Support for repealing the Health Care bill at all-time high

[ThorofThunder]

Can they fuck themselves over anymore?

Democrats are experts at being able to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. They'll be sure to rub some more salt into that wound come November.

 

[woodie1]

I think after more and more people find out just what is in this boondoggle and what the real costs are then more will be against it than are now.

 

[ThorofThunder]

I think after more and more people find out just what is in this boondoggle and what the real costs are then more will be against it than are now.

Hence the push for amendments.

Repeal gets us back to square one. We'd have a whole 'nother year-long debate over a new bill, when we could have made the current one better.

 

[Throckmorton]

I want to see polling on a public option ammendment

 

[Macabre215]

I want to see polling on a public option ammendment

A large portion of people are misinformed about what a public option would do, so it wouldn't surprise me to see good amount against it.

 

[dainthomas]

One of these pollsters should ask everyone who wants to repeal it what specifically they don't like about it. I bet a huge chunk couldn't name one thing (that's actually in the law).

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

One of these pollsters should ask everyone who wants to repeal it what specifically they don't like about it. I bet a huge chunk couldn't name one thing (that's actually in the law).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pilG7PCV448

 

[jpeyton]

http://www.electionprojection.com/index.php

So the Dems are going from some of the largest majorities in Congressional history to smaller...majorities?

I'll take it.

Nothing it getting repealed/amended without the GOP holding super-majorities, and even you know that isn't happening.

 

[nick1985]

Nothing it getting repealed/amended without the GOP holding super-majorities, and even you know that isn't happening.

 

[theeedude]

Genie is out of the bottle. Sure, there are going to be more reforms and amendments, but if you think you are going to get full repeal, it's just not going to happen. First thing that will happen when a repeal bill is fielded is it's going to be amended to exclude the popular parts of legislation like pre-existing condition exclusions.
So what you'll end up with is a bill that repeals individual mandate but leaves the exclusion ban, which would bankrupt the insurance companies outright. Can't say I'll shed too many tears for them.

 

[ProfJohn]

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/brunitedstatescanadara/658.php

Note how many people opposed passing healthcare reform because it wasn't enough... You really think they'll support Republicans who didn't want healthcare reform at all?

ummm a poll from March vs a poll from May... which one is more accurate of the mood of the country today??

Maybe I should pull up a poll from 2001 that has Bush at 90% approval rating and start talking about how much every loves him.

 

[Throckmorton]

ummm a poll from March vs a poll from May... which one is more accurate of the mood of the country today??

Maybe I should pull up a poll from 2001 that has Bush at 90% approval rating and start talking about how much every loves him.

What has changed about healthcare reform since March? The Republican obstructionism that the public thought distasteful hasn't changed, that's a documented part of history.

 

[sportage]

Once all the benefits kick in, no one will talk repeal.
Say if you or yours got sick on vacation, and the hosp is not in your network, you then pay thru the nose for most all costs 100%. After the plan kicks in, this will no longer happen.
If u get sick on vacation (sick, heart attack, car wreck, etc) your insurance will pay as if you were in your local network provider. That is after this benefit kicks in.
Why did we have to wait??? Ask a republican.
People just don't realize the good of this bill (when it comes to be).
But they will...

 

[nick1985]

What has changed about healthcare reform since March?

Reports of added costs. Reports that it will add to the deficit, not reduce it as was promised. The public doesnt like feeling deceived.

 

[Kappo]

Yeah I bet a lot of people wanted to repeal the Civil Rights Act too, but thank goodness the Founding Fathers decided that we would be a republic.

Are you really comparing the civil rights movement with pandering to the lazy and stupid?

 

[Jhhnn]

Heh. Repubs have done another masterful job of spreading FUD-

And, uhh, that's unusual in what way, exactly?

Shucks, I remember not so long ago when GWB's approval rating was 80%, and we all know what Repubs did with that...

They screwed the pooch nearly to death, and haven't even shown the slightest chagrin... reminds me of Cheney's "I never said that." routine entirely...

When you've got nothing constructive to offer, just tear down the other side, see if you can create enough hate and discontent to muddy the waters entirely, come out on top...

Pandering to the stupid, that's for sure... stupid for still believing in what they say at all...

 

[DAGTA]

Once all the benefits kick in, no one will talk repeal.
Say if you or yours got sick on vacation, and the hosp is not in your network, you then pay thru the nose for most all costs 100%. After the plan kicks in, this will no longer happen.
If u get sick on vacation (sick, heart attack, car wreck, etc) your insurance will pay as if you were in your local network provider. That is after this benefit kicks in.
Why did we have to wait??? Ask a republican.
People just don't realize the good of this bill (when it comes to be).
But they will...

