Sukhoi T-50

[CaptnKirk]

Whoa... you're Airforce? RAF 89 here, leveled to black. My favourite is the F15, they have helped us kick some serious arse.

Air Force 1966 to 1968, assigned to the Army 1st Cav in 'Nam for Caribou's (CV-2A/C7A)

B-1 Bomber & Shuttle Orbitor Systems planninng.
MX Launch Operations Test Operations, Launch Complex 6 Master Scheduling
(Vandenberg SLC-6)
Manufacturing Engineer, Mac-Dac on F-15's, F/A-18's, C-17's, AV8-B's, T-45's.

I don't spend much time on P&N like I used to, but still poke people with a pointy stick sometimes.

 

[EagleKeeper]

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I don't spend much time on P&N like I used to, but still poke people with a pointy stick sometimes.

Your pointy stick is turning into a sode straw now days :biggrin:

 

[Sclamoz]

That doesn't matter, they are flown on definitive routes without detours, i stand by my statement, UAVS are useless in this form of strikes, nor taking out a building, good job, the building won't move, for taking out a target within a building, here has not been ONE success.

Ok, but they use laser guided missiles and bombs. The videos I posted were of UAVS hitting mobile targets (which is why I posted them). They've been used to take out cars and people moving on foot many times.

Hell one fired a stinger at a mig in the beginning of the iraq war.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWUR3sgKUV8

 

[CaptnKirk]

Ok, but they use laser guided missiles and bombs. The videos I posted were of UAVS hitting mobile targets (which is why I posted them). They've been used to take out cars and people moving on foot many times.

Hell one fired a stinger at a mig in the beginning of the iraq war.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWUR3sgKUV8

Our 'Drones' fly, their 'Drones' walk, both are guided weaponry.

 

[qliveur]

Wonderful, they're almost caught up with our 1972 F-14 Tomcats.

If that were true, then what were those MiG-29s and Su-27s that they came up with just a few years later than the F-14 all about?

I'll agree that electronically they were behind the West during the Cold War, but aerodynamically they were right there with us. And now that they've had direct access to Western technology for the past 20 years...

 

[CaptnKirk]

If that were true, then what were those MiG-29s and Su-27s that they came up with just a few years later than the F-14 all about?

I'll agree that electronically they were behind the West during the Cold War, but aerodynamically they were right there with us. And now that they've had direct access to Western technology for the past 20 years...

Aerodynamically, you can fly a barn door with enough power - the F-4's proved that.

There are different classes of sophistication in Aerospace applications.
It's just easier to copy than to create.

 

[alphatarget1]

About the F-22s: are there plans to sell some to our allies? It seems like a waste to spend so much on R&D and then shutting down production.

 

[CaptnKirk]

About the F-22s: are there plans to sell some to our allies? It seems like a waste to spend so much on R&D and then shutting down production.

The F-22 is too risky to chance foreign sales, even to Allies, so they're off the table.
The F-35 is in play for stakeholder Allies by absorbing production costs and development partnerships.

Many of the F-35 components are F-22 derivatives or equivalent parts, packaging, specific equipment, and item quantities will differ.

Same engine, one on F-35 & 2 on F-22, without Supercruise.
Stealth coating are somewhat different.
Only 16 feet length difference, and 6 foot wingspan difference.

http://www.lockheedmartin.com/products/f22/

http://www.lockheedmartin.com/products/f35/

 

[Acanthus]

no you're not, what he means is boots on the ground, I believe, not attacking from the air.

what I want to know is exactly how successful these drone attacks really are, the military says one thing and news reports say another.

youtube?

 

[Acanthus]

There have been over 150 reports of strikes, not ONE has hit a HOT target, not even fucking ONE.

Sure, if they would just stay in their bloody homes or camps all the time it wouldn't be a problem to use UAV's for these kinds of hits but the problem is that they don't, well that and the fact that most attacks weren't even in the same area they were intended to be in, more like "drop payload now because we are almost out of where we can" and calling it a success.

Ground targeting is 100% effective, the TFB has used this method and with 100% results, you have troops on the ground targeting the exact location and the guidance system isn't off by as much as one inch, if i targeted your arsehole Common could send a missile that would hit you square in the arse.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100131...Ec2VjA3luX3RvcF9zdG9yeQRzbGsDcGFraXN0YW5pbnZl

 

[dawp]

youtube?

http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=221847

 

[rudder]

Makes you wonder what the Chinese are working on?

They are working on the F-22. They learned from the Soviets early on that it is cheaper to buy the technical info from U.S. workers, rather than spend the money on research.

 

[Sukhoi]

They are working on the F-22. They learned from the Soviets early on that it is cheaper to buy the technical info from U.S. workers, rather than spend the money on research.

Wouldn't surprise me at all. I work in the defense industry and it is absolutely amazing how many foreigners there are. Sometimes I go to meetings and it's 80% Asians, of which a pretty large percentage are Chinese. I have nothing against the legit Chinese workers, but it makes you wonder.

 

[rudder]

Wouldn't surprise me at all. I work in the defense industry and it is absolutely amazing how many foreigners there are. Sometimes I go to meetings and it's 80% Asians, of which a pretty large percentage are Chinese. I have nothing against the legit Chinese workers, but it makes you wonder.

That and there are other ways. But it is just not contractors. There were far fewer foreign contractors in the 1980's, yet the Soviets were able to acquire quite a bit of data about our military hardware. A lot from researching public patents, buying prohibited items that were either sold knowingly or items that could be legally exported but that contained prohibited technology.

And there always will be a few red blooded Americans who are motivated by greed and will offer up secrets for the right price.

 

[EagleKeeper]

That and there are other ways. But it is just not contractors. There were far fewer foreign contractors in the 1980's, yet the Soviets were able to acquire quite a bit of data about our military hardware. A lot from researching public patents, buying prohibited items that were either sold knowingly or items that could be legally exported but that contained prohibited technology.

And there always will be a few red blooded Americans who are motivated by greed and will offer up secrets for the right price.

Or just pure idelogical hatred.
Then some believe that everyone should share alike no matter what the consequences.

 

[CaptnKirk]

It is absolutely baffeling to me how we can have ITAR restrictions on data,
cover sheet controls on printed matter,and find that there are several,
sometimes many, foriegn nationals working on those programs with that access.

Amazing.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Or just pure idelogical hatred.
Then some believe that everyone should share alike no matter what the consequences.

Yeh, my university had one of those guys. Started employing Iranian students to develop UAV technology for the military and then flew over to China to give lectures on related research. The feds grabbed him once he returned to America, IIRC they were waiting for him as soon as he stepped off the plane. The guy had a massive ego, believed that everything should be shared, etc. The military had to scrap the entire project because of the extent of the compromise.