Supreme court ends evection moratorium

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woolfe9998

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Eviction moratoriums of all kinds were always stupid, except for the first few months of the pandemic where federal aid programs had to be set up. The right answer was always to just give people money and then have them pay their rent or be evicted as normal.

Absolutely right. The problem is that it wasn't politically feasible to hand out stimulus checks 5x larger than the ones they've given. While an eviction moratorium adds nothing to the price tag of the legislation. It just fucks over the landlords.

This is why we badly need UBI.
 

fskimospy

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It depends on equity. It's easy enough to go to a lender & extract equity when facing adversity.
While I have never attempted this myself something tells me if you want to refinance and extract money from a rental property you own you have to tell the bank your current monthly income from that property is $0. That might affect their willingness to lend.
 

fskimospy

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Absolutely right. The problem is that it wasn't politically feasible to hand out stimulus checks 5x larger than the ones they've given. While an eviction moratorium adds nothing to the price tag of the legislation. It just fucks over the landlords.

This is why we badly need UBI.
Yes, you are right. It was also easier because technically nobody's out any money because all the rent is still 'owed'.

That being said, my ass. A large percentage of that rent is gone and is never coming back.
 
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And that's illegal in some states. Cool.

{edited} to change many to some. It's very state specific.
 

fskimospy

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Actually yes and it did happen few times. Food was left for me to put in to microwave to reheat it.
I do not think ‘leave your 6 year old home alone 10-12 hours a day for an indefinite period of time’ is a good policy solution.
 

nickqt

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I said this over a year ago, and it's just as obvious now as it was then.

$10,000 payment to every US citizen over 18 year old. It helps landlords. It helps tenants. It helps home owners. It helps minimum wage workers. It helps middle class workers. It helps upper class workers. It helps small business, it helps large business. It helps parents. It helps everyone.

All of this nonsense is simply a political problem that our intentionally dysfunctional government is unable to address in any meaningful way. To be clear 1/2 of elected officials in the Federal Government would oppose it because they're terrible people, while only 1/2 of Democrats would oppose it because they're terrible people. I'm sure a solid 1/4 of the Federal Government are relatively sane people.

Could have done this back in fucking April/May of 2020: STAY HOME TO SAVE LIVES! HERES MONEY! And maybe it could have put the US in better position then and now.

But here we are, trying to bandaid over a problem that had an easy-as-fuck solution over a year ago. Let's strap together a few more Rube Goldberg devices that are 10x more expensive than just handing out FREE MONEY, all so we can avoid having to show that evil "socialism" of giving people money in certain situations is the obvious best policy. Christ Almighty.
 

weblooker2021

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I do not think ‘leave your 6 year old home alone 10-12 hours a day for an indefinite period of time’ is a good policy solution.
I wasn't at home alone 10-12 hours, more like 8-9 hours. It all depends how you raise your kids. Some teens can't be left alone for few minutes as they will probably burn down the house and others okay being alone all day.
 

fskimospy

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I wasn't at home alone 10-12 hours, more like 8-9 hours. It all depends how you raise your kids. Some teens can't be left alone for few minutes as they will probably burn down the house and others okay being alone all day.
Well then that sure doesn’t sound like a general policy we should implement.
 

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It super doesn't depend on how you raise your kids. I have two entirely different kids. Both raised the same way by the same parents. One is far more responsible than the other. The one that isn't has some pretty significant psych issues that require medication and attention.

But go ahead and keep painting with the broad strokes.
 

weblooker2021

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It super doesn't depend on how you raise your kids. I have two entirely different kids. Both raised the same way by the same parents. One is far more responsible than the other. The one that isn't has some pretty significant psych issues that require medication and attention.

But go ahead and keep painting with the broad strokes.
I assume significant psych issues are not from raising the child different. Yes there is always an exception to the rule and in your case there clearly is.
 

Amol S.

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Isn't it true that if you pay your unpaid rent after recieving an eviction notice, but before your eviction, the eviction is terminated? Why can't they just go hungry for a day, and pay of the rent?
 
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Clinically diagnosed ADHD, yeah. And a number of states I have lived in make it illegal for kids under 8-12 to be home alone.
 

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Isn't it true that if you pay your unpaid rent after recieving an eviction notice, but before your eviction, the eviction is terminated? Why can't they just go hungry for a day, and pay of the rent?

What? The average rent in the United States is right around $1100. What exactly aren't you eating for a day to pay off rent?
 

ch33zw1z

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It super doesn't depend on how you raise your kids. I have two entirely different kids. Both raised the same way by the same parents. One is far more responsible than the other. The one that isn't has some pretty significant psych issues that require medication and attention.

But go ahead and keep painting with the broad strokes.
I assume significant psych issues are not from raising the child different. Yes there is always an exception to the rule and in your case there clearly is.

The rule is no two kids will be the same. States have their own rules to abide by, but you still have to know what your kids are capable of.
 
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weblooker2021

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Clinically diagnosed ADHD, yeah. And a number of states I have lived in make it illegal for kids under 8-12 to be home alone.
Average studio in California is 2k. I would love to know what you are eating for breakfast/lunch/dinner that cost 2k.
 

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For sure. I definitely grew up free range parenting. I'd technically break the law on occasion in KY going out for a run at 5am when my kids were still asleep. There were times in the pre-WFH society where I had to go into work on a teacher in-service and couldn't get coverage for them. They stayed home with a healthy dose of screen time. It happens. It's not something that is really a healthy norm to expect though.
 

ch33zw1z

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It's as crazy as we think. We left my 11 year old home for 20 minutes this summer. Long enough for him to lock himself out of the house with no shoes on. He walks to the neighbors house to use the phone (200 ft from our house) and some lady stops to find out why he's all alone. He tells her that shes a stranger and won't talk to her. She calls the police, and they had to file a report and have DCF call us because of this. I pull up in the driveway while the police are filling out the paperwork.

When I was 11, in the same town, my parents hardly ever knew where I was during summer vaca.
 

FelixDeCat

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We want free housing in America. This was just a social experiment to see if it would work.

Mark my words, this ruling is just a temporary setback.

You can bet Joe, Kamala, Nancy, lil Chuck and the worthless left wing media will make everyone who opposes free housing forever appear to be cold, heartless and cruel.

The late night Comedy talk shows will make fun of lawmakers, landlords, utility companies, etc, who wont simply eat the cost of housing people for free.

Yes, I am serious.

There will be a critical housing theory project that proposes just this very thing.
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
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We want free housing in America. This was just a social experiment to see if it would work.

Mark my words, this ruling is just a temporary setback.

You can bet Joe, Kamala, Nancy, lil Chuck and the worthless left wing media will make everyone who opposes free housing forever appear to be cold, heartless and cruel.

The late night Comedy talk shows will make fun of lawmakers, landlords, utility companies, etc, who wont simply eat the cost of housing people for free.

Yes, I am serious.

There will be a critical housing theory project that proposes just this very thing.

Lol, you missed some keywords.