Maybe the people promoting the bill should have kept it simple enough to be easily explainable. Who has read the entire thing? Anyone? Obama certainly hasn't. Pelosi hasn't. It seems to have been written by health insurance lobbyists. I thought I read it being over 2,000 pages in length. Why does it need to be that big?

What I would very much like to know: Why are the USA people OK with their President pushing a bill through as strongly as he pushed this one when it's obvious he doesn't know what is in the bill? Doesn't that sound alarms in people?

 

[Kappo]

Once all the benefits kick in, no one will talk repeal.
Say if you or yours got sick on vacation, and the hosp is not in your network, you then pay thru the nose for most all costs 100%. After the plan kicks in, this will no longer happen.
If u get sick on vacation (sick, heart attack, car wreck, etc) your insurance will pay as if you were in your local network provider. That is after this benefit kicks in.
Why did we have to wait??? Ask a republican.
People just don't realize the good of this bill (when it comes to be).
But they will...

I already get all of that. Can I just keep my money and spend it how I want instead of how I'm told to?

 

[werepossum]

I already get all of that. Can I just keep my money and spend it how I want instead of how I'm told to?

No, no. It's your job, but it's government's paycheck. 'Cause government is brighter, taller, and has better hair.

I can't see this being repealed because there is no way Republicans will have 60 senators and because while two-thirds of the public may hate it, most of them will have something they like and want kept. Since there is no way the Republicans will be able to get replacement legislation for the good parts, there is no politically acceptable way to repeal it even if they have the votes; the sob stories would destroy them. Remember that Obamacare revitalized the Democrats' most important constituency, the main stream media. I think we have to accept the fact that the federal government is now in charge of health care regulation. I'm sure they will do the same bang-up job they've done with education and energy, so soon enough we'll have an abortion of a single payer system. Which really won't be that bad, because without jobs we'll have lots of time for standing in queues.

Elections have consequences. When we elect a man who promises to "fundamentally transform" America, we should expect him to make it something we won't recognize.

 

[dmcowen674]

Quote:
Originally Posted by sportage
Once all the benefits kick in, no one will talk repeal.
Say if you or yours got sick on vacation, and the hosp is not in your network, you then pay thru the nose for most all costs 100%. After the plan kicks in, this will no longer happen.
If u get sick on vacation (sick, heart attack, car wreck, etc) your insurance will pay as if you were in your local network provider. That is after this benefit kicks in.
Why did we have to wait??? Ask a republican.
People just don't realize the good of this bill (when it comes to be).
But they will...

I already get all of that. Can I just keep my money and spend it how I want instead of how I'm told to?

NO

That's been the problem, elitists have been getting away with not paying their fair share.

Pay up

 

[Acanthus]

Reports of added costs. Reports that it will add to the deficit, not reduce it as was promised. The public doesnt like feeling deceived.

It was changed to get passed.

We all know this.

 

[TwinsenTacquito]

People do not want it. People voted for people that want it. Sucks.

Luckily, we're all gonna pretend that we're voting in the primaries to get in some people that won't constantly try to ruin the country. Right? Right? Hello?

Countdown until we restock congress with progressive republicans that will vote identically to progressive democrats.

 

[yuppiejr]

NO

That's been the problem, elitists have been getting away with not paying their fair share.

Pay up

Good point, instead of allowing half the population to skate without contributing lets look at a flat percentage tax for everyone so we can all do our part. Isn't "from each according to his abilities" one of your core beliefs, after all?

 

[TwinsenTacquito]

Good point, instead of allowing half the population to skate without contributing lets look at a flat percentage tax for everyone so we can all do our part. Isn't "from each according to his abilities" one of your core beliefs, after all?

Flat percentage tax is massively unfair though. Well, ignore that all income tax is theft, flat percent is even more screwed up. Switch to a flat tax (not flat percent) and watch how many of these bullshit expenditures disappear. If people actually had to pay their fair share, they'd actually understand how much they've been stealing from those that work hard.

 

[thraashman]

To say income tax is theft .... well is just kinda stupid. I've in the last 4 years nearly tripled my income so I've jumped up in tax brackets. And I havent' complained one bit. Why? Because I'm not some greedy, money obcessed asshole who thinks that people who can't make as much as me are just lazy.

The worst idea for a tax system is the flat tax (I'm assuming you mean flat sales tax since what is normally called a flat tax is just a flat percent income tax). The problem people don't want to accept is that in a flat sales tax system the rich are taxed a significant percentage less than the poor. The reason for this is that poor have to spend all their money to survive. Rich spend a fraction of theirs and can invest the rest. Thus they don't get taxed at nearly the same percentage.

Also, the health care bill was a great idea. Unfortunately no one could decide exactly what to do. And the idiots with the loudest mouths spread fear and threw around the word socialism to keep it from being what it could be. And instead of suggesting a decent counter-proposal, the republicans did everything they could to block anything good from happening.