Sunni and Shiite Unite in Resistance Against U.S.

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Damn I was watching CNN and then switched back to FOX only to realize that both reported the same damn thing ! The Shiites and Sunnis are now praying together in the same mosques. Hell Sunni's who fled Fallujah were greeted with cheers and given comfort by Shiites in Baghdad. Before this war these people hated each other and had been killing each other for hundreds of years and now they have come together. We should thank Bush for brining these people together with the common goal of killing American soldiers in Iraq. So yes Bush is the great uniter but in Iraq and not in the States.

P.S. - Some people say that Iraq is not like another Vietnam and you know what ? It's not another Vietnam ! I think they are correct in this opinion. If anything Iraq is more like Afghanistan in the 80's. They are similar because in both Iraq and Afghanistan the foreign power in control of those countries each installed puppet governments. In both countries the foreign power controlled the cities but not the country side. This is evident by the fact that some convoys carrying fuel and supplies to the battle in Fallujah were blown to hell and thus way we had a cease-fire.

The tactics of the insurgents in Iraq has been to attack convoys via ambushes or road side bombs. In Afghanistan you can still find the wreckage of Russian convoys and their remains from the 80's which were destroyed in a similar manner. In both countries groups of people who once hated each other and who had previously been killing each other for hundreds of years have banded together to fight a common enemy. In both countries religious zealots were/are drawn to these nations like moths to fire to fight off the foreign infidel. I fear like Afghanistan, Iraq will end up with either a religous extremist Sunni ( Taliban ) goverment or a extremist Shiite ( Iranian style mulah state ) government and we will only have to go back there again because Iraq will become a haven for anti-American terrorist once we leave. So yes people Iraq is not like another Vietnam it's more of a 80's Afghanistan if anything else. Of course Afghanistan was Russia's Vietnam though.


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I'm has an Iraqi am please to hear that both the sunnis and the shi'ites are one, united to kick the American occupation out of our country and build a free Iraq not the fake "democratic system" that US wants to install on our people. God bless Iraq
 

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Originally posted by: MegaWorks
I'm has an Iraqi am please to hear that both the sunnis and the shi'ites are one, united to kick the American occupation out of our country and build a free Iraq not the fake "democratic system" that US wants to install on our people. God bless Iraq

"..and build a free Iraq.."

Like that would ever happen..
 

MegaWorks

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Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: MegaWorks
I'm has an Iraqi am please to hear that both the sunnis and the shi'ites are one, united to kick the American occupation out of our country and build a free Iraq not the fake "democratic system" that US wants to install on our people. God bless Iraq

"..and build a free Iraq.."

Like that would ever happen..

It would happen, we are not that barbaric as you may think. We can build a democratic system on our own we are sick of wars we're not gonna creat a civil war or something like that
 

Kadarin

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Originally posted by: MegaWorks
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: MegaWorks
I'm has an Iraqi am please to hear that both the sunnis and the shi'ites are one, united to kick the American occupation out of our country and build a free Iraq not the fake "democratic system" that US wants to install on our people. God bless Iraq

"..and build a free Iraq.."

Like that would ever happen..

It would happen, we are not that barbaric as you may think. We can build a democratic system on our own we are sick of wars we're not gonna creat a civil war or something like that

History indicates otherwise. The only exception that I can think of offhand is Turkey. Iran, though it has elections, is not truly democratic.

Islam, when it doesn't have authoritarian rule imposed on it (Syria, Libya, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, etc) tends to gravitate toward repressive theocracy (Afghanistan under the Taliban, Iran under the mullahs, etc.) The problem is that Islam is not only a religion, but also a government and a way of life. You could call it a "civilization", were it no so blatantly uncivilized.
 

MegaWorks

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Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: MegaWorks
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: MegaWorks
I'm has an Iraqi am please to hear that both the sunnis and the shi'ites are one, united to kick the American occupation out of our country and build a free Iraq not the fake "democratic system" that US wants to install on our people. God bless Iraq

"..and build a free Iraq.."

Like that would ever happen..

It would happen, we are not that barbaric as you may think. We can build a democratic system on our own we are sick of wars we're not gonna creat a civil war or something like that

History indicates otherwise. The only exception that I can think of offhand is Turkey. Iran, though it has elections, is not truly democratic.

Islam, when it doesn't have authoritarian rule imposed on it (Syria, Libya, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, etc) tends to gravitate toward repressive theocracy (Afghanistan under the Taliban, Iran under the mullahs, etc.) The problem is that Islam is not only a religion, but also a government and a way of life. You could call it a "civilization", were it no so blatantly uncivilized.

a simple question do you like to be told that to do? how to live, what to think etc. Saddam did that to us, Iraqis are sick of it. There is something that you should know many Iraqis lived in many western countries I believe 3 million and are returning to Iraq, they will show the rest of Iraqis what they learn and give them their opinion on what is the best system Iraq should impose. give us a chance man!
 

dahunan

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Originally posted by: MegaWorks
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: MegaWorks
I'm has an Iraqi am please to hear that both the sunnis and the shi'ites are one, united to kick the American occupation out of our country and build a free Iraq not the fake "democratic system" that US wants to install on our people. God bless Iraq

"..and build a free Iraq.."

