Supreme Court refuses to block Texas abortion restrictions

[nehalem256]

How many women in Texas die in abortion clinics? In the last five years, zero (source). Since 2000, 10. 865,000 abortions, 10 deaths in 13 years. And this is about safety? You're either lying or you don't understand math.

How many people were killed with a grenade launcher...

Yet apparently having a grenade launcher mount makes a gun a dangerous assault weapon that must be banned 😀
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_weapons_ban

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

So what you are saying is that the system they had before the law was passed was working just fine.

Because, while complications can happen no matter what, this law does nothing to prevent or minimize those complications.

If you think a background check doesn't address the gun violence issue we have in this country than surely you can agree that requiring admitting privaliges or any of the other restrictions to abortions this law puts in place, doesn't address the issue it claims to address.

The AMA believes that all physicians performing office-based surgery must have admitting privileges at a nearby hospital, a transfer agreement with another physician who has admitting privileges at a nearby hospital, or maintain an emergency transfer agreement with a nearby hospital. Why should abortion clinic doctors performing outpatient surgery not be required to confirm to this requirement? On what basis would you justify granting an exception solely to abortion clinic doctors performing surgical abortions?

 

[Texashiker]

How many women in Texas die in abortion clinics? In the last five years, zero (source). Since 2000, 10. 865,000 abortions, 10 deaths in 13 years. And this is about safety? You're either lying or you don't understand math.

To use the democrats argument on gun control, if this law can save one life, isn't it worth it?

When the forces more clinics to shut down, exactly where do you think women will be going?

So clinics would rather shut down then comply with the law?

This leaves me to ask, what kind of doctors were terminating the pregnancies? Where were the doctors from that they did not have admitting privileges at a local hospital?

Were they licensed doctors at all?

I'm just curious, did you think prohibition was a good idea too?

No.

 

[zinfamous]

Yes, I do.

When a hair salon has more regulations that an abortion provider, something is wrong.

If a woman wishes to terminate a pregnancy, fine. But do it with a licensed provider that can take care of the woman if something goes wrong.

Do we really want women going to back alley clinics?

Honestly, I'm not sure if you are even mentally invested in these issues. This is exactly what happens when you push to make abortion illegal.

and this is exactly what you and these bassackwards bills are trying to do.

You aren't fooling anyone, so stop pretending to be naive.

 

[Texashiker]

Honestly, I'm not sure if you are even mentally invested in these issues. This is exactly what happens when you push to make abortion illegal.

and this is exactly what you and these bassackwards bills are trying to do.

You aren't fooling anyone, so stop pretending to be naive.

This law does not make abortion illegal, it makes the procedure safe.

For the clinics that closed, where were those doctors from that they did not have admitting privileges?

Were the "doctors" at those clinics even doctors at all, or did they complete a weekend crash course on abortion?

Do you have children? Would you want your wife giving birth at a clinic or a hospital to give birth? Then why should a woman go to a back alley clinic to terminate a pregnancy?

 

[nehalem256]

The AMA believes that all physicians performing office-based surgery must have admitting privileges at a nearby hospital, a transfer agreement with another physician who has admitting privileges at a nearby hospital, or maintain an emergency transfer agreement with a nearby hospital. Why should abortion clinic doctors performing outpatient surgery not be required to confirm to this requirement? On what basis would you justify granting an exception solely to abortion clinic doctors performing surgical abortions?

Clearly the AMA has been infiltrated by evil right-wing Christians ()🙂

 

[dmcowen674]

Supreme Court refuses to block Texas abortion restrictions


Texas, in its effort to protect the health of women passed a new abortion law. But for some reason pro-abortion groups have challenged the law.

Planned parenthood asked the US supreme court to hear the case, but the request was denied.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...exas-abortion-restrictions/?intcmp=latestnews

What is the big deal about requiring abortion providers to have admitting privileges at a local hospital?

It seems to me that simple stuff such as hair salons have more restrictions than abortion providers.

If organizations like planned parenthood truly cared about womens health, why the uproar?

What are you 12?

 

[Texashiker]

What are you 12?

I am 45 years old, 4 kids, 4 step kids, and 13 grand kids.

 

[brycejones]

Do you have children? Would you want your wife giving birth at a clinic or a hospital to give birth? Then why should a woman go to a back alley clinic to terminate a pregnancy?

What do you think is going to happen in those areas where there is no clinic for hundreds of miles now?

 

[sandorski]

Freedom!! Woot!!

Except Vaginas, that shit should have a warning Tattoo on it. The Woman certainly can't be trusted with it.

 

[Texashiker]

What do you think is going to happen in those areas where there is no clinic for hundreds of miles now?

The woman will have to go to a real doctor, receive real medical care from a licensed physician and at a real hospital.

 

[SirStev0]

Having admitting privileges isn't just a walk into the Execs office and a handshake with plans to golf sunday... It is a drawn out process full of legal bullshit. Many Doctors do not have "admitting" privileges at hospitals because frankly they don't want nor need them.
There is zero reason this should be required.
Not to mention, most specialist don't admit anyway. Many hospitals have paid employees called Hospitalist's who sole job is Admitting/Managing during the hospital course.

