Sugar Giants Threaten WHO

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Hi,

Just saw this article (heard this from other sources too) saying that US sugar producers are "unhappy" with tomorrow's WHO report suggesting that 10% sugar would be a healthy limit for personal intake in your diet. US sugar companies prefer 25% and are petitioning congress to withdraw $600 million WHO funding in response.

SUGAR ASSOCIATION CONTINUES DISAPPROVAL OF RELEASE OF MISGUIDED WHO DIET AND NUTRITION REPORT

Washington, DC - April 21, 2003 - The Sugar Association continues to voice its strong opposition to the release of the World Health Organization's Diet and Nutrition Report on Wednesday, April 23, 2003, in Rome. According to President and CEO Andrew Briscoe, "We remain adamant that any scientific report that affects world health policies and global implementation strategies must be based on the preponderance of scientific evidence." The response to date from Director General Gro Harlem Brundtland has not been acceptable. She continues to assert that the report considers "the best available evidence on the relationship between sugar and several health outcomes, particularly obesity and dental disease, in developing the recommendations for total added sugars." The WHO report is based on 11 scientific references - one of which is almost 30 years old. The blatant absences of the September 2002 release of the National Academy of Sciences' Dietary Reference Intakes Report and the 2001 publication of the USDA's Current Knowledge of the Health Effects of Sugar Intake causes WHO's credibility to be called into question when she continues to assert that the "best available science" was considered.


I have also heard that other country's sugar producers are lobbying against the recommendations of this report, though as yet I have been unable to acertain to what extent (links anyone?)

Groups that have lobbied the WHO include the American Association of Sugar Producers, the U.K.-based World Sugar Research Organisation and the Brussels-based European Committee of Sugar Manufacturers, he said.

Let us be clear - this is a recommendation and not some sort of law - but it seeks to water down the professional advice given by the WHO for the benefit of everyone's health. This debate has been raging for decades - and having personally reviewed some of the literature surrounding it I can see no way in which 25% intake of sugar could be considered remotely healthy. More so, with the increase in type 2 diabetes becoming an increasing concern throughout the developed world we need to take the "company funded" science or the questioning/belittling of independant science by those with a financial interest in sugar consumption with a huge pinch of salt. I'm already reminded how tobacco companies employed the same tactics to counter claims of the health implications of smoking.

Comments?

Cheers,

Andy
 

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Originally posted by: Fencer128
Hi,

Just saw this article (heard this from other sources too) saying that US sugar producers are "unhappy" with tomorrow's WHO report suggesting that 10% sugar would be a healthy limit for personal intake in your diet. US sugar companies prefer 25% and are petitioning congress to withdraw $600 million WHO funding in response.

Let us be clear - this is a recommendation and not some sort of law.

Comments?

Cheers,

Andy

If I remember correctly, dairy farmers in this country had a similar reaction when the .gov redrew the food pyramid.
 

Fencer128

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Originally posted by: burnedout
To be fair, it isn't just the Americans lobbying the WHO regarding sugar

Groups that have lobbied the WHO include the American Association of Sugar Producers, the U.K.-based World Sugar Research Organisation and the Brussels-based European Committee of Sugar Manufacturers

To answer your question, yes, I believe it is merely a recommendation.

Point taken - editing original post now (also, I wasn't asking as to whether it was a recommendation? :confused: )

Cheers,

Andy
 

Alistar7

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now thats a sick and dirty business, Fencer, take a look at what you find about dominican sugar and their "employees". Children fleeing towards America from all over SA get trapped there, forced to work long grueling hours, beaten, abused, hobbled, machete scars all over them, etc. One lump or two?

 

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Originally posted by: Alistar7
now thats a sick and dirty business, Fencer, take a look at what you find about dominican sugar and their "employees". Children fleeing towards America from all over SA get trapped there, forced to work long grueling hours, beaten, abused, hobbled, machete scars all over them, etc. One lump or two?

Didn't know about that but it sounds horrific - are these the "local" producers that feed the larger corporations with their raw sugar cane?

Cheers,

Andy
 

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Originally posted by: Fencer128
Originally posted by: Alistar7
now thats a sick and dirty business, Fencer, take a look at what you find about dominican sugar and their "employees". Children fleeing towards America from all over SA get trapped there, forced to work long grueling hours, beaten, abused, hobbled, machete scars all over them, etc. One lump or two?

Didn't know about that but it sounds horrific - are these the "local" producers that feed the larger corporations with their raw sugar cane?

