Suicide notes

[Modelworks]

People say doing it is selfish.
But is it not just as selfish for people to ask the suicidal person to stay around just so they are spared the pain of there death ?

The system also makes it hard for people that have attempted in the past.
If you go to a doctor and tell them, "I attempted suicide before", you cannot even mention that you are feeling down or sad without them feeling like your a threat to yourself. Even if the attempt was years ago.

the stigma that comes along with it ends with many people dying that shouldn't have.

 

[MyThirdEye]

LoKe, did you not read the notes? A 13 year old kid killed himself.

What could be so unbearable that suicide is the only solution.

"Damn, I forgot my homework again."

 

[ades]

Originally posted by: amjohns5
LoKe, did you not read the notes? A 13 year old kid killed himself.

What could be so unbearable that suicide is the only solution.

"Damn, I forgot my homework again."

I am serious when I say this: sometimes depression makes you inherently suicidal. It is all that you can think about. It is horrible and terrifying. Age doesn't matter.

Ever read about those prescription drugs that make people suicidal? There is a strong link between chemical imbalances and anxiety/depression/suicide.

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: amjohns5
LoKe, did you not read the notes? A 13 year old kid killed himself.

What could be so unbearable that suicide is the only solution.

"Damn, I forgot my homework again."

I knew a 14 yr old girl that killed herself.
she did it because she couldn't deal with the memories of her father repeatedly molesting her as she grew up.

Just because people are young doesn't mean they haven't suffered.

Some will say , with counseling and help she could have worked through it.
How do you know ? Were you molested repeatedly by her father and gotten over it ?

 

[imported_LoKe]

Originally posted by: amjohns5
LoKe, did you not read the notes? A 13 year old kid killed himself.

What could be so unbearable that suicide is the only solution.

...You're serious? Do you think you have to be an adult to have serious problems? Do you think age has anything to do with maturity? I'm not saying all suicides are justified, and I don't always agree with the reason, but it's solely up to the individual.

 

[stinger25]

Depression is a nightmare, especially when it hits you all of a sudden. I've dealt with it for a long time. One moment I'll be feeling fine, the next moment I'll fell like my worlds coming to an end.

I've come close to ending it a couple times, but worked myself out of it. It sucked when my friends caught me the last time, though, because they never treated me the same.

Fortunately I'm better now. I'm married (and actually like my wife), and there are alot of good things to live for. A good technique to use when you're feeling low is to create a list of things to live for. That usually helps me out.

 

[MyThirdEye]

My fault, I never thought of it in that perspective.


Whats the difference between Depressed and Suicidal? My friend will have these totally random outbursts of "Depression." Where he doesn't want to answer anything I ask him, just "yes and no" answers. He has this blank expression and all he wants to do is sit around and piss about life. I asked him "What is your problem?" He tells me that he gets depressed because his dad used to get depressed and he inherited it. I call BS, he is a slacker in general, no goals, no motivation, and I just think he wants an excuse.

Am I not being a good friend on that subject?

 

[Modelworks]

Sound like the friend needs to get involved with some CBT.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C...ive_behavioral_therapy

Good even for people without depression.

 

[HammerCurl]

Originally posted by: Syrch

Originally posted by: manowar821
I laughed at the 1 dollar for the father thing. Anyone else get that joke?

Im guessing he owes her a dollar?

It's not a joke. She hated her father, I forget the order of the will but it is so that he (as next of kin or whatever the legal term is) has no claim to any of her personal property. He could claim that she was under extreme duress if she left him entirely out of her will (making her forget about him) and be entitled to part of whatever assets she left behind, and she didn't want to give a chance of that. So if you hate someone closely linked to you, don't ignore them in your will but be sure to include a dollar or something.

 

[hanoverphist]

i cant think of one thing worth taking my life over. its never been an option, and i doubt it ever will be. i dont think these people are idjits because they did tho, they had their own reasons, good or bad.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: The Lurker
To everyone who thinks someone who commits suicide is a pussy, I hope you are never around someone suicidal. One of the challenges of preventing suicide (or depression and things related to it) is that whenever someone seeks help, they often become isolated and shunned, which makes things worse. That in turn makes them become even more isolated, which just continues the cycle.

One of the worst things about feeling depressed is that when people find out, they treat you differently, sometimes as though you are a child (and that emphasizes how little they understand you). Even if someone is trying to help, usually they act differently (and its noticeable, even if they want to hide it). I think that the whole "emo" hating fad has just made this worse, since no one tries to understand suicidal people- they just label them "emo" so that they don't have to think about it.

