Super vitamin pills?

[Fox5]

For a while I've been taking multi-vitamins, but I never felt any different for taking them versus missing them.
Just recently I switched to some sports vitamins that up the daily allotments of some vitamins by a lot. Consequently, I feel way more energetic, and whereas I normally feel lethargic, I've had an excess of energy and average less than 4 hours of sleep for the last several nights (due to inability to sleep, almost a feeling of mania).

Is there something in the new vitamins that could cause me to feel this way? I kind of miss the lose of sleep, but since I feel more energized now with minimal sleep than I did with a full nights sleep, I don't really mind. I'm just wondering if it's healthy.
Actually, only my mind is feeling very alert with the lack of sleep, my body very much feels fatigued. I'm hoping I'll get adjusted within a few days though and be back to a normal sleep cycle.

Changes are (in %DV):
Vitamin A (29% as beta carotine) 70% -> 100% (50% as beta-carotene, 50% as acetate)
Vitamin C 100% -> 500%
Vitamin D 100% -> 50%
Vitamin E 100% -> 333%
Vitamin K 31% -> 100%
Thiamin (Vitamin B1) 100% -> 3333%
Riboflavin (Vitamin B2) 100% -> 2941%
Niacin 100% -> 250%
Vitamin B6 100% -> 2500%
Folic Acid 100% -> 100%
Vitamin B12 100% -> 833%
Biotin 10% -> 100%
Pantothenic Acid 100% -> 500%
Calcium 16% -> 20%
Iron 100% -> 0% (now where do they expect me to get my iron from?)
Phosphorus 11% -> 0%
Iodine 100% -> 100%
Magnesium 25% -> 25%
Zinc 100% -> 167%
Selenium 29% -> 286%
Copper 100% -> 100%
Manganese 100% -> 100%
Chromium 100% -> 100%
Molybdenum 100% -> 100%
Chloride 2% -> 0%
Potassium 2% -> 0%

And for other things with no daily value:
Boron 150mcg -> 2mg
Nickel 5mcg -> 0
Silicon 2mg -> 4mg Silica?
Tin 10mcg -> 0
Vanadium 10mcg -> 10mcg
Lutein 250mcg -> 950 mcg
Lycopene 300mcg -> 950mcg

And the addition of:
215mg of Green tea leaves extract, ginkgo biloba leaf extract, L-arginine, L-carnitine, L-glutamine, L-taurine
150mg of branched chain amino acid blend L-Valine, L-Leucine, L-Isoleucine
25mg alpha-Lipoic acid
10mg Choline
10mg Inositol
50mcg Astaxanthin
50mcg Zeaxanthin

 

[matas]

Hmm maybe I will have to try sport vitamins, because regular vitamins don't make me feel any different. Are they expensive?

 

[StageLeft]

lol, that regiment is just throwing the kitchen sink at your body.

 

[Fox5]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
lol, that regiment is just throwing the kitchen sink at your body.

Heh, it works though. I only went to sleep a few hours ago, and now I'm up again, wide awake.

 

[SociallyChallenged]

Originally posted by: Fox5

Originally posted by: Skoorb
lol, that regiment is just throwing the kitchen sink at your body.

Heh, it works though. I only went to sleep a few hours ago, and now I'm up again, wide awake.

That definitely doesn't mean it's healthy. Anything that screws with your natural sleep cycle is bad news.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Fox5

Originally posted by: Skoorb
lol, that regiment is just throwing the kitchen sink at your body.

Heh, it works though. I only went to sleep a few hours ago, and now I'm up again, wide awake.

So it works at keeping you awake, is that what you really want? Sounds like there may be something else going on here, either placebo or some stimulant that is probably not helping your overall health.

That definitely doesn't mean it's healthy. Anything that screws with your natural sleep cycle is bad news.

Agree.

 

[Fox5]

Well, I'd rather be sleeping more, but that I feel very energized on very little sleep is a mixed blessing. I'd rather feel energized with a normal amount of sleep.

 

[SociallyChallenged]

Originally posted by: Fox5
Well, I'd rather be sleeping more, but that I feel very energized on very little sleep is a mixed blessing. I'd rather feel energized with a normal amount of sleep.

That is not how sleeping works. Your brain needs REM cycles to solidify the information you learn during the day. Forgetting energy levels, you will not be spending enough time encoding learned material compared to if you were off the pills. Think about that when you take them.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: SociallyChallenged

Originally posted by: Fox5
Well, I'd rather be sleeping more, but that I feel very energized on very little sleep is a mixed blessing. I'd rather feel energized with a normal amount of sleep.

That is not how sleeping works. Your brain needs REM cycles to solidify the information you learn during the day. Forgetting energy levels, you will not be spending enough time encoding learned material compared to if you were off the pills. Think about that when you take them.

