surgery on girl raises ethical questions

[rodneyxiii]

I read the articvle and couldn't believe it. The parents' try to sound as if they're being practical but it just seems wrong to perform the surgery just to keep her looking like a child.

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[RollWave]

Well I think in this case its the right thing to do. When the kid gets too big/heavy, theres no way they could handle caring for her at home. I wouldnt want to send a kid of any kind to a disabled persons caring facility if I could in any way make it so the child could stay home with me.

 

[SampSon]

I think a more trying ethical question is: Why are people with severe disabilities kept alive?

 

[91TTZ]

I hate to say it, but why even keep someone like this alive? They're never going to be able to function. She can't even walk or talk or think. Is keeping someone like this alive for 70 years really the right thing to do?

 

[Inspector Jihad]

yeah, i have a similar situation in my family. my cousin has many problems such as ADD along with other forms of mental disabilities. my aunt, uncle and grandmother take care of him, but he's getting too big for my aunt and grandmother to handle him. he's a good kid but he doesnt realize how big he has become and he is only contained by my uncle. His little sister also has problems dealing with him, because he does things which she cannot control.

So while I dont think these parents are doing the right thing, I kinda understand where they are coming from. Its very difficult to be around someone who you want to help and take care of, but arent able to becuase you just cant control them.

 

[SsupernovaE]

Originally posted by: SampSon
I think a more trying ethical question is: Why are people with severe disabilities kept alive?

How would you define severe?

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
I hate to say it, but why even keep someone like this alive? They're never going to be able to function. She can't even walk or talk or think. Is keeping someone like this alive for 70 years really the right thing to do?

because it's their daughter. it's ridiculous to suggest that her parents not keep her alive.

this one's a tough one... it seems unethical, but at the same time, it doesn't. i think the article slants it more towards the unethical side... it almost seemed as if the article was suggesting that the parents ONLY wanted to put their child through these procedures because they wanted to keep her their little "pillow angel"... i think that they honestly think that this is what's best for their child's wellbeing.

 

[TheRyuu]

It's their business. Why must other people start getting involved.

Then, the media gets on it. It just goes from bad to worse.

 

[randay]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
I hate to say it, but why even keep someone like this alive? They're never going to be able to function. She can't even walk or talk or think. Is keeping someone like this alive for 70 years really the right thing to do?

You can't answer that question. Her parents can.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: wizboy11
It's their business. Why must other people start getting involved.

Then, the media gets on it. It just goes from bad to worse.

yup

 

[Wheezer]

Originally posted by: SampSon
I think a more trying ethical question is: Why are people with severe disabilities kept alive?

define severe disabilities.

Remember opinions are subjective and who are you or anyone else to define what is or is not a severe disability for another human being?

Someone may view blindness as a severe disability or being deaf or confined to a wheelchair, without a leg or arm....I mean let me know exactly where the line should be drawn here.

keeping in mind that anystatement you make is an opinion and as the saying goes;

"opinions are like a$$holes...eveybody has one"

 

[JS80]

wow to you guys who are suggesting murdering a human being because he is disabled. very hitleresque.

 

[TheRyuu]

Originally posted by: JS80
wow to you guys who are suggesting murdering a human being because he is disabled. very hitleresque.

My thoughts too.
I don't have a problem with what they did. It's their decision to make.

But murder them???
That would probably bring it over the line (by a lot).

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: eits

because it's their daughter. it's ridiculous to suggest that her parents not keep her alive.
.

What if someone had a kid that was nothing more than a glob of meat with a heart? It would technically still be a person, but obviously not a functioning one.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: randay

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
I hate to say it, but why even keep someone like this alive? They're never going to be able to function. She can't even walk or talk or think. Is keeping someone like this alive for 70 years really the right thing to do?

You can't answer that question. Her parents can.

Her parents may be idiots. Look at Terri Shiavo's parents. Her brain atrophied until it was nothing, yet her parents kept claiming that she was getting better.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: JS80
wow to you guys who are suggesting murdering a human being because he is disabled. very hitleresque.

BAN for bringing up Hitler in a thread. Seriously, are you kids programmed to cry "hitler!" when you hear something you don't like, or what?

That girl is never going to be a functioning human being. She's a vegetable.

 

[randay]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: randay

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
I hate to say it, but why even keep someone like this alive? They're never going to be able to function. She can't even walk or talk or think. Is keeping someone like this alive for 70 years really the right thing to do?