Cheers,

Andy

my understanding is any sugar from there is tainted with the blood of child slaves, but it does still taste as sweet, you can buy some in almost every grocery store in america.
 

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Ok, found this:

Cane-cutters in the Dominican Republic

In the Dominican Republic, the collection of slaves for the busy harvest season is more random. The Dominican army, with the support of the State Sugar Council (known as the CEA), "hauls Haitians off public buses, arrests them in their homes or at their jobs, and delivers them to the cane fields," according to Charles Jacobs.

Some of the cane-cutters sign on to work voluntarily. When the number of workers does not meet the harvest's demand, the Dominican army is set into action. The army's captives are forced to work at gunpoint and beaten if they try to escape.

and giving more disturbing detail, this:

HAITI - SUGAR SLAVES

Next time you add sugar to your coffee, think of Andre Prevot. A Haitian, Prevot met a man who promised him a good job nearby in the Dominican Republic (DR). But, as we've seen with the Asian slavers, this is a classic lure. "He took me across the border and sold me to the Dominican soldiers for $8," explains Prevot. Once in their custody, he suffered the fate of thousands of his countrymen who are forced against their will to cut cane for six or seven months -- from December to June -- for little or no money.

Though many Haitians work willingly in the Dominican sugar plantations (Haiti is one of the poorest countries in the Western Hemisphere), there is a perennial shortfall at harvest time. The State Sugar Council, known as the CEA, fills the gap with a system that violates nearly every internationally recognized labor code against forced labor. Although political turmoil in Haiti has put an end to cross-border recruiting, the enslavement of blacks continues.

Before the coup to oust Aristide in 1991, Haitians were brought to the border by CEA-paid buscones, or "searchers," and sold to armed Dominican soldiers at so much per head. During the coup, the borders were closed, Haiti was militarized, and cross-border recruiting came to an end. But the flight of 30,000 frightened Haitians into the DR brought an ample supply of cane cutters to its own backyard.

Now, when the harvest shortfall comes, it's se epok chas la -- "open hunting season" -- on any Haitian in the DR. The Dominican army fans out across the country, hauls Haitians off public buses, arrests them in their homes or at their jobs, and delivers them to the cane fields. According to human-rights workers on the scene, "Any Haitian in the street can be arrested and sent to batey [shantytown]." After Marc Pierre, 24, crossed the border on a shopping day-trip to the DR, a soldier arrested and jailed him. "When I told him I didn't want to cut cane, he hit me with his rifle," says Pierre.

The captives are held in crowded, filthy barracks at military posts until their numbers are sufficient. Then they are driven in open trucks to the bateys, shantytowns on the edge of sugar plantations. Their belongings are confiscated, and they are handed machetes. To eat, they must work. They cannot leave. If they try to escape, they may be beaten.

Armed guards come for the sugar slaves at 5:00 a.m., banging on the doors with rifle butts. The men are taken into the fields to harvest cane for 12 or 14 hours under a brutal sun. Sharp cane leaves cut into their skin. They eat dried fish and rice and are permitted to drink the juice of sugarcane.

Back in the bateys, four or six Haitians share a small, dark room. They sleep on the concrete floor, sometimes on cardboard cartons, or, if lucky, on thin foam mats. There is no running water or cooking facilities, and there are few latrines. Some of the DR's 400 bateys have electricity and well water.

Though the Haitians are paid for their work -- $2 a ton -- this pitiable sum melts away in a system designed to steal from the least powerful. A skilled man can cut a ton and a half a day, theoretically earning $60 to $70 a month, but first he has to tip the weight man to weigh his work soon after it's cut: If it lies in the sun a day or two, it shrinks in weight. Then the men are paid in coupons (vales), which the local store discounts at 20 percent. Highly skilled, energetic workers might be left with $15 a month. The average fellow earns just enough to stay alive, not enough to support a family.

In the 1950s, state-sponsored forced labor was formalized through a contract between Haitian dictator "Papa Doc" Duvalier and the DR government. In effect, Duvalier sold Haitian laborers at $60 a head. Aristide publicly burned and buried "the contract." His new policy, along with a decade-long campaign by international human-rights groups, have led to some improvements.

In response to outside political pressure, for example, the DR has begun sending inspectors to monitor conditions in the bateys and granting contracts to the workers. Though it is reported that some plantation guards have been disciplined for mistreating workers, rights groups report no substantive change from these measures.