Like that would ever happen..

It would happen, we are not that barbaric as you may think. We can build a democratic system on our own we are sick of wars we're not gonna creat a civil war or something like that


WHAT ABOUT THE KURDS?

Are you going to respect them as you do yourselves?
 

Kadarin

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Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: MegaWorks
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: MegaWorks
I'm has an Iraqi am please to hear that both the sunnis and the shi'ites are one, united to kick the American occupation out of our country and build a free Iraq not the fake "democratic system" that US wants to install on our people. God bless Iraq

"..and build a free Iraq.."

Like that would ever happen..

It would happen, we are not that barbaric as you may think. We can build a democratic system on our own we are sick of wars we're not gonna creat a civil war or something like that


WHAT ABOUT THE KURDS?

Are you going to respect them as you do yourselves?

Good point about the Kurds. And they're the only ones in the region who seem to have their sh*t together.
 

MegaWorks

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Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: MegaWorks
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: MegaWorks
I'm has an Iraqi am please to hear that both the sunnis and the shi'ites are one, united to kick the American occupation out of our country and build a free Iraq not the fake "democratic system" that US wants to install on our people. God bless Iraq

"..and build a free Iraq.."

Like that would ever happen..

It would happen, we are not that barbaric as you may think. We can build a democratic system on our own we are sick of wars we're not gonna creat a civil war or something like that


WHAT ABOUT THE KURDS?

Are you going to respect them as you do yourselves?

you moron, it was Saddam not the Iraqi people who killed the kurds, and the kurds know that
 

dahunan

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Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: MegaWorks
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: MegaWorks
I'm has an Iraqi am please to hear that both the sunnis and the shi'ites are one, united to kick the American occupation out of our country and build a free Iraq not the fake "democratic system" that US wants to install on our people. God bless Iraq

"..and build a free Iraq.."

Like that would ever happen..

It would happen, we are not that barbaric as you may think. We can build a democratic system on our own we are sick of wars we're not gonna creat a civil war or something like that


WHAT ABOUT THE KURDS?

Are you going to respect them as you do yourselves?

Good point about the Kurds. And they're the only ones in the region who seem to have their sh*t together.


To be honest.. I don't know why the two groups hate the Kurds.. Is it a religious gang thang or turf war or ethnicity thing??
 

MegaWorks

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Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: MegaWorks
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: MegaWorks
I'm has an Iraqi am please to hear that both the sunnis and the shi'ites are one, united to kick the American occupation out of our country and build a free Iraq not the fake "democratic system" that US wants to install on our people. God bless Iraq

"..and build a free Iraq.."

Like that would ever happen..

It would happen, we are not that barbaric as you may think. We can build a democratic system on our own we are sick of wars we're not gonna creat a civil war or something like that


WHAT ABOUT THE KURDS?

Are you going to respect them as you do yourselves?

Good point about the Kurds. And they're the only ones in the region who seem to have their sh*t together.


To be honest.. I don't know why the two groups hate the Kurds.. Is it a religious gang thang or turf war or ethnicity thing??

who told you we hate the kurds? you have a chance to talk to a real Iraqi now ask me what you like and I will answer as much as what I konw
 

dahunan

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Originally posted by: MegaWorks
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: MegaWorks
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: MegaWorks
I'm has an Iraqi am please to hear that both the sunnis and the shi'ites are one, united to kick the American occupation out of our country and build a free Iraq not the fake "democratic system" that US wants to install on our people. God bless Iraq

"..and build a free Iraq.."

Like that would ever happen..

It would happen, we are not that barbaric as you may think. We can build a democratic system on our own we are sick of wars we're not gonna creat a civil war or something like that


WHAT ABOUT THE KURDS?

Are you going to respect them as you do yourselves?

Good point about the Kurds. And they're the only ones in the region who seem to have their sh*t together.


To be honest.. I don't know why the two groups hate the Kurds.. Is it a religious gang thang or turf war or ethnicity thing??

who told you we hate the kurds? you have a chance to talk to a real Iraqi now ask me what you like and I will answer as much as what I konw



Why did Saddam want to kill the Kurds? Did the Sunnis support the killings of the Kurds?
 

MegaWorks

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Saddam killed the kurds because the kurd wanted to have a free nation of their own, so may know now that anyone who imposes Saddam gets shot! the kurds are sunnis, so I don't think the arab sunnis where happy about the event
 

Kadarin

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Originally posted by: MegaWorks
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: MegaWorks
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: MegaWorks
I'm has an Iraqi am please to hear that both the sunnis and the shi'ites are one, united to kick the American occupation out of our country and build a free Iraq not the fake "democratic system" that US wants to install on our people. God bless Iraq

"..and build a free Iraq.."

Like that would ever happen..

It would happen, we are not that barbaric as you may think. We can build a democratic system on our own we are sick of wars we're not gonna creat a civil war or something like that


WHAT ABOUT THE KURDS?

Are you going to respect them as you do yourselves?

