Suicide Bomber Kills 4 American Troops

[BarneyFife]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: kleinesarschloch

I dont see how you can equivocate a man rushing enemy lines with a guy in a car with a bomb

look, they are desperate and they are defending THEIR country. not a good combination. they are technologically outclassed by the US, so they are trying out methods other methods. do you expect them to just sit tight and wait for the bombs from the sky? i don't really like it any more than you do, but i understand why they are doing it.

Lets turn this around. Lets say the US falls victim to a "plague" and gets invaded by the (now) superior Chinese forces. Do you think WE are gonna follow the "rules of warfare" in defending OUR homeland?

We would be doing the same thing the Iraqis are doing (probably except for the suicide bombings) - and what would be left of our media would be praising our HEROS for killing invading soldiers.

Exactly. We can't invade another country that has done nothing to the US and expect them to play fair. These people are desperate and will do anything to win. We'd be doing the same things if another country invaded the US. I can bet that we'd have snipers set up in schools and hospitals. Desperate people do desperate things. We are seeing that now.

 

[jjones]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: jjones
Not much different than the Japanese using Kamikazes; it's just a sign of desperation. The sad thing is it will only make it more difficult for civilians in general and for soldiers wishing to surrender.

The difference is that the Kamikaze Pilots were in Military Uniforms and were in a Plane that clearly had the marking of the Japanese Military. The Suicide Bomber is dressed as a civilian with no markings of the Iraqi Military.

Hence my remark about this only making life more difficult for the general civilian population and surrendering soldiers. In past wars there has always been some deceptive killing going on, guerilla tactics, civilian militias, ambushes, etc.; this is more of the same.

 

[apoppin]

What about the Iraqis that Surrender? Are we testing them for infectious diseases?

 

[Morph]

I saw a news story on TV the other day where they were talking to a soldier in the field about the way Iraqis were fighting. He said something like 'well, the Iraqis are fighting us like terrorists instead of fighting us like men'. Man, it's so easy to talk about honor in war when you're on the side that's VASTLY superior in strength. Is it "fighting like men" to drop thousands of tons of bombs from the sky? Iraq does not have a snowball's chance in hell to fight this war by conventional means. Anytime they even show their faces in any kind of conventional military formation, they are summarily bombed into oblivion by a relentless US air support. The only chance they have is to use guerilla or terrorist tacts. And like everyone has said, if your homeland was being invaded by devils, you'd be doing it too.

 

[justint]

Originally posted by: Morph
I saw a news story on TV the other day where they were talking to a soldier in the field about the way Iraqis were fighting. He said something like 'well, the Iraqis are fighting us like terrorists instead of fighting us like men'. Man, it's so easy to talk about honor in war when you're on the side that's VASTLY superior in strength. Is it "fighting like men" to drop thousands of tons of bombs from the sky? Iraq does not have a snowball's chance in hell to fight this war by conventional means. Anytime they even show their faces in any kind of conventional military formation, they are summarily bombed into oblivion by a relentless US air support. The only chance they have is to use guerilla or terrorist tacts. And like everyone has said, if your homeland was being invaded by devils, you'd be doing it too.

This attack was not terrorism. Attacking military targets even with a suicide bombing is legitimate particularly when you are faced with a vastly superior foe.

What is all this crap about fighting like men?? Would you rather they run thier obsolete tanks into the open desert and get annihilated by our air force. Stop whining. A lot of you have never been in a real war, and in those wars the smart and the cunning win or at least survive longer. The Iraqis are figthing a classic asymmetrical war. Thier tactics are sound, and they have obviously learned a great deal from watching previous US operations and from forces such as Hezbollah which managed to run circles around the vasly superior Israelis for over a decade.


We need to start changing the playbook and realize that this operation is not going according to plan. Stop reacting and operate according to the realities of the situation.

 

[Tom]

"Attacking military targets even with a suicide bombing is legitimate "

No it isn't. If it was it would be the end of the human race on Earth. Thankfully there are relatively small few cultures on Earth that are so completely immoral that they use these tactics.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

The difference is that the Kamikaze Pilots were in Military Uniforms and were in a Plane that clearly had the marking of the Japanese Military. The Suicide Bomber is dressed as a civilian with no markings of the Iraqi Military.

Let me guess, the US has NEVER used subterfuge to achieve a military goal?

No it isn't. If it was it would be the end of the human race on Earth. Thankfully there are relatively small few cultures on Earth that are so completely immoral that they use these tactics.

Yeah . . . kinda like dropping nuclear weapons on cities . . . oops, I forgot . . . that saved lives

Regardless of my opinion as to impropriety of invading Iraq . . . I hope they planned for the likelihood of such attacks. Even a POS like Saddam has support.

 

[Macro2]

Governor moonbeam...

RE:"Macabro2, you belong on Saddam's side where people already don't matter. You don't diserve to be on American's side."

People matter but my people should not have to fight with one hand tied behind their back.
This happned in Viet Nam...

Take no prisoners they say!

 

[justint]

Originally posted by: Dead Parrot Sketch
"Attacking military targets even with a suicide bombing is legitimate "

No it isn't. If it was it would be the end of the human race on Earth. Thankfully there are relatively small few cultures on Earth that are so completely immoral that they use these tactics.

So it is only okay to attack military targets if you wear your uniform and approach in the prescribed manner?? I don't see what is so immoral about it. What is immoral is attacking civillians.