As for suicide being selfish, usually I can think of two ways a suicidal person views it:
1) They see themselves as pulling down everyone around them (and hate themselves for it), and want to stop that.
2) They feel everyone else is been selfish, so why should they care? (They hate the world and don't want to deal with it)

Anyways, thats just how I see it. I'm sure I'm wrong on some things.

QFT

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
I think the general lack of understanding of mental illness is one of the worst points of our society. We have banished the severely mentally ill to the streets by closing institutions. We hate them for what we see in ourselves rather than showing compassion and understanding. I have never had such problems so I won't claim any level of understanding, but I will certainly not condemn these people for their actions or state of mind, especially since it is probably beyond their control.

not to say there is no room for improvement, but imo US and western society is better than pretty much any other time or place i can think of treatment. it wasn't really that long ago that mentally ill were tortured and imprisoned, and in many other countries they are outcasts.

 

[JEDI]

Originally posted by: ViviTheMage
why take the easy way out ?

at least make it fun

Russian Roulette FTW!

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: yowolabi
A good quote I heard is that suicide is usually a "permanent solution to a temporary problem". Killing yourself to get back at somebody or because your heart was broken definitely qualifies.

I've never felt suicide was "selfish" however. If even your life isn't your own, what is?

Your life belongs to God. Don't throw it away.

But I don't think these peeps will go to hell, why is it that Jesus Christ sacrificed himself for our benefit? Thus it is that God forgives those that throw their lives away.

These people threw away their lives, but they aren't going to hell.

What got me was how full of regret and despair and anger these notes conveyed, even though I'm reading this on the internet.

 

[JEDI]

Originally posted by: Coquito
I've fucked up enough in life to feel the need for a restart at times. Problem is, I have no idea what will happen when. If I have to spend the next 125 years contemplating life just to be sure, then so be it.

life is the matrix. hit the reset button to start over again.

man, even tho i make LOTS of $, i would hit that reset button in a HEARTBEAT if i knew it was true

 

[silverpig]

Originally posted by: yowolabi
How long should you live just to make the people around you happy, if you can't find your own reasons for living? 10 years? 50 years? How selfish is it to tell somebody "you can't stop living because MY life would be fucked up".

What if the person decided to go live in a remote country without phone service for the rest of their lives instead? Would it be selfish to move because they'd be dead for all intents and purposes to the people they're leaving? Or do they have the obligation to seek happiness in their life regardless if it makes other people sad?

Like I said earlier, people kill themselves for ridiculous reasons sometimes, but there's no reason to feel anything but sympathy for those people.

I think a lot of people don't bother thinking about suicide much at all and just regurgitate the "it's selfish", "it's the easy way out" cliches about it every time it comes up.

It's something that has so many circumstances that it becomes impossible to categorize everyone who contemplates it into a single mindset.

A rich emo kid who does it cause his friends think it's cool to be constantly depressed, or who wants to get back at his parents for making him get a job is a far cry away from someone living in chronic pain with a terminal illness.

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: JEDI

Originally posted by: Coquito
I've fucked up enough in life to feel the need for a restart at times. Problem is, I have no idea what will happen when. If I have to spend the next 125 years contemplating life just to be sure, then so be it.

life is the matrix. hit the reset button to start over again.

man, even tho i make LOTS of $, i would hit that reset button in a HEARTBEAT if i knew it was true

You need to look up at the good things in your life. You've been blessed to live in a country that encourages and stimulates trade and the pursuit of happiness. You make money, you're probably living in a nice abode, have a spouse etc.

Look at the bright side of the life. And remember, at least you're not living in the 14th century!

 

[randomlinh]

Originally posted by: amjohns5
My fault, I never thought of it in that perspective.


Whats the difference between Depressed and Suicidal? My friend will have these totally random outbursts of "Depression." Where he doesn't want to answer anything I ask him, just "yes and no" answers. He has this blank expression and all he wants to do is sit around and piss about life. I asked him "What is your problem?" He tells me that he gets depressed because his dad used to get depressed and he inherited it. I call BS, he is a slacker in general, no goals, no motivation, and I just think he wants an excuse.

Am I not being a good friend on that subject?

maybe he has no goals and no motivation because he's so depressed... there's no way for anyone here to answer that for you, we don't know him. The fact he states he "inherited" it smells a little on the BS side, but there is truth to that if his father never encouraged him and always put him down. It can put you in a mindset you just can't get out of.

Is he a good friend? Sit his ass down and talk to him.