You can't answer that question. Her parents can.

Her parents may be idiots. Look at Terri Shiavo's parents. Her brain atrophied until it was nothing, yet her parents kept claiming that she was getting better.

that really doesn't make any difference my friend.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: JS80
wow to you guys who are suggesting murdering a human being because he is disabled. very hitleresque.

BAN for bringing up Hitler in a thread. Seriously, are you kids programmed to cry "hitler!" when you hear something you don't like, or what?

That girl is never going to be a functioning human being. She's a vegetable.

threatning bans is very hitlersque also.

 

[dquan97]

P&N

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: randay

that really doesn't make any difference my friend.

Some people are not capable of holding back their emotions in order to make a rational decision.

I understand that people are upset that their kid was born with serious problems. But sometimes it won't get any better and you're left to accept that fact. Some people can never accept reality, and they'll continue living in a dream world forever.

I think this girl illustrates such a case. She's severely brain damaged and will never develop mentally past the point of being an infant. Her parents have gotten so used to this that they treat her like an infant, and are trying to keep her an infant. It's not going to happen. They need to come to terms with the fact that she's going to be a severely braindamaged adult someday.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: eits

because it's their daughter. it's ridiculous to suggest that her parents not keep her alive.
.

What if someone had a kid that was nothing more than a glob of meat with a heart? It would technically still be a person, but obviously not a functioning one.

yeah, you're right... i was so silly to suggest that loving parents should do what's in their heart in regards to the best interest of their child, family, AND their own personal/emotional stability. what was i thinking?

 

[SampSon]

Originally posted by: SsupernovaE

Originally posted by: SampSon
I think a more trying ethical question is: Why are people with severe disabilities kept alive?

How would you define severe?

Well, this girl can't walk, talk, think, or grow properly. 99% of the cattle in America are more productive than this pile of artificially stunted human will ever be.

Her parents even called her their "pillow angel"? A fvcking PILLOW ANGEL??!?!!? This is simply sick, and I'm one of the most disaffected humans ever. It's akin to breeding pocket sized dogs and showing them off. Here are some excerpts taken from their site:

Now nine years old, Ashley cannot keep her head up, roll or change her sleeping position, hold a toy, or sit up by herself, let alone walk or talk. She is tube fed and depends on her caregivers in every way. We call her our ?Pillow Angel? since she is so sweet and stays right where we place her?usually on a pillow.
Aww, she's so CUTE, she matches our new furniture PERFECTLY. If we decide to remodel we can just dip her in a vat of tattoo ink and dye her to match.

I can't even paste anymore, I would end up cutting and pasting the entire contents. So go read this sick crap.

I can imagine that it's devastating to have a child, if you want to call it that, so incredibly disabled. I hope I never have to deal with that. Moreso I hope for the childs sake it doesn't happen, because I will absolutely let darwin take it.

Wheezer: Yes I understand what opinions are, thank you for the reminder. I also am not implying I am one to say what anyone should do with their children. So you and everyone else can stop with the stereotypical knee-jerk reactions of "who are you to judge or tell people how they should live". Also a quick thanks for setting up a catch 22 question, your incredible understanding of logic leads me to believe you're a mathy.


I would define severe disability as someone who has absolutely NO capacity to keep themselves alive.

 

[randay]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: randay

that really doesn't make any difference my friend.

Some people are not capable of holding back their emotions in order to make a rational decision.

I understand that people are upset that their kid was born with serious problems. But sometimes it won't get any better and you're left to accept that fact. Some people can never accept reality, and they'll continue living in a dream world forever.

I think this girl illustrates such a case. She's severely brain damaged and will never develop mentally past the point of being an infant. Her parents have gotten so used to this that they treat her like an infant, and are trying to keep her an infant. It's not going to happen. They need to come to terms with the fact that she's going to be a severely braindamaged adult someday.

I agree and I understand also. But that has nothing to do with your original question.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: eits

yeah, you're right... i was so silly to suggest that loving parents should do what's in their heart in regards to the best interest of their child, family, AND their own personal/emotional stability. what was i thinking?

You weren't thinking- that's the problem.

You have such liberal beliefs that you're completely an emotional thinker and not a logical thinker. Rational decisions aren't going to made by you, plain and simple. Leave the thinking up to people with a fully functioning brain (and that cancels out your ultra-lib friends).

 

[iamwiz82]

So what exactly happens when the parents die? Who takes care of her?