You have a link to that? I've never heard that before.

 

[SociallyChallenged]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: SociallyChallenged

Originally posted by: Fox5
Well, I'd rather be sleeping more, but that I feel very energized on very little sleep is a mixed blessing. I'd rather feel energized with a normal amount of sleep.

That is not how sleeping works. Your brain needs REM cycles to solidify the information you learn during the day. Forgetting energy levels, you will not be spending enough time encoding learned material compared to if you were off the pills. Think about that when you take them.

You have a link to that? I've never heard that before.

I compare it to the hypertrophy of the muscles. Muscles aren't built in the gym, they're built in the bed. The same goes for learning. You don't learn while you're in class. You learn while you sleep.

Summary of REM sleep and learning. I didn't read the entire thing 'cause I'm half awake, but will critique it later.

A more specific/number related article. The PDF link is in the top right hand corner on the page.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: SociallyChallenged

I compare it to the hypertrophy of the muscles. Muscles aren't built in the gym, they're built in the bed. The same goes for learning. You don't learn while you're in class. You learn while you sleep.

Summary of REM sleep and learning. I didn't read the entire thing 'cause I'm half awake, but will critique it later.

A more specific/number related article. The PDF link is in the top right hand corner on the page.

If there is definite link between memory and REM sleep, it has not yet been proven with certainty.

It's just a theory for now, and not a scientific theory.

 

[SociallyChallenged]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: SociallyChallenged

I compare it to the hypertrophy of the muscles. Muscles aren't built in the gym, they're built in the bed. The same goes for learning. You don't learn while you're in class. You learn while you sleep.

Summary of REM sleep and learning. I didn't read the entire thing 'cause I'm half awake, but will critique it later.

A more specific/number related article. The PDF link is in the top right hand corner on the page.

If there is definite link between memory and REM sleep, it has not yet been proven with certainty.

It's just a theory for now, and not a scientific theory.

Not really anymore. I've read research on it that shows there is a direct correlation between solidification/encoding of information. It's been done by not allowing participants to reach REM sleep and then testing their abilities to remember what they learned the previous day. I'll find those a bit later through my school's access to peer-reviewed journals. It's being taught in textbooks as fact now so they have enough proof that this actually occurs.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: SociallyChallenged

Not really anymore. I've read research on it that shows there is a direct correlation between solidification/encoding of information. It's been done by not allowing participants to reach REM sleep and then testing their abilities to remember what they learned the previous day. I'll find those a bit later through my school's access to peer-reviewed journals. It's being taught in textbooks as fact now so they have enough proof that this actually occurs.

Couldn't there be the possibility of low performance only because of lack of REM sleep? As in, the memory is there, but not displayed as well because of REM sleep.

I'd be interested in reading more. My REM sleep is pretty solid as long as I fall into the 6-9 hour sleep range.

 

[SociallyChallenged]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: SociallyChallenged

Not really anymore. I've read research on it that shows there is a direct correlation between solidification/encoding of information. It's been done by not allowing participants to reach REM sleep and then testing their abilities to remember what they learned the previous day. I'll find those a bit later through my school's access to peer-reviewed journals. It's being taught in textbooks as fact now so they have enough proof that this actually occurs.

Couldn't there be the possibility of low performance only because of lack of REM sleep? As in, the memory is there, but not displayed as well because of REM sleep.

I'd be interested in reading more. My REM sleep is pretty solid as long as I fall into the 6-9 hour sleep range.

Not sure, I'll read up and try to find an explanation. I have pretty terrible REM sleep and often get REM cycles in sets of one (wake up every 1.5 hours) so they don't get continually longer as I sleep through the night. When I do sleep the whole night through, which is very rare, I feel superhuman with the amount of stuff I remember from the previous day.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: SociallyChallenged

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: SociallyChallenged

Not really anymore. I've read research on it that shows there is a direct correlation between solidification/encoding of information. It's been done by not allowing participants to reach REM sleep and then testing their abilities to remember what they learned the previous day. I'll find those a bit later through my school's access to peer-reviewed journals. It's being taught in textbooks as fact now so they have enough proof that this actually occurs.

Couldn't there be the possibility of low performance only because of lack of REM sleep? As in, the memory is there, but not displayed as well because of REM sleep.

I'd be interested in reading more. My REM sleep is pretty solid as long as I fall into the 6-9 hour sleep range.

Not sure, I'll read up and try to find an explanation. I have pretty terrible REM sleep and often get REM cycles in sets of one (wake up every 1.5 hours) so they don't get continually longer as I sleep through the night. When I do sleep the whole night through, which is very rare, I feel superhuman with the amount of stuff I remember from the previous day.

*shrug* or it could be a combination of both. I dunno, I've never really payed attention to what I remember day to day.