Susan Rice is who we thought she was

[agent00f]

We need to get you out of the house more.

Hallmark dumbshit blustering.

 

[cytg111]

(R.I.P. Dennis Green)

https://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/201...-hatchet-woman-proves-lord-acton-right-again/

Here's her lie

And for the sake of balance (shamelessly absent on this board) her explanation

But you just quoted it?
1. noone, not her not obama can order a tap.
2. noone, not her not obama can order an unmasking.
If trump actually showed up for these morning IC briefings he would know that.
She actually just damned whoever got unmasked.. cause unless this trump-person is making bombs or selling virgin blood an REQUEST for unmasking would be denied by IC.. So if Trump associate got tapped and unmasked that person is a shitbag you should worry about..

 

[boomerang]

I see we've got the usual cadre of simpletons in the thread arguing about what the meaning of 'is', is.

Rice, a few weeks ago plead ignorance of the entire matter. Now, she admits to unmasking but not leaking. This is the operative that spread the Benghazi video lie on all the Sunday morning talk shows. My prediction is that she'll end up in front of a Congressional committee where she'll plead the fifth on this.

Defenders of her look like fools because that's exactly what they are. Quit letting the media tell you what to think. And quit watching media that has chosen not to cover this story. Most importantly, try to develop a sense of pride that would preclude you from defending people and actions that are blatantly indefensible.

 

[cytg111]

I see we've got the usual cadre of simpletons in the thread arguing about what the meaning of 'is', is.

Rice, a few weeks ago plead ignorance of the entire matter. Now, she admits to unmasking but not leaking. This is the operative that spread the Benghazi video lie on all the Sunday morning talk shows. My prediction is that she'll end up in front of a Congressional committee where she'll plead the fifth on this.

Defenders of her look like fools because that's exactly what they are. Quit letting the media tell you what to think. And quit watching media that has chosen not to cover this story. Most importantly, try to develop a sense of pride that would preclude you from defending people and actions that are blatantly indefensible.

pleading ignorance ... got a source for that? Also, remember to apply this standard to everyone else you might know in office...
edit: Are we still on this two-end communication business? That Trump was wiretapped cause he dialed up someone under surveilance? She denied surveilance of Trump cause its true... no taps on Trump.. If trumps dials up his drugdealer then that is not a tap on trump.. thats a tap on the dealer. Shes not wrong? Has the world really gone stupid overnight?? wtf is going on???

 

[boomerang]

pleading ignorance ... got a source for that?

None other than video from PBS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sH0akjRDJsY

 

[amenx]

Fail.

Fuck off old man

Big cornerstone of critical thinking: consider the objectivity and historical accuracy of a source before trusting what it says, even if it provides snippets that at first appear to support its case. Evidence can be taken out of context, distorted or exaggerated.

And in this case, there is no objectivity and dubious past accuracy.

For someone who can only express in short, crude responses, that may be too much for him to take in .

 

[fskimospy]

None other than video from PBS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sH0akjRDJsY

Look who didn't even watch his own video. She says she didn't know exactly what Nunes was referring to (because he refused to say) but that Trump and/or his campaign weren't wiretapped, which was true. She then went on to explain how people who weren't being wiretapped could be swept up in incidental collection.

So everything she said was right and your description of what she said is either wrong because you're an idiot or wrong because you're a liar.

You're once again the easiest mark for conservative propaganda I know of. There's no one on this board more stupid and more easily duped, yet more convinced of his smarts than you.

 

[fskimospy]

For people who want to read what actual national security experts have to say instead of being duped by conservative media yet again:

http://www.businessinsider.com/susan-rice-trump-unmask-intelligence-wiretap-2017-4

National-security experts say Rice's reported requests to identify who was speaking with the foreign officials before Trump was inaugurated were neither unusual nor against the law - especially if, as Lake reported, the foreign officials being monitored were discussing "valuable political information" that required the identity of the people they were speaking to, or about, to be uncovered.

...

Pillar said that "an important thing to remember is that we are dealing with foreign intelligence - intelligence on Russian activities - and indeed, Russian activities that strike close to the heart of our democratic processes.

"We should be disturbed if whoever was in office was not keeping close tabs on that sort of thing," he said.

The lengths to which conservative media are apparently willing to go in order to defend Trump is just more evidence of the partisan sickness that has overtaken them. Trump said something stupid and instead of just admitting it they are trying to cast aspersions on the whole mechanism of national security. Party before country.

 

[snarfbot]

if you are defending this woman you are insane and you need help.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

For people who want to read what actual national security experts have to say instead of being duped by conservative media yet again:

http://www.businessinsider.com/susan-rice-trump-unmask-intelligence-wiretap-2017-4



The lengths to which conservative media are apparently willing to go in order to defend Trump is just more evidence of the partisan sickness that has overtaken them. Trump said something stupid and instead of just admitting it they are trying to cast aspersions on the whole mechanism of national security. Party before country.

People like Nunes give plenty of fodder for news outlets. Objectivity died with Walter Cronkite.

 

[fskimospy]

if you are defending this woman you are insane and you need help.

Please explain! We are all ears.