Good point about the Kurds. And they're the only ones in the region who seem to have their sh*t together.


To be honest.. I don't know why the two groups hate the Kurds.. Is it a religious gang thang or turf war or ethnicity thing??

who told you we hate the kurds? you have a chance to talk to a real Iraqi now ask me what you like and I will answer as much as what I konw

Are you Sunni, or Shi'ite?
 

dahunan

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What do most Iraqis believe America's reason for invading Iraq was
Remove Saddam and his sons
Hold great influence inside the middle east
Steal the Oil
Try to build a military base that will stay there forever?
 

Drift3r

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Originally posted by: MegaWorks
Saddam killed the kurds because the kurd wanted to have a free nation of their own, so may know now that anyone who imposes Saddam gets shot! the kurds are sunnis, so I don't think the arab sunnis where happy about the event


Actually the reason why Saddam gassed the Kurds was because they sided with Iran during the Iran/Iraq war. Also they wanted their own nation which would of included parts of Turkey, Iraq and bits of Iran. Hell the U.S. Army went as far as to point the finger at Iran in a Army issued report about the incident. Of course they did not realize that the Kurds or anyone else did not believe that for one second and Saddam eventually got the blame.
 

Drift3r

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Originally posted by: dahunan
What do most Iraqis believe America's reason for invading Iraq was
Remove Saddam and his sons
Hold great influence inside the middle east
Steal the Oil
Try to build a military base that will stay there forever?

Probably all of the above.
 

MegaWorks

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Originally posted by: dahunan
What do most Iraqis believe America's reason for invading Iraq was
Remove Saddam and his sons
Hold great influence inside the middle east
Steal the Oil
Try to build a military base that will stay there forever?

Iraqis believe that America has many objectives in Iraq. Steal the oil yes thats one of them, build a military base oh yes, you don't spend billions of dollars on a war and not install a military base as the US did it in most of it's wars(Japan, germany). removing Saddam .... well they had that chance 12 years ago but didn't do it, so you see they don't care about our freedom. Iraqi also believe that the US wants Iraq for strategic reasons but we don't know them yet
 

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Originally posted by: Astaroth33
History indicates otherwise. The only exception that I can think of offhand is Turkey. Iran, though it has elections, is not truly democratic.

Islam, when it doesn't have authoritarian rule imposed on it (Syria, Libya, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, etc) tends to gravitate toward repressive theocracy (Afghanistan under the Taliban, Iran under the mullahs, etc.) The problem is that Islam is not only a religion, but also a government and a way of life. You could call it a "civilization", were it no so blatantly uncivilized.

Total BS. Indonesia just finished a general election peacefully and their governmnet is not theocracy at all, and oh BTW, they are also the biggest Muslim country. Also go take a look at Malaysia where Muslim is the majority and see what kind of governmnet they have.

Stop generalizing Muslim just because your knowledge is so limited.
 

magomago

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Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: MegaWorks
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: MegaWorks
I'm has an Iraqi am please to hear that both the sunnis and the shi'ites are one, united to kick the American occupation out of our country and build a free Iraq not the fake "democratic system" that US wants to install on our people. God bless Iraq

"..and build a free Iraq.."

Like that would ever happen..

It would happen, we are not that barbaric as you may think. We can build a democratic system on our own we are sick of wars we're not gonna creat a civil war or something like that


WHAT ABOUT THE KURDS?

Are you going to respect them as you do yourselves?

Good point about the Kurds. And they're the only ones in the region who seem to have their sh*t together.


Kurds have to learn that being part of a demorcracy, their power is going to get diluted because other groups will also want a peice of the pie. Instead they want to get more than their fair share. Then again this is coming from a person who thinks that its necessary for Iraq to have a strong central government

edit: ATM kurds seem to prefer a weaker central government because they want their own militia, etc....basically continue their autonomy they've had for 10 years. But joining a democracy where the central government has to be strong (so they country will be held together~~ HEll even the US scrapped its articles of confederation because they proved too weak) is something they don't want...

In the end, Kurds will just have to live with being part of a democracy. And that will include joining an Iraqi national Army...not a Kurish one, that will mean having trade policy dictated in Baghdad (obviously with Kurds in the government as they are voted in) rather than Kiruk, etc. etc.
 

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Why did Saddam want to kill the Kurds?
For the same damn reason that Turkey has killed so many of it's Kurds (more than Saddam ever did), which is the same Iran has brutally suppressed and killed its Kurds in the past, which is the same damn reason Syria has done the same with its Kurds, which, ethnic reasons aside, is the same damn reason the Union killed so many rebs. Catching on?
 

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Originally posted by: Perknose
Why did Saddam want to kill the Kurds?
For the same damn reason that Turkey has killed so many of it's Kurds (more than Saddam ever did), which is the same Iran has brutally suppressed and killed its Kurds in the past, which is the same damn reason Syria has done the same with its Kurds, which, ethnic reasons aside, is the same damn reason the Union killed so many rebs. Catching on?

And lets not forget all of the money the US gave to Turkey during the early nineties that was used to help suppress the Kurdish population.