I also think, that any "culture" on earth can be pushed to using whatever tactics necessary when thier survival is threatened. Remember the US wouldn't be here if we hadn't used immoral, uncivilized, unorthodox tactics to fight the British.

 

[datalink7]

How is suicide bombing not a valid tactic? What are they supposed to form up in lines and shoot at us? How stupid would that be.

Suicide bombinb is valid in my opinion. On military targets. If you target civilians (such as the Palestinians do), then it becomes murder.

 

[elzmaddy]

It's just people killing people, really. The effect is the same. What you are arguing about is a style issue.

 

[Tom]

"The only chance they have is to use guerilla or terrorist tacts."

They don't have any chance using those methods either. They are just killing people for the sake of killing them. Just like the Palestinians.

Of course if your society is based on a belief that death is a good thing this is what you get.

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: BarneyFife

Exactly. We can't invade another country that has done nothing to the US and expect them to play fair. These people are desperate and will do anything to win. We'd be doing the same things if another country invaded the US. I can bet that we'd have snipers set up in schools and hospitals. Desperate people do desperate things. We are seeing that now.

EXACTLY!

Woudn't most of you do whatever it took to dfend your country if a more powerful army invaded it?

 

[exp]

I don't see a problem with suicide bombing *military* targets. True, it strikes me as a desperate tactic that would be rather ineffective over the long run, but I would not directly equate it with the usual terrorist tactics. I am not saying Iraq doesn't support terrorism (the payments to Palestinian families are evidence enough of that), just that this particular event is not necessarily relevant to that issue.

 

[sean2002]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Now if there are twenty million more of these waiting for us?

We have enough 20 megaton bombs to put them all in there place.

 

[Mark]

I hate the way the media is labeling these suicide bombings as "terrorist acts". THIER CONTRY IS BEING INVADED. Terrorist acts are ussally done in order to kill innocent civilians. These suicide bombers aren't terrorists, they aren't the ones who drop faulty $600,000 missles on markets that kill 58 innocent people.

 

[HappyNic]

Originally posted by: Mark
I hate the way the media is labeling these suicide bombings as "terrorist acts". THIER CONTRY IS BEING INVADED. Terrorist acts are ussally done in order to kill innocent civilians. These suicide bombers aren't terrorists, they aren't the ones who drop faulty $600,000 missles on markets that kill 58 innocent people.

agree, I was just to say that too, you know about Terrorist = attacking Civilian targets and not military targets in a WAR when dealing with a invading force that's technologically supperior in every single way. Not to mention your ground is there's for the bombing and you can do nothing about it.

Just think of this as a RTS game.

 

[LP29]

Originally posted by: Mark
I hate the way the media is labeling these suicide bombings as "terrorist acts". THEIR COUNTRY IS BEING INVADED. Terrorist acts are usually done in order to kill innocent civilians. These suicide bombers aren't terrorists, they aren't the ones who drop faulty $600,000 missles on markets that kill 58 innocent people.

I agree.

 

[HappyNic]

Originally posted by: Dead Parrot Sketch
"Attacking military targets even with a suicide bombing is legitimate "

No it isn't. If it was it would be the end of the human race on Earth. Thankfully there are relatively small few cultures on Earth that are so completely immoral that they use these tactics.

Then consider us all dead since this happens many many time already, used by every armed forces known in history.

 

[Oric]

I guess the US Military and Government knew what they were doing when they decided to invade a country in Middle East.

Come on guys, have you not been watching world news since this Gulf War 2 ?

In the Middle East people die for tehir country, suicide bombers are commonplace, yes it is a sign of desparation but if you are desperate WILL YOU give your life for your contry. In this part of the world the answer is YES.

You have made a mistake to open a war on Iraq. It will be long and bloody and nevertheless without an end. Ask the Israelis about it ...

 

[render]

Ask the Israelis about it

 

[Tom]

"Then consider us all dead since this happens many many time already, used by every armed forces known in history. "

No it hasn't. We are talking about "suicide bombing", not risky missions that could be thought of as suicidal because the risks of death are very great. They are not at all the same thing.

As already stated even the Kamikaze pilots of WW2 weren't as morally bankrupt as "suicide bombing" by people disguised as civilians.

If it is legitimate for the leadership of a country to use "suicide bombing" as a tactic, it is impossible for the other side to distinguish between civilian and soldier. The result would be that everybody would have to be killed. Cease-fire or even surrender would have no meaning. One side or the other would have to be completely eliminated.

It is only because one side, the coalition in this case, refuses to accept these attacks as legitimate, that there is any hope at all of avoiding complete elimination of the other side.

The same thing is true with the Palestinians. The only hope for resolution is that there are at least some Palestinians who are human. If there are then someday there might be peace there.


edit- just to clarify, the proper way to end a war is to have a cease-fire or to surrender. "Suicide bombing" in my opinion is a substitute for these civilized ways to end a conflict. If this method for ending a war is legitimate then the end result would be the elimination of the losing side, which is why I don't consider it legitimate.

 

[HappyNic]

The Japanese would happly made their Kamikazes Planes look like US Civilan crafts if they could improve their chances of hitting their target, but it wouldn't work, because no one would be stupid enough to felt for it. So they just use them "as is" with the rising sun logo and everything.

Would you take a bullet for your friend or family?, if you're family is killed but a invading group, would you conside doing a suicide run if you have no other options of taking revenge for your friend or family member's death.

check out C & C generals, you'll know what I mean.