Another law by a bunch of jerkoff's who have no comprehension of the medical system. This is how we got the Health Care Reform bill.

 

[SirStev0]

Clearly the AMA has been infiltrated by evil right-wing Christians ()🙂

What the AMA says and what this law says are two completely different things. I can not imagine these clinics don't have Emergency agreements with nearby hospitals. That is very common.
Admitting privileges are a completely different monster.

 

[nehalem256]

Freedom!! Woot!!

Except Vaginas, that shit should have a warning Tattoo on it. The Woman certainly can't be trusted with it.

Question: If women can be trusted with their vaginas why are there so many government programs to pay for the choices they make with their vaginas? :hmm:

 

[Nebor]

This leaves me to ask, what kind of doctors were terminating the pregnancies? Where were the doctors from that they did not have admitting privileges at a local hospital?

Were they licensed doctors at all?

OB\GYNs are the doctors performing the abortions. Usually they have a private practice and then contract with the clinics a few days a week (the weekends are, for obvious reasons, the busiest days of the week.) The pay is excellent (up to $10,000 a weekend.)

They don't have admitting privileges because they're located in areas where the only hospital are religious institutions or otherwise very conservative, and refuse to grant abortionists admitting privileges. The legislators that passed this bill knew that was the case across most of rural Texas, and that's why the bill is unconstitutional: it aims to completely cut off women in most of the state from access to abortion.

 

[Texashiker]

and that's why the bill is unconstitutional: it aims to completely cut off women in most of the state from access to abortion.

That is not true, and you know it.

Women can still have their pregnancies terminated, just in a safe manner.

States have the right to pass laws that protect public health. And this new law is about protecting the health of the woman.

 

[Nebor]

That is not true, and you know it.

Women can still have their pregnancies terminated, just in a safe manner.

States have the right to pass laws that protect public health. And this new law is about protecting the health of the woman.

They weren't unsafe before. The mortality rates have already been posted in this thread. Compared to a number of more common procedures (lap band for instance,) abortion has been extremely safe.

The bill will shutter rurally accessible abortion clinics, leaving the women most likely to get an abortion (poor, underprivileged) with no access. They already have to come up with at least $400 for the procedure, and now the state is trying to force them to drive long distances, with serious cost & discretion consequences.

Discussing "abortion regulation" with pro-lifers is akin to discussing gun control with gun grabbers: You want abortion to be banned, and you'll get there inch by inch if that's the only way to do it. Your claims of caring about the safety of the mother (who you consider to be a murderer) are laughably transparent.

 

[Texashiker]

Discussing "abortion regulation" with pro-lifers is akin to discussing gun control with gun grabbers: You want abortion to be banned, and you'll get there inch by inch if that's the only way to do it. Your claims of caring about the safety of the mother (who you consider to be a murderer) are laughably transparent.

To use the democrats argument on gun control - if this law can save just one life, then it is worth it.

Hopefully this law will save a lot of lives.

 

[Nebor]

To use the democrats argument on gun control - if this law can save just one life, then it is worth it.

Hopefully this law will save a lot of lives.

Uhuh. I have to assume you're talking about the lives of unwanted babies.

I remain confident that we'll see sections of this law struck down in January when it goes up for appeal in the 5th circuit.

 

[brycejones]

To use the democrats argument on gun control - if this law can save just one life, then it is worth it.

Hopefully this law will save a lot of lives.

So that argument for gun control is equally valid in your eyes now?

 

[Texashiker]

Uhuh. I have to assume you're talking about the lives of unwanted babies.

You do know Texas has a baby Moses law right?

I remain confident that we'll see sections of this law struck down in January when it goes up for appeal in the 5th circuit.

Then we have two months to save lives.

So that argument for gun control is equally valid in your eyes now?

Liberals do not like their arguments to be used against them.

In the case of abortion I am agreeing with them.

On gun control I still disagree with them.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

To use the democrats argument on gun control, if this law can save one life, isn't it worth it?

To use math, if no lives have been lost from abortions in the last five years, it is impossible that this law will "save lives." Unless you're talking about the lives of unborn children, in which case, stop saying that you're doing it for women's safety.

 

[brycejones]

The woman will have to go to a real doctor, receive real medical care from a licensed physician and at a real hospital.

Where? Hospitals don't do abortions because whack jobs protest them and they don't want to screw around with that.

At least have the intellectual honesty to admit this about shutting down clinics and not making abortions "safer" Although I would bet you 10 deaths for 865,000 procedures is a better safety rate than anything you'll find in an actual hospital.

 

[brycejones]

Liberals do not like their arguments to be used against them.

In the case of abortion I am agreeing with them.

On gun control I still disagree with them.

So you're a hypocrite. Got it.

 

[Incorruptible]

Hopefully the activist supreme court stays out but I doubt it. Why is Planned parenthood getting involved. This group is a giant waste of tax dollars and then they use tax dollars to lobby the government.