.3 and to ghost backups of it to the second. Ghosts of the Cheetah are being transmitted over a TCP/IP connection to a second drive on a second computer peer-to-peer networked with the first. Naturally, I've got to have a functioning internet connection to do what you suggest but don't want SuSE 7.3 on the first drive. Unless I can get SuSE 7.3 on the second drive with the boot disk, I'm out of luck, I'm afraid. I'm not even reaching the point where you insert CD#1. It hangs as the boot disk loads Linux into memory. Thoughts?

Now as to socialism and the GPL, comrade n0cmonkey, you know, of course, that party member Vaseli Kavtesheko invented both the personal computer and whole concept of the GPL in 1951. By making the absurd claim that the GPL is of western origin, the Finnish troublemaker, Linus Torvalds, show how little gratitude he has for the heroic restoration of freedom in his country by the Red Army both in 1940 and 1944/45. I warn you, comrade n0cmonkey, provocations of the kind you make here will not escape the attentions of the Party and the security appartatus. You are skating on thin ice.

LavrentiBeria

 
Actually the FTP install he was suggesting is where you boot from a floppy disk (set) and the installer automagically fetches necessarily packages from a SuSE FTP mirror site. As long as you have a fast Internet connection, it's a pretty smooth procedure. It's not a chicken and egg problem at all.

Do *not* mirror SuSE's ftp site because it's somelike like 5-6 GB, whereas a typical installation downloads about 500 MB of packages.

I know you like SuSE, but any reason you can't try Red Hat or some-other-distro? I'm a longtime SuSE faithful, and recently installed SuSE 8.0 but I'm actually considering Red Hat for compatibility. SuSE's YaST Online Update is so brittle.
 
Comrade manly,

Thanks for your clarification! Maybe there's hope after all.

A few comments in reply, a little history, then a question or two if you wouldn't mind. You ask about Red Hat; I have the installation CDs for Red Hat 7.1, this distro having been my first foray into Linux. It went on the old system configuration without incident but I never really liked it, it felt "clunky" to me: There were some printer problems that were discouraging; I'd installed Gnome and later, deciding to get rid of it, found out about all of those daunting dependencies, this kind of thing. Last Fall, I zero-filled the drive and started over with SuSE 7.3 which I liked a lot. It seemed a lot cleaner and lighter and I actually got to the point where I was making a migration of my personal things, checking account, etc., to corresponding applications in SuSE 7.3. and there was a chess game that I liked that beat me all the time. But then I made the system changes and when I couldn't get SuSE 7.3 to install, I tried Red Hat 7.1 once again. It seemed to install flawlessly, but, starting it up after installation, it kept reverting from level 5, (I think it was level 5) to a lesser level and to display in single user mode, requesting the root password which, after I'd respond, would lead nowhere. No GUI, nothing. I'm hoping that I can get at least one disto to accept my new hardware. You can't boot DOS or Windows from a subordinate drive. Maybe it's God punishing me. 🙂

Anyway, the ftp idea should be tried and, yes, I have ADSL. How do I go about creating the boot disks that secure access to SuSE's ftp site? Your sense is that Red Hat is a better pick for compatibility? There have been problems with SuSE updates? Again, many thanks for your reply. I look forward to reading your follow-up.

Incidently, I'm recommending you for a Lenin prize and forwarding you a copy of my latest book, Tender Moments With Lavrenti Beria: A Softy Looks At His Life.

LavrentiBeria
 
Grab the boot floppy image off of SuSE's ftp server and use a program (dd for Unix-like systems or rawrite for Windows based systems) to put it on the floppy. When you boot off the floppy, it should be booting you into SuSE Linux (or atleast boot up from a linux kernel) and if you have the same problems, dont use it 🙂
 
Originally posted by: LavrentiBeria
Comrade n0cmonkey,

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Now as to socialism and the GPL, comrade n0cmonkey, you know, of course, that party member Vaseli Kavtesheko invented both the personal computer and whole concept of the GPL in 1951. By making the absurd claim that the GPL is of western origin, the Finnish troublemaker, Linus Torvalds, show how little gratitude he has for the heroic restoration of freedom in his country by the Red Army both in 1940 and 1944/45. I warn you, comrade n0cmonkey, provocations of the kind you make here will not escape the attentions of the Party and the security appartatus. You are skating on thin ice.

