Sum of All Fears

[0roo0roo]

unescorted carrier was another problem😛

 

[imported_Phil]

Originally posted by: malak

Originally posted by: Icopoli
The B-2 radar cross-section looks like a tea-cup, F-17's look like a dinnerplate, B1-B's look like a chair. Nothing is invisible.

Yes but your average radar doesn't track tea-cups, which is my point.

Hahahaha :thumbsup: :beer:

 

[cavemanmoron]

sounds like a movie I need to rent.🙂

 

[ThePresence]

AFAIK, if you're looking for a stealth, you can find it. Not easy, but you can find it. You can't get a radar lock on it, but you can get a fuzzy signal now and then. I may be wrong, but I think I read that somewhere.

 

[dighn]

gravitonic scanners duh

 

[jalaram]

Originally posted by: Orsorum

Originally posted by: tm37

Originally posted by: skyking
yeah, they sound like siesmic anomolies or magma disturbances😛

So if they have a seaman Jones then we are SCREWED!!!

"Whales humping"

I think I hear singing.

 

[rh71]

the only part of that movie I remember is Bridget Moynahan.

 

[mobobuff]

Originally posted by: jalaram

Originally posted by: Orsorum

Originally posted by: tm37

Originally posted by: skyking
yeah, they sound like siesmic anomolies or magma disturbances😛

So if they have a seaman Jones then we are SCREWED!!!

"Whales humping"

I think I hear singing.

Yeah, it's Barry GREAT White.

*slaps knee*

 

[spacejamz]

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: spacejamz

That stealth non-sense was not in the book...some B-1 bombers were scrambled after the nuke went off in Denver

the movie totally disgraced the book (even worse than a stephen king movie, well maybe not that bad, but damn close)...

QFT

sorry..didn't mean any disrepect to any fans of the Stephen King movies...

 

[dr150]

Originally posted by: malak
Near the end, we launch stealth bombers. How does Russia track them? I was under the impression not even the US could track their own bombers....

That movie has more holes than Swiss cheese. Don't overthink this P.O.S!

I also really loved it that Jack Ryan could get cell phone connection in a city that was nuked....That's one heck of a cell phone plan!........Time to switch from Verizon! 😀

 

[Hammer]

they can be tracked, its just difficult. some more difficult than others. f117 is significantly easier to track than the b2. the b2 is very hard. the british conducted a study though that reported success using old radar technology. apparently, old style radar works differentl and can pick up stealth.

 

[Queasy]

:thumbsdown::thumbsdown::thumbsdown::thumbsdown::thumbsdown: on this abortion of a movie. It truly amazes me how Hollywood can completely FUBAR a book sometimes.

 

[Icopoli]

Here's a headstart for those who are thinking about detecting stealth aircraft: instead of searching for what's there, look for what isn't there.

My father does airtraffic control, we've come up with a design for RADAR to detect stealth no problem.

 

[paulney]

Tracking stealth bombers is a matter of switching frequencies: stealth paint is designed for a minimujm reflection in a certain range. Older technology uses a different approach and frequency set and hence is able to detect stealth planes.

 

[Kyteland]

Originally posted by: spacejamz

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: spacejamz
That stealth non-sense was not in the book...some B-1 bombers were scrambled after the nuke went off in Denver

the movie totally disgraced the book (even worse than a stephen king movie, well maybe not that bad, but damn close)...

QFT

sorry..didn't mean any disrepect to any fans of the Stephen King movies...

QFT = Quoted For Truth.

Don't worry, every time I see it I think it means Quit Fvcking Talking also, but then I remember.

 

[Vic]

The movie and the book have very little in common (except for terrorists, a nuke, and a football game). The actual storylines are very different. The book is one of Clancy's best. The movie is an abortion.

 

[spacejamz]

Originally posted by: Kyteland

Originally posted by: spacejamz

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: spacejamz
That stealth non-sense was not in the book...some B-1 bombers were scrambled after the nuke went off in Denver

the movie totally disgraced the book (even worse than a stephen king movie, well maybe not that bad, but damn close)...

QFT

sorry..didn't mean any disrepect to any fans of the Stephen King movies...

QFT = Quoted For Truth.

Don't worry, every time I see it I think it means Quit Fvcking Talking also, but then I remember.

My bad...thought you were trying to say QUIT F*** TROLLING...oooopppsssss....😱

 

[spacejamz]

Originally posted by: paulney
Tracking stealth bombers is a matter of switching frequencies: stealth paint is designed for a minimujm reflection in a certain range. Older technology uses a different approach and frequency set and hence is able to detect stealth planes.

Also, 'spies' are in place to watch when these stealth planes take off...when the F117 got shot down a few years back, these 'spies' radioed out that the plane had taken off...by doing the math, they could guess the probably flight path, and alert the radar operators accordingly...(at least that was one of the explanations I remember hearing after it got shot down)...

 

[Apathetic]

Originally posted by: spacejamz

That stealth non-sense was not in the book...some B-1 bombers were scrambled after the nuke went off in Denver

the movie totally disgraced the book (even worse than a stephen king movie, well maybe not that bad, but damn close)...

The movie completely wrecked a good book.

Dave

 

[dderidex]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
unescorted carrier was another problem😛

Keep in mind that the 'escort' for a modern carrier group at sea that is expecting hostilities is going to be way, way, WAY over the horizon.

Originally posted by: malak

Originally posted by: Icopoli
The B-2 radar cross-section looks like a tea-cup, F-17's look like a dinnerplate, B1-B's look like a chair. Nothing is invisible.

Yes but your average radar doesn't track tea-cups, which is my point.

Depends on the radar, but yeah, they can if needed.

The short answer is that search radars can 'see' stealth bombers and fighters...more or less. They would appear "in and out of radar" as various frequencies were run through and angle of detection changed. Search radar isn't a real big concern, though, as you can't shoot someone down with it.

Fire control radars, on the other hand, have a MUCH harder time with stealth technology.

Basically, the goal of the US stealth programs were that while you might know the bombers were coming...you couldn't be 100% sure WHERE...and in any case, you couldn't fire a missile at it if you wanted to, even if you knew where it WAS at.

Originally posted by: TheStu
Well as far as the Ohio class of Submarines go, Even we have a fantastically difficult time to track them when they go quiet.

Actually, submarines are pretty easy to *know* about, even if you can't target them.

Surely, everyone knows that low-frequency sounds propogate better than high-frequency sounds, right?

Now...think about all those computers running on a submarine. Air conditioning units, pumps for the reactor, etc. And what is the North American AC power switching rate? 60hz? Yeah, that '60hz line' shows up really, REALLY far away. Not anywhere near good enough to know WHERE it is, or build a TMA solution to detect it, but you know a sub is n the area.

And, of course, the rest of the world (Europe, Russia, etc) uses a 50hz AC switching rate, so you see a '50hz line' on your narrowband display for those guys.