Surround sound questions

Pegun

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To start, it baffles the hell out of me that the forums have a video section and not audio...as a communications minor i would think video is MORE important that video.
But on with the topic:

So my Girlfriend said she'd spend 100 bucks for my b-day so im thinking maybe up to 150 to incorportate my own money. I'm looking at 5.1 and 4.1 systems from walmart and a couple other places and was wondering if anyone knew the difference between 100 watts total power vs per channel power, or is there a difference? Any good systems anyone can find to help me out. I have a 5 disc dvd (yes it is the greatest invention) player that can be used as a receiver for music and video so i dont need that. Two i've been looking at:

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product....&path=0%3A3944%3A3987%3A77622%3A105878

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product....&path=0%3A3944%3A3987%3A77622%3A105878
 

Wuzup101

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Generally 100 watts per channel means that each speaker is rated at 100 watts. Or more accurately I guess is that the reciever can put out 100 watts to each speaker. 100 watts total means that all the speakers combined will put out 100 watts, or that the reciever puts out 100 watts total to all the speakers. As for the speaker packages you linked I can't really comment on either of them. I'm sure someone here will have some better insight on that subject.
 

PurdueRy

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1. You will regret buying any surround sound system(non-computer) for $100. BIG mistake. I wouldn't go for a HT system unless you are willing invest at least $400-500 for speakers. Just my opinion though. It would be much better to buy good STEREO speakers and then buy more speakers and add on as you can afford them.

This is a good starting pair of stereo bookshelfs

2. Don't look at Watts for the most part. Its much like GHz for computers...sometimes its all marketing

3. "as a communications minor i would think video is MORE important that video. " - good thing its your minor ;) jk

 

YOyoYOhowsDAjello

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Don't even look at watts. In order to get a receiver that really puts out 100watts per channel you're looking at spending $400 before you get any speakers to attach to it.

So you're using a 5 disk dvd changer that has powered outputs and you need to connect speakers to it?

Do you know what model it is?

Is it rated at 100wattsx5?

I'm concerned a little because I'm thinking it might just have rca outputs that are decoded already for input to a receiver that has a 6 channel direct input. So there are places to put speaker wires in rather than rca cables?

I agree with rleemhui that getting a good quality set of stereo speaker would be better than getting a totally cheap 5.1 system like you'll find at walmart.

If you need to get a 5.1 system, get these. They will do much better than anything you can get at walmart.






 

Pegun

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I have this dvd player: http://www.bombayelectronics.com/DVD/Akai/9500.html. I has surround sound outputs on the back so im not sure if it can be used as a receiver. I'm not really looking for a high tech surround sound system, just something to experiment with until i get the decent amount of money to get a better receiver than my old stereo one. Thanks for the help guys!
 

PurdueRy

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you would still need a receiver. Chances are they are 5.1 outs which doesn't really help you much. Still needs to be amplified
 

airfoil

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Get one of these.

5.1 is definitely worth it IMO, assuming you have the space to hook everything up and can deal with the mess of wires.
 

YOyoYOhowsDAjello

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Could you tell us what the back of yours looks like?

I went to the Akai homepage and it was no help :p

The site you linked to didn't list any sort of 5.1 output that I could see besides a digital 5.1 out.

Does it have 6 RCA jacks in the back? (Center, FL, FR, SR, SL, Sub/LFE)

The site you linked to only mentioned stereo RCA output from what I could tell.

If I'm wrong and it does have 6 RCA jacks, you could get that system airfoil linked to. All you would need are some RCA to 1/8" converters like these. You'd need 3 of them and then 6 RCA cables to run from the DVD player to the speakers.

The difference between those computer speakers and the ones you were looking at before is that the computer speakers are powered. Actually... looking back at the ones you linked to, the $45 one might be powered too. The other one isn't because it lists the impedence of the speakers.

If you go to walmart and look at these system, you want something that has all the inputs on the subwoofer and then all the speakers connect to it to be powered. If the subwoofer is not powering the speakers, then you need an amp or receiver to power the satellite speakers. The sub powered satellites is how a computer speaker 5.1 setup is designed.

All this so far is dependent on your DVD player having already decoded the sound and it has 6 RCA jacks in the back corresponding to 5.1 sound.

If that's the case, I think you would do well getting a set of computer speakers like airfoil mentioned. If you're ok with refurbished stuff, you can get them for $95 shipped from Justdeals. That set will be much better than your average HTIB set that costs $100.



Ok, all that being said.... you might not actually have the type of connection needed for that.

If your 5.1 output is digital, you'll need something to decode it.

This can be solved best by 2 ways.
1. Get a set of computer speakers with a built in decoder
2. Get a Hometheater in a box (HTIB)
3. Get a receiver that will decode it and then a set of unpowered HT speakers



For option #1. You could go as cheap as refub z-680s for $166. These will be better than anything I listed above in this post.
You could also go new with this, or get a higher end set of speakers. I think Logitech is pretty much the only computer speaker company offering this right now. (Somebody let me know if I'm wrong) You can get refurb z-5500s for $220 or go new with them for ~$270.

For option #2. There are a lot of really crappy HTIB sets. Amazingly bad. Honestly, I think you're better off with computer speakers until you get up to the ~$400 or ~$500 range where you can get an entry level Onkyo HTIB.

For option #3. You have the most upgradability here. You can get a decent refurbished receiver from denon or onkyo for $150 and then add a pair of bookshelf speakers to start with. If you have then intension of adding more to your sound system later, this could be a great option for you. If you get one of the sets above, you pretty much have to start from scratch if you want something better. In the case of option #3, as time goes on, you can add a nice center channel by the same company you got the bookshelf speakers from. After that you can add a nice subwoofer to the mix. After that, you can get a nicer pair of bookshelf speakers by the same company or some floorstanders and move your first set of bookshelf speakers to the rear for surrounds.

With option #3 you'll end up spending more for your final system but you'll have more options, the cost will be spread out, and you'll have a nicer system in the end if you put some money into it.


If you have any other questions or need help figuring out what kind of connections you have on your DVD player, let me know.