LavrentiBeria
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Linus never claimed to have created the GPL. I believe it was the FSF/GNU guys that came up with it.
 
Originally posted by: Tiger
It was the FSF/GNU guys.

Comrade Beria should fit in well with those guys.😉
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They're communists, he's socialist. Either way they are probably both full of liquor, hairy, and will not budge on their views no matter what 😉
 
Originally posted by: LavrentiBeria

Anyway, the ftp idea should be tried and, yes, I have ADSL. How do I go about creating the boot disks that secure access to SuSE's ftp site? Your sense is that Red Hat is a better pick for compatibility? There have been problems with SuSE updates? Again, many thanks for your reply. I look forward to reading your follow-up.
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Red Hat is the de facto standard, so 3rd party commercial software often is supported on Red Hat. SuSE is generally fairly compatible with Red Hat, so usually compatibility isn't a problem.

But as an example, right now VMware 3.1.1 has major problems on SuSE 8.0 and I read accounts that the reason is SuSE's customized kernel is to blame. Now there are some ways to deal with this problem (none satisfactory for me so far) but switching to Red Hat is one of the possibilities. The only reason I'm considering it now is because I just recently installed SuSE 8.0 so it wouldn't be too painful to start from scratch. Otherwise these days I resist OS installation as much as possible.

Since, as you suggested, Red Hat is a less user-friendly OS, I would be trading off some convenience in exchange for compatibility.

As far as SuSE updates, they aren't bad. They are probably as good as any Linux vendor. The only complaint I have is with the "user-friendly" YaST Online Update tool, which is weak. If you're willing to download packages and install them manually (which I usually am), then updating is fine.

To reiterate what n0cmonkey said, to install by FTP you'd download some floppy disk images. In the past, you'd need one bootable install disk and one (or more) modules disks. These images are available on any FTP mirror. You'd use either the Unix dd command, or a DOS rawrite program to write the image files to floppy diskettes.
 
Comrades,

Thanks for the reply, comrade manly. I've got an update for you and comrade n0cmonkey regarding the ftp site download.

I went to the SuSE site last night, downloaded their rawrite3 utility and all three of their accompanying modules, and made four disks. Happily, I was able to boot from my second drive without difficulty using these disks, something that had not been possible on my new hardware with the old 7.3 boot disk, and followed the appropriate prompts to the point that connection is attempted with the SuSE ftp site. The information provided by SuSE regarding proceedure at this point carried all the marks typical of Linux clarity: There was none. Several attempts failed for God knows what reason but I learned long ago to stick with computer problems until they cry uncle. So today I called SuSE customer service to get their ftp site's IP address. Just as you might have suspected, it did not even resemble the number given in the proceedural article. This is the future? Oy! Anyway, I'm going to keep trying until I've got 8.0 on this machine. So close but so far. I may need further help with this, comrades, so don't go away. I'll write again later.

Fraternal best wishes,

LavrentiBeria

 
Comrades n0cmonkey, manly & Tiger,

Comrade Stalin has asked me to announce that the three of you are to be named Heros of Socialist Labor at the next Party Congress. Further, you will be pleased to know that you are no longer under suspicion as ringleaders in the conspiracy of the Trotski-Bukharin parallel center. Why these acolades? Because your ideas and suggestions have made possible the successful installation of SuSE Linux 8.0 on comrade Beria's computer. Now the Commissariat of Internal Affairs will be able to keep up-to-date records of the activities of spys and counter-revolutionary traitors. You have served the revolution well.

LavrentiBeria

 
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