 

[sportage]

Sorry Charlie....
Nada gonna work any longer.
Trump is a traitor and distracting via tweeting isn't gonna get him out of this mess any longer.
The old bait and switch scheme is the fake news of the day, and EVERYONE are now paying close attention.
I.e. 17% approval rating.
So lets say a solid 17% are on board with Donnie T and suckered into his shenanigans. I'll give DT his 17%, not that it matters.
I mean, 17% also still believe the world is flat and believe Big Foot ate their cat.
So I'll give him his 17%.
Its those other 83% he better worry about...
His people should be a little concerned that the only wall going up is the wall separating Donnie from reality.
And Mexico isn't gonna to pay for that wall either.

 

[snarfbot]

Please explain! We are all ears.

you guys are focusing on the unmasking, trying to legitimize it with the following responses or similar variants:

Yes how dare the national security adviser want to know who was talking to the Russian ambassador and major spy recruiter.

yes she has the authority to identify participants in incidental spying, but she has to do it for reasons of national security and not in an an effort to influence an election, and most certainly not provide the information including logs to the press.

im sure you remember the donald trump is a russian puppet saga, bandied about on these forums still probably even now. who do you think the anonymous source in the intelligence community was? its looking pretty likely that it was susan rice, she probably printed the shit out and gave it to her husband who is an executive producer at abc and it got spread out from there. a big conspiracy to create fake news, real nice lady right?

and here you are defending her, why? its crazy.

 

[Thebobo]

you guys are focusing on the unmasking, trying to legitimize it with the following responses or similar variants:


yes she has the authority to identify participants in incidental spying, but she has to do it for reasons of national security and not in an an effort to influence an election, and most certainly not provide the information including logs to the press.

im sure you remember the donald trump is a russian puppet saga, bandied about on these forums still probably even now. who do you think the anonymous source in the intelligence community was? its looking pretty likely that it was susan rice, she probably printed the shit out and gave it to her husband who is an executive producer at abc and it got spread out from there. a big conspiracy to create fake news, real nice lady right?

and here you are defending her, why? its crazy.

Diversion diversion and more diversions.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

For the record I'm all for an either bipartisan or 9/11 style independent investigation. Just like I am for Trump/Russia

Too little info on Rice to make a decision but it's highly likely the "unmasking" was due to her job description

 

[snarfbot]

Diversion diversion and more diversions.

can you make a coherent argument? because what you said doesnt mean anything in context to my post.

 

[Thebobo]

can you make a coherent argument? because what you said doesnt mean anything in context to my post.

Yes I can, Diversion.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

PJ is a highly partisan conservative site with an axe to grind and a tenuous grasp on reality. You've been suckered, HTFOff.

Yeah...Rice never said those things nor changed her story! Fake videos! Yeah...that's the ticket!

 

[Victorian Gray]

I see we've got the usual cadre of simpletons in the thread arguing about what the meaning of 'is', is.

Rice, a few weeks ago plead ignorance of the entire matter. Now, she admits to unmasking but not leaking. This is the operative that spread the Benghazi video lie on all the Sunday morning talk shows. My prediction is that she'll end up in front of a Congressional committee where she'll plead the fifth on this.

Defenders of her look like fools because that's exactly what they are. Quit letting the media tell you what to think. And quit watching media that has chosen not to cover this story. Most importantly, try to develop a sense of pride that would preclude you from defending people and actions that are blatantly indefensible.

Absolutely hilarious. Pavlov would have loved working with you.

 

[snarfbot]

Yes I can, Diversion.

so susan rice used her authority to unmask the identities of us citizens caught up in incidental spying and leaked it to the press breaking the law, and then lied about it. to which your response is: "Diversion!"

your counterargument is profoundly weak then, and the only explanation would be that you're trolling or wearing very thick partisan blinders, either way the conversation is over.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

For the record I'm all for an either bipartisan or 9/11 style independent investigation. Just like I am for Trump/Russia

Too little info on Rice to make a decision but it's highly likely the "unmasking" was due to her job description

Possibly. But the broad dissemination of this info within the IC is curious as well. It smells.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

so susan rice used her authority to unmask the identities of us citizens caught up in incidental spying and leaked it to the press breaking the law, and then lied about it. to which your response is: "Diversion!"

your counterargument is profoundly weak then, and the only explanation would be that you're trolling or wearing very thick partisan blinders, either way the conversation is over.

Sorry she leaked it? Can you cite any proof of that? Are you basing this off your own feelings? As far as I know NOTHING that has been made available publicly from anyone states she leaked anything.

So yes. By stating false, sorry, alternative facts you are trying to divert.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

so susan rice used her authority to unmask the identities of us citizens caught up in incidental spying and leaked it to the press breaking the law, and then lied about it. to which your response is: "Diversion!"

your counterargument is profoundly weak then, and the only explanation would be that you're trolling or wearing very thick partisan blinders, either way the conversation is over.

We don't know that she leaked it to the press. But it wouldn't surprise me if she personally made the decision to broadly disseminate the information within the IC to effectively guarantee that it would be leaked.

 

[snarfbot]

Sorry she leaked it? Can you cite any proof of that? Are you basing this off your own feelings? As far as I know NOTHING that has been made available publicly from anyone states she leaked anything.

So yes. By stating false, sorry, alternative facts you are trying to divert.

yes she clearly did, the information went from her sole possession to the media so that is a foregone conclusion.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Sorry she leaked it? Can you cite any proof of that? Are you basing this off your own feelings? As far as I know NOTHING that has been made available publicly from anyone states she leaked anything.

So yes. By stating false, sorry, alternative facts you are trying to divert.

Yes, let's deal with the facts here. Did Rice change her story or not?