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Surrogacy should be illegal

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DougoMan

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Am I the only one that thinks surrogacy is messed up?

Though it may help some families that cannot conceive, increasingly it is just used by rich women who do not want to undergo the pain and bodily wear that comes from giving birth.

I do not see how it is any different than paying someone for a kidney or liver. They both carry serious risks. I would not be surprised if childbirth were actually more dangerous.

The surrogates usually agree never to see the babies they give birth to again. In fact couples, like one a nurse friend of mine dealt with the other day, actually travel great distances to make sure they will be out of reach of their surrogates.
 
DougoMan said:
increasingly it is just used by rich women who do not want to undergo the pain and bodily wear that comes from giving birth.
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Any studies or stats to support this or is this just another rant against rich people?
 
what consenting adults choose do with their bodies should be of no concern to you.

suggesting making something illegal because you don't like it is retarded.
 
I say it's a free market. The last thing we need is the government making up more rules for us. If one has the money and can find a willing surrogate, what's the big deal?

I also think a person ought have the right to sell their body parts.
 
DougoMan said:
increasingly it is just used by rich women who do not want to undergo the pain and bodily wear that comes from giving birth.
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So what the fuck is wrong with that? Why do you have a problem with women who want kids but don't want to jack up their bodies?
 
"
Usually if someone says, "There ought to be a law...", there shouldn't be one.
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-Penn Jillette
 
DougoMan said:
Am I the only one that thinks surrogacy is messed up?

Though it may help some families that cannot conceive, increasingly it is just used by rich women who do not want to undergo the pain and bodily wear that comes from giving birth.

I do not see how it is any different than paying someone for a kidney or liver. They both carry serious risks. I would not be surprised if childbirth were actually more dangerous.

The surrogates usually agree never to see the babies they give birth to again. In fact couples, like one a nurse friend of mine dealt with the other day, actually travel great distances to make sure they will be out of reach of their surrogates.
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Derp derp. Are you serious? Women been birthing babies since the dawn of man, they are made to do it. Yet it's more dangerous than an organ transplant?
 
DougoMan said:
Am I the only one that thinks surrogacy is messed up?

Though it may help some families that cannot conceive, increasingly it is just used by rich women who do not want to undergo the pain and bodily wear that comes from giving birth.

I do not see how it is any different than paying someone for a kidney or liver. They both carry serious risks. I would not be surprised if childbirth were actually more dangerous.

The surrogates usually agree never to see the babies they give birth to again. In fact couples, like one a nurse friend of mine dealt with the other day, actually travel great distances to make sure they will be out of reach of their surrogates.
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Any other ethical or moral viewpoints you wish to legislate while you are at it?
 
DougoMan said:
I do not see how it is any different than paying someone for a kidney or liver.
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Have kidneys or livers evolved to be expelled from your body? Are you just as healthy without them? No. That's the difference. This sounds like an emotional complaint rather than a reasonable one.

You should ask yourself what is really bothering you. Is it just that it's not traditional?
 
Surrogacy can cause a huge legal mess. I knew the girl involved in the Baby M case that eventually led to the NJ SC banning surrogacy and she mentioned how much of a mess it made her early life. There's more to think about here than just a contract between two adults but what the child being created by such a contract is going to experience in their lives as a result. Granted, that's only one such situation where it went wrong.
 
Lots of things in this world are messed up - and you pick out surrogacy to rant about? You're allowed, of course, but I'm curious why you chose that as a topic right now?
 
HardcoreRobot said:
what consenting adults choose do with their bodies should be of no concern to you.

suggesting making something illegal because you don't like it is retarded.
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I agree, but at some point dangling money in front of poor people to have them do dangerous things crosses from consenting adults to exploitation. I'm not sure the surrogate business is there though.
 
crownjules said:
Surrogacy can cause a huge legal mess. I knew the girl involved in the Baby M case that eventually led to the NJ SC banning surrogacy and she mentioned how much of a mess it made her early life. There's more to think about here than just a contract between two adults but what the child being created by such a contract is going to experience in their lives as a result. Granted, that's only one such situation where it went wrong.
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i read that case
 
crownjules said:
Surrogacy can cause a huge legal mess. I knew the girl involved in the Baby M case that eventually led to the NJ SC banning surrogacy and she mentioned how much of a mess it made her early life. There's more to think about here than just a contract between two adults but what the child being created by such a contract is going to experience in their lives as a result. Granted, that's only one such situation where it went wrong.
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Standard pregnancy can be a huge legal mess. I knew a kid that was born into a family and he was subjected to physical and mental abuse.

Granted, that is only one situation where it went wrong. 😉
 
MotF Bane said:
Have at it.
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I may be horribly off base here but wasn't it Iran or some other middle eastern country that legalized the sale of organs from one consenting individual to another? Yup here it is on Wiki (i know i know, not the most accurate of sites):

"In Iran the practice of selling one's kidney for profit is legal. Iran currently has no wait lists for Kidney transplantation.[10] Kidney sales are legal and regulated. The Charity Association for the Support of Kidney Patients (CASKP) and the Charity Foundation for Special Diseases (CFSD) control the trade of organs with the support of the government. The organizations match donors to recipients, setting up tests to ensure compatibility. The amounts paid to the donor vary in Iran but the average figures are $1200 for kidney donation.[11] Employment opportunities are also offered in some cases."

Sure there's ALWAYS the propensity to abuse a system but when the benefits far outweigh the minority abusers, i say go at it. I actually agree with the sale of organs rather than this whole volunteering business.
 
MotF Bane said:
No, it should not be. An agreement between two consenting adults is absolutely none of your business.
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Ok, then I hope you support prostitution and the sale of organs for profit.

The fact is that both of these activities prey on poor people.



Infohawk said:
Have kidneys or livers evolved to be expelled from your body? Are you just as healthy without them? No. That's the difference. This sounds like an emotional complaint rather than a reasonable one.
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You could not be more wrong about all of this.

First off, having one kidney is not a very big deal.

Secondly, a liver transplant does not involve removing your liver. They cut a portion out of it and it grows back.

Finally, if you think childbirth is safe, you are INSANE. Before modern medicine, it was the number one cause of death for women. You would be amazed how common it was to die during childbirth. So to say that because it is natural that it is safe, is absolutely absurd.

It is obviously safer today, but a lot of women still die from childbirth.

Also, there are lasting physical effects that I would argue are probably worse than getting a kidney or liver removed. At least when you are done with those, you do not show any wear and tear on your body.

Once you have given birth, developing hemorrhoids and no longer being able to control your bladder are not at all uncommon.

Not to mention weight gain. Almost all women never return to their pre-pregnancy weight and you should be well aware of the role that obesity plays in disease.

That was an easy one.



lxskllr said:
Some people(me) don't like doing car work, so they pay someone else to do it. No difference.
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Seriously?



OCGuy said:
Hey OP, why don't you fuck off and mind your own business?
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Why don't you learn some manners and debate in a civilized fashion. Though it is apparent you do not have anything intelligent to add anyhow.
 
DougoMan said:
Why don't you learn some manners and debate in a civilized fashion. Though it is apparent you do not have anything intelligent to add anyhow.
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Your "idea" doesn't merit a serious response. If you want to legislate morality, go do it in another country.

Eatabagofdicks.
 
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