Originally posted by: yowolabi
A good quote I heard is that suicide is usually a "permanent solution to a temporary problem". Killing yourself to get back at somebody or because your heart was broken definitely qualifies.
I've never felt suicide was "selfish" however. If even your life isn't your own, what is?
It could also be a permanent solution to an ongoing or recurring problem, or in some cases a problem that very well may lack a solution.
Ultimately, you've got a life, you've got the ability to decide whether or not to keep it. It should be up to each of us whether or not we wish to continue living or not.
Originally posted by: Journer
suicide is extremely selfish. despite some peoples selfish ideals, your life is not only your own. your life is effected by and effects other around you. what you do and what they do has large impacts on each other. to be a little bitch and cop out and fuck up other people's lives is a shitty thing to do.
however, i think it has more to do with mindset. i would assume 99% of people commit suicide because they are upset about something stupid. however, I'm sure there are those who have done it because they are in extremely unbearable physical pain or are curious about death. I think if you are near the end of your life (old age or extremely ill) and you kill yourself it isn't that big of a deal. most everyone around you should be prepared anyways.
But what to do then? Completely give up the life you don't want anymore, and devote it to, what, exactly? Devote it to serving those around you? How can you continue to make those who care for you happy, when you feel no joy in continuing to live?
It just seems like it would be a very empty existence, and only serve to create misery in others anyway. Think of doing that, if there's someone who has already in their own mind committed suicide, what is it going to be like interacting with them? They could very well be very unresponsive and uncaring, which would bring down anyone attempting interaction. That doesn't sound like much fun either.
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
This one really struck me:
My mind -- always warped and twisted -- has reached the point where I can wait no longer -- I don't dare wait longer -- until there is the final twist and it snaps and I spend the rest of my life in some state run snake pit.
I am going out -- and I hope it is out -- Nirvanha, I think the Bhudaists (how do you spell Bhudaists?) call it which is the word for "nothing." That's as I have told you for years, is what I want. Imagine God playing a dirty trick on me like another life!!!
I've lived 47 years -- there aren't 47 days I would live over again if I could avoid it.
I think the bolded part may be the saddest thing I've ever read. It just makes me appreciate the little thigns in life that much more.
I know three people who have killed themselves. One was in high school over a girl - filled the bathtub with gasoline and hopped in with a match. Another was the father of my classmate - killed himself when we were in fifth grade by running the car in the garage. The most recent was an older guy and the one that I was closest to. He spent about 6 months in the hospital and finally got out. After about a month, cancer came back and he would have to go through treatment again and he couldn't, so he shot himself in the head in his house with an antique pistol. The last one really bothered me (and maybe it still does) because I visited him in the hospital just before he got out and the kids at my old elementary school (which happens to be across the street from his hospital window) all came outside and made a huge sign for him. He helped out over there all the time and we all loved him for it, but the pain was just too much.
I don't think people who kill themselves see suicide as the only way out. I think they see it as the only way out of a hopeless situation. I also think that one would have to be very deeply troubled mentally/emotionally to even consider it because of the sheer devastation it causes for everyone who cares about you.
True, it may not be seen as the only way out. Someone may see a way out, but they may also not want a way out, for all they see is more bleak despair, going from one form of hopelessness to another. Or even not as a way "out" in that sense, but just a way of making it all stop, if that makes any sense.
Or it may not be seen as the only way out, but the "best" way out, at least in the person's mind, one of those, "I feel like such a drain on everyone else, maybe they'd do better without me always bringing them down in every conceivable way." In that sense, it may be intended as a favor.
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