Again, how is this slimy or corrupt!?!?!!! I've asked this like 5 times and nobody seems to have an answer. He's giving money to a group so someone will help encourage hispanics to vote. What in the holy hell is wrong with that?
He's not buying votes you crazy idiot, he's contributing money to groups that will encourage Hispanics to vote. Do you think it's treasonous and evil when P Diddy runs those stupid "vote or die" ads?
It seems from your posts that you haven't even done the minimum and read up on the topic before posting. Obama is not buying anyone's vote. He's not buying some dumbass's superdelegate vote as he doesn't need it, he is putting money into an outreach program.
HeXploiT
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So I'm walking in the supermarket and I see some lady drop a $100 bill.
I then pick up the $100 dollar bill and instead of returning it to the lady I donate it to my church and everyone at church pats me on the back. Did I do what was just, right and good or did I do this thing to benefit myself?
Why let yourself be deceived in such a manner?
A child could see the significance.
It doesn't matter who he's giving the $20 million to. Buying a vote is buying a vote.
Should we then be allowed to sell our votes to foreigners and the enemy?
Where do we draw the line?
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Put the kool-Aid down for just a moment and think about it.
The facts:
1: This guy demanded $20 Million for his vote plus additional Hispanic votes.
2: He recieved the amount he was demanding.
3: At the convention, he will give his vote and later bring the additional Hispanic vote.
4: The guy was selling his vote and Obama bought the vote.
5: The superdelegate bribed Obama for $20 million.
You can't say that Obama doesn't need the vote. He didn't secure enough pledged delegates so he does need the votes from supers.
I can only assume that you and Perry are making these arguments out of ignorance.
Obama does not need this guys' superdelegate vote. Fact. He is no longer competing for the Democratic nomination, he has it. Even though the convention isn't until later this month Obama no longer faces any competition for it. He's not dropping $20 million for a vote he doesn't even need.
If you honestly think that Obama is buying this guy's vote then there is a far better reason not to vote for him other than some corruption thing. If he were buying superdelegate votes at this time he would have to be an incredible moron who literally had no understanding of the US electoral process. We should avoid electing someone that monumentally stupid at all costs.
HeXploiT
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If he doesn't need the vote then why doesn't he simply donate the money and insist publicly that he does not want the vote?
Ignorance? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. You are deceiving yourself.
For the record...the man is still a delegate with a vote that counts.
Are you trying to say that I'm ignorant for telling you that Obama is not buying more votes for an election he already won?
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He may not be competing but he does need superdelegate votes. He does not have the nomination. He is only the "presumptive" nominee until he gets the votes of the superdelegates.
"We should avoid electing someone that monumentally stupid at all costs."
Finally, we agree on something.
Doesn't matter, Obama is at least two states short in buying enough Electoral College votes.
By November may be three or four states short.
By November may be three or four states short.
Dude, he won the primary. It's over. He's not trying to get superdelegate votes. This should be absolutely blindingly obvious to you. Take off the 'insane Obama hate' glasses for a second and think about this rationally.
If you don't like Obama, that's fine. There are tons of totally legitimate things to dislike about him. In this case however you're just showcasing ignorance.
Oh Daaaaaaveeeeeee. I've posted this to you before and you've ignored it. No matter how much you want to ignore it, it doesn't change reality. If the election were held today, Obama would win a crushing victory, so your statement is simply false.
thraashman
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Wow .... The OP and everyone in this thread who agrees with him have really proved their complete and utter stupidity. I'd say ignorance, but they seem to have the knowledge but are too retarded stupid to process it right. Obama is the "presumptive nominee" because it's not official. He's going to BE the nominee because Hillary has dropped out. The only reason he didn't get the "pledged" votes, is no one needs to bother to pledge them anymore. He's not buying anyone's vote, because he doesn't need it. He's contributing to get eligible voters registered and encouraged to vote because the system kinda works on getting voters registered. The conservatives in here are showing both their true colors and total stupidity. They're afraid because they know that getting hispanics registered to vote will hurt the Republican party. No hispanic is going to vote for the party of hate and bigotry. In fact no one with half a brain would vote republican .... well I guess if they had a whole brain but less than half a heart they might.
There is no 1+1 here. Instead you're trying to claim that 1+ the square root of -1 (you know, something imaginary) is the same thing. I'm truly sad at how unintelligent the people agreeing with the OP are....
There is no 1+1 here. Instead you're trying to claim that 1+ the square root of -1 (you know, something imaginary) is the same thing. I'm truly sad at how unintelligent the people agreeing with the OP are....
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So far, so good...He's the presumptive nominee. He's not the nominee yet because it's not official. So far, we agree.
Now, you're wrong. He most likely will be the nominee. Nothing is absolutely certain. Hillary did not "drop out". She suspended campaigning and maintains control of her delegates.
Wrong again. The reason he didn't get enough pledged votes is because after all states had finished their primaries and there were no more pledged votes to get, he didn't seal the deal. He didn't win and the DNC couldn't put together enough from Florida and Michigan to give him a win.
Wrong. He does need superdelegate votes. He did meet the asking price to secure the vote. He did buy the vote.
That's what he had better say to avoid prosecution. Either way, he paid the asking price to get the vote of the super and the votes the super claims he can bring.
I really don't know how to argue with you anymore. You are simply off in your own reality. The two options that are available here are that either you are insane or Obama is insane. I know which one I'm betting on.
All those pesky people who make their living running polls are wrong! Dave knows better because... he's... uhmm... Dave.
Regardless of what you want to predict for November however, the current polls show him winning the election currently. So, your statement that he's two states short is wrong.
HeXploiT
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It doesn't matter whether he's a superdelegate in the primaries or voting as one man in the presidential election the principle is the same. The man bribed Obama and Obama gave him money for his vote and to pander to the Latinos.
Why is this simple concept so difficult for you to understand?
However you you look at it or minimize it Obama bought into a bribe.
Our future president accepted a bribe.
If he will do this now, what will he be capable of as president?
Vic
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Newsflash, people... people pay bribes to politicians NOT the other way around.
Gah... this upside-down world trolling by the rabid Obama haters is just getting to be a bit too much. What's next? Are you going to call it a bribe when Obama pays for a TV spot because the media says their advertising works?
Gah... this upside-down world trolling by the rabid Obama haters is just getting to be a bit too much. What's next? Are you going to call it a bribe when Obama pays for a TV spot because the media says their advertising works?
Vic
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Uh huh... but even in that case a bribe by definition requires an exchange for political favors like getting certain legislation passed or laws selectively enforced, etc.
Where is that here? That's right, nowhere.
Now if you need to look at what a bribe looks like, try Ted Stevens. Hell, he's not even denying that he took bribes, he's just denying that he failed to report them. Now that's corruption.
This OTOH is known as political campaigning. It would be literally impossible for a politician to run for political office if he did not pay people and organizations to help him attract voters. Seriously.
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