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Interesting article:
http://arstechnica.com/securit...in-pwn2own-contest.ars

Its pretty damn impresive that chrome is so new and its so secure. I had no idea it had any type of sandboxing protection. I knew IE7 came out with sandbox protection but it only worked with Vista x64 if i remember correctly. Apparently it wasn't enough 😉. They also don't tell you exactly the version of browswer/os they were using in each instance. Its to bad because i'm interested if they were using like the latest verison of ie..8 or were they using ie7. Were they using the latest version of firefox or were the using a beta? Were the using a chrome beta?

Its also interesting, at the end of the article, one of the hackers states that windows is harder to hack than OSX. Kind of suprising. OSX has a FreeBSD Core. They don't compare it to linux which is to bad.

Ncage
 
Ya i don't think i will ever leave firefox because of so many reasons:
adblock
scriptblock
flashblock
....haha yes i block everything
cookiesafe
...and all the other wonderful extensions i have

It might be exploitable but its pretty damn stable. A lot more stable that ie (at least than it used to be)
Its not the fastest but it is fast
 
I actually dug a little bit and found out they were using IE8. Microsoft has already confirmed the exploit they used to crack ie8 and is going to release a patch. Damn one day out and you already have a 0 day exploit. thats got to suck!!! Whats also interesting is no one could crack any of the mobile systems (blackberry, android, ect..). I'm curious how these hacker types can find these exploits so quickly.
 
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
I have recently become an Opera convert.
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I use firefox because of the nifty plugins and such, but I keep Opera as an alt. Opera seems faster to me, but its not worth it cause I like mah plugins
 
I'm a dedicated Chrome user. I'm curious about this competition though. How do they define "exploit". When it says you need to be able to execute arbitrary code, well that's pretty damn interesting. Is that accurate? I'm surprised exploits that allow arbitrary code execution even exist in today's browsers. That's scary stuff.

Edit - I'm also curious about what vectors they are allowed to use for attack. Do they just need to have a website running some javascript, and the browser just visits that site and gets exploited? Or is there a more sophisticated attack method where they can actively attack a user's IP address or something? I really don't know anything about this stuff but it's interesting.
 
Originally posted by: MotF Bane
I don't see Opera included in the test. The test fails.
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Chrome overtook Opera's market share within days of launching. Opera's market share is barely above the margin for error. It's an irrelevant footnote in the browser world.
 
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Originally posted by: MotF Bane
I don't see Opera included in the test. The test fails.
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Chrome overtook Opera's market share within days of launching. Opera's market share is barely above the margin for error. It's an irrelevant footnote in the browser world.
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Wouldn't that make it less of a target for hackers? Assuming it has good security to begin with.
 
Originally posted by: ZzZGuy
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Originally posted by: MotF Bane
I don't see Opera included in the test. The test fails.
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Chrome overtook Opera's market share within days of launching. Opera's market share is barely above the margin for error. It's an irrelevant footnote in the browser world.
Click to expand...

Wouldn't that make it less of a target for hackers? Assuming it has good security to begin with.
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Sure, but it also means no one gives a shit. Opera fans are noisy but their browser is irrelevant. They're like the Ron Paul fans of the browser world.
 
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Originally posted by: MotF Bane
I don't see Opera included in the test. The test fails.
Click to expand...

Chrome overtook Opera's market share within days of launching. Opera's market share is barely above the margin for error. It's an irrelevant footnote in the browser world.
Click to expand...

An irrelevant footnote with some of the best rendering and security capabilities of any browsers. That doesn't quite add up.
 
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Originally posted by: ZzZGuy
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Originally posted by: MotF Bane
I don't see Opera included in the test. The test fails.
Click to expand...

Chrome overtook Opera's market share within days of launching. Opera's market share is barely above the margin for error. It's an irrelevant footnote in the browser world.
Click to expand...

Wouldn't that make it less of a target for hackers? Assuming it has good security to begin with.
Click to expand...

Sure, but it also means no one gives a shit. Opera fans are noisy but their browser is irrelevant. They're like the Ron Paul fans of the browser world.
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Show of hands which of the Opera users here went and converted to Chrome? Show of hands who didn't...

I'm guessing Opera is still pretty relevant to Opera users. I don't think it's proactively shoved in people's faces like FF or even Chrome so it seems it's all fine whatever the Opera share may be. I certainly don't care.
 
Originally posted by: MotF Bane
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Originally posted by: MotF Bane
I don't see Opera included in the test. The test fails.
Click to expand...

Chrome overtook Opera's market share within days of launching. Opera's market share is barely above the margin for error. It's an irrelevant footnote in the browser world.
Click to expand...

An irrelevant footnote with some of the best rendering and security capabilities of any browsers. That doesn't quite add up.
Click to expand...

But that's not the point! It doesn't matter how good or bad it is, because no one cares. We're just all getting tired of rabid Opera fans busting into every browser thread with their boring and tired sales pitch like fucking Amway members. Just stop it, no one cares!
 
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Sure, but it also means no one gives a shit. Opera fans are noisy but their browser is irrelevant. They're like the Ron Paul fans of the browser world.
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Finally, someone has presented an excellent reason to try Opera!

 
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Originally posted by: MotF Bane
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Originally posted by: MotF Bane
I don't see Opera included in the test. The test fails.
Click to expand...

Chrome overtook Opera's market share within days of launching. Opera's market share is barely above the margin for error. It's an irrelevant footnote in the browser world.
Click to expand...

An irrelevant footnote with some of the best rendering and security capabilities of any browsers. That doesn't quite add up.
Click to expand...

But that's not the point! It doesn't matter how good or bad it is, because no one cares. We're just all getting tired of rabid Opera fans busting into every browser thread with their boring and tired sales pitch like fucking Amway members. Just stop it, no one cares!
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This is a browser thread, and Opera is a browser. Ergo, Opera has just as much place here as any other browser. Why the special hatred? You clearly care enough to bash Opera, for whatever reason you may have.
 
Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Sure, but it also means no one gives a shit. Opera fans are noisy but their browser is irrelevant. They're like the Ron Paul fans of the browser world.
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Finally, someone has presented an excellent reason to try Opera!
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:laugh:
 
I'm actually surprised Opera is not more popular tbh. I don't use it personally as my main browser, but I don't really mind it. One feature I do love is the ability to edit a live web page and reload it. Great for testing form security, such as making sure you have proper server side checks for forms. Obviously editing a page live only edits for you, but the way the browser handles it is as if it was done online.

I think one of the biggest security issues with browsers is javascript. It seems everyone and their dog uses javascript to code even the simplest web sites, so it forces you to enable it just to use the internet. I remember the days where you could just disable it and protect yourself from 90%+ of exploits.
 
Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
I'm actually surprised Opera is not more popular tbh. I don't use it personally as my main browser, but I don't really mind it. One feature I do love is the ability to edit a live web page and reload it. Great for testing form security, such as making sure you have proper server side checks for forms. Obviously editing a page live only edits for you, but the way the browser handles it is as if it was done online.

I think one of the biggest security issues with browsers is javascript. It seems everyone and their dog uses javascript to code even the simplest web sites, so it forces you to enable it just to use the internet. I remember the days where you could just disable it and protect yourself from 90%+ of exploits.
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Yep and exactly why scriptblock is your friend 🙂
 
Yeah I use script block and it's great. I tend to have to enable it for every site I visit but I can see exactly which urls use js so anything that looks like an ad company I don't as it could be a popup or some other crap.
 
I've used Opera since it went free. I like it. Chrome was ok I guess. I like FF for addblock, that's it really. So I pretty much use Opera 99% of the time.
 
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