Supreme Court Decides Grokster Case

[Jawo]

Opinion recently released http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co...cle/2005/06/27/AR2005062700471_pf.html

Better download everything now before it is illegal.....😉:Q😀

Next....wont be able to copy CD's that you have paid for...wait that time is already here

IMHO, the studio's need to get better contracts and acts....both the MPAA and RIAA need to get with the times...and stop alienating thier sales base!

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[Bumrush99]

The internet can never be tamed, people will always find ways to steal software and music, and with bigger pipes coming to a hometown near you, DVD quality movies.

This ruling means nothing

 

[NogginBoink]

The decision was "services will be held responsible if they intend for their customers to use software primarily to swap songs and movies illegally" according to the article.

If the prosecution can prove this intent, then I have no problem with services having liability under this decision.

 

[Nitemare]

I'd like to see how much the RIAA bribed....err contributed to politicians recently

 

[nakedfrog]

Well, I guess logically this means that CD-R manufacturers, CD burner manufacturers, ISPs and so on can be sued.

 

[Anubis]

this is not good

 

[Jawo]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Well, I guess logically this means that CD-R manufacturers, CD burner manufacturers, ISPs and so on can be sued.

Where/When/How will this stupidity stop? Its just insane....the real reason is the lack of acts, few good acts/movies fewer cd's/DVD's to sell, fewer people buy them, buts lets blame it on "theft." Can't believe them.......

 

[venk]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Well, I guess logically this means that CD-R manufacturers, CD burner manufacturers, ISPs and so on can be sued.

Don't forget Computer Makers, I mean what more is a computer than a small copyright stripping and file distributing machine.


look out Dell. 🙁

 

[Bumrush99]

Originally posted by: Jawo

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Well, I guess logically this means that CD-R manufacturers, CD burner manufacturers, ISPs and so on can be sued.

Where/When/How will this stupidity stop? Its just insane....the real reason is the lack of acts, few good acts/movies fewer cd's/DVD's to sell, fewer people buy them, buts lets blame it on "theft." Can't believe them.......

Guys, lets all be honest for a second here.. How many people do you know that still purchase music CD's from legitimate sources?
I can't think of one person in my circle of friends/co-workers that buys music. Most of the them download MP3's and then burn them to disk.

I could care less about the RIAA and all these idiotic copyright lawyers, but lets not try to deny the fact that illegal file sharing has had a significant impact on CD sales.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Bumrush99
I could care less about the RIAA and all these idiotic copyright lawyers, but lets not try to deny the fact that illegal file sharing has had a significant impact on CD sales.

RIAA got ya on the payroll, eh? 😀

Actually, that myth has been debunked over and over. CD sales are just fine and they're raking in more $ than ever. Now if they'd quit wasting it on lawyers ...

 

[Jawo]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Bumrush99
I could care less about the RIAA and all these idiotic copyright lawyers, but lets not try to deny the fact that illegal file sharing has had a significant impact on CD sales.

RIAA got ya on the payroll, eh? 😀

Actually, that myth has been debunked over and over. CD sales are just fine and they're raking in more $ than ever. Now if they'd quit wasting it on lawyers ...

Yup, couldnt say it better myself...the studios are just greedy bastards...

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Originally posted by: Bumrush99
The internet can never be tamed, people will always find ways to steal software and music, and with bigger pipes coming to a hometown near you, DVD quality movies.

This ruling means nothing

DVD quality movies have been getting distributed for ages. Cable and the faster DSL variants are enough bandwidth to handle 4.7GB with ease.

 

[Analog]

This won't stop overseas stuff which can be accessed by anyone.

 

[NogginBoink]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Well, I guess logically this means that CD-R manufacturers, CD burner manufacturers, ISPs and so on can be sued.

Only if, according to the decision, the prosecution can demonstrate that these items were made/sold with the INTENT of illegally copying music and movies.

I don't think anyone could successfully argue that in court.

 

[FoBoT]

pirates everywhere are sad
how cute

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: Jawo
Next....wont be able to copy CD's that you have paid for...wait that time is already here

IMHO, the studio's need to get better contracts and acts....both the MPAA and RIAA need to get with the times...and stop alienating thier sales base!

Couldn't agree more. Also noteworthy is the fact that, if you do things legitimately, you cannot purchase new lossless music usable on a PC or portable player. You're limited to either itunes/napster/etc, which is lossy, or this new 'double disc' CD format which most PC drives can't read.

Originally posted by: FoBoT
pirates everywhere are sad
how cute

You ever use a PC or DAP to listen to music? You appreciate sound quality and the ability to manipulate music you own?

 

[ttown]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Well, I guess logically this means that CD-R manufacturers, CD burner manufacturers, ISPs and so on can be sued.

I'm going to sue Sony for entrapment

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Well, I guess logically this means that CD-R manufacturers, CD burner manufacturers, ISPs and so on can be sued.

I don't agree and think they are completely different, especially considering the supreme's arguements against grokster mentioned in the article.

Anycase, this will ultimately only advance p2p technology.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Guys, lets all be honest for a second here.. How many people do you know that still purchase music CD's from legitimate sources?
I can't think of one person in my circle of friends/co-workers that buys music. Most of the them download MP3's and then burn them to disk.

I could care less about the RIAA and all these idiotic copyright lawyers, but lets not try to deny the fact that illegal file sharing has had a significant impact on CD sales.

I still buy some CDs. Not many, but some.
I have friends that still buy CDs.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Well, I guess logically this means that CD-R manufacturers, CD burner manufacturers, ISPs and so on can be sued.

I don't agree and think they are completely different, especially considering the supreme's arguements against grokster mentioned in the article.

Anycase, this will ultimately only advance p2p technology.

Would they have a case against Apple, owing to their "Rip. Burn. Mix." commercial from a few years back?

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Well, I guess logically this means that CD-R manufacturers, CD burner manufacturers, ISPs and so on can be sued.

I don't agree and think they are completely different, especially considering the supreme's arguements against grokster mentioned in the article.

Anycase, this will ultimately only advance p2p technology.

Would they have a case against Apple, owing to their "Rip. Burn. Mix." commercial from a few years back?

Every cloud has a silver lining 😀

 

[Miramonti]

Also, the supreme's didn't once mention allofmp3.com in their ruling... 😛

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Well, I guess logically this means that CD-R manufacturers, CD burner manufacturers, ISPs and so on can be sued.

I don't agree and think they are completely different, especially considering the supreme's arguements against grokster mentioned in the article.

Anycase, this will ultimately only advance p2p technology.

Would they have a case against Apple, owing to their "Rip. Burn. Mix." commercial from a few years back?

Again, that's a different issue because it involves the grey line of fair use which the p2p ruling didn't involve.

As long as ripping is considered fair use, they are fine..."Mix" doesn't mean "share" (theoretically 😉)

Fair use for ripping cd's will be challenged to at some point, but to be safe they probably won't market it in that way anymore. Its the way that they promote their technology that was one of the factors in the supremes decision.

 

[Jawo]

TTT

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Bumrush99
The internet can never be tamed, people will always find ways to steal software and music, and with bigger pipes coming to a hometown near you, DVD quality movies.

This ruling means nothing

Exactly. The RIAA and MPAA have no way of enforcing the entire internet to stop sharing.

Nor do they have a way to prevent off-shore software developers and websites from helping people in the US share files.