There were also programs to "normalize" the immigrant status of Haitians by registering workers with the department of immigration, and the DR issued permits of temporary resident status. The DR says 50,000 Haitians were registered, but Patrick Gavigan of the National Coalition for Haitian Rights in New York City sees this as a cosmetic maneuver: The Haitians still can't move around the country without fear of being arrested, sent to cut cane, or deported. They are still coerced to stay on the plantations. On the other hand, pressure to crack down on child labor has all but eliminated that practice, a major success for the reformers.

In 1991, U.S. trade representatives pushed for reforms, particularly an end to the deceptive recruitment practices. But instead of imposing restrictions on the import of sugar, the Bush administration accepted Dominican promises to improve conditions. This policy was unfortunate, according to Gavigan, who recently returned from an inspection trip. Even now, he says, whenever the plantation owners need labor for the harvest, a roundup of blacks begins.

What can Americans do? 'More than they might think," says Gavigan. The DR exports 72 percent of its sugar to the United States, and U.S. aid to the DR is over $20 million. "Congress and people doing business with the DR should be pressed to bring tremendous pressure to bear," proclaims Gavigan.

Finally, more and more Americans travel to the DR to lounge on its sun-drenched beaches, a hillside away from slaves cutting cane. Thousands of would-be tourists (and convention planners) could pick a less morally challenged destination and strike a blow for human decency. That would bring a clear message: The DR must bring its treatment of Haitians into line with the most basic of human-rights and labor standards. And it must stop making people work at gunpoint.

Cheers,

Andy
 

Alistar7

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Haiti will be fine, after the US used military force to restore a democratically elected leader in an impovrished nation they gave full control to the UN. Looks like they are doing just ducky....

all joking aside, this is a nasty business.
 

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Originally posted by: Alistar7
Haiti will be fine, after the US used military force to restore a democratically elected leader in an impovrished nation they gave full control to the UN. Looks like they are doing just ducky....

all joking aside, this is a nasty business.

Don't get me started on Haiti Alistar, you know that the US's trade has been responsible for some very adverse consequences there.

Cheers :),

Andy
 

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Is that why the UN is involved in lawsuits with Haiti?

Why do US trade practices affect Haiti, the UN is there. Even without the US they have the resources of the rest of the world at their disposal. Haiti is not very large, what have they accomplised in the years they have been there? What is it about US trade policies that have made them unable to stabilize the country?
 

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Originally posted by: Alistar7
Is that why the UN is involved in lawsuits with Haiti?

Why do US trade practices affect Haiti, the UN is there. Even without the US they have the resources of the rest of the world at their disposal. Haiti is not very large, what have they accomplised in the years they have been there? What is it about US trade policies that have made them unable to stabilize the country?

I was referring to this

It seems a little "reckless" at best.

Cheers,

Andy
 

Alistar7

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But after pressure from the international community, the Haitian government cut the tariffs it charged on imported rice. This meant the country opened up its markets to foreign imports.

Now this tiny Caribbean country has been flooded by cheap rice from America. Cheap imports which have been made possible because of the huge subsidies the US government gives its rice farmers.



They changed their import laws from pressure from the international comunity, the US gives them the best price the ycan get on the open market. How is that a negative on the US?

how did I know you would find a BBC article critical of the US?
 

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Originally posted by: Alistar7
But after pressure from the international community, the Haitian government cut the tariffs it charged on imported rice. This meant the country opened up its markets to foreign imports.

Now this tiny Caribbean country has been flooded by cheap rice from America. Cheap imports which have been made possible because of the huge subsidies the US government gives its rice farmers.



They changed their import laws from pressure from the international comunity, the US gives them the best price the ycan get on the open market. How is that a negative on the US?

If you keep reading you will get to the bit that says:

This has driven down the price of the locally produced rice - and led to serious consequences for the 20 per cent of the population who rely on rice for their living.

and

According to Oxfam, some rice farmers have had to leave their land in search of work in neighbouring Dominican Republic.

They say that many have had to take their children out of school because they can't pay the fees. And people are going hungry.

And as many as 50 per cent of children in Haiti are malnourished, with the highest rate in the rice-growing areas.

The cheap rice is destroying their domestic rice industry, resulting in increased poverty amongst rice growers and a growing depepndance on imported food.

Cheers,

Andy

EDIT:

how did I know you would find a BBC article critical of the US?

How did I know that you would assume all BBC articles are worthless because some employees made a complaint.
 

Alistar7

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Other forces at work today in Haiti's rice markets....

I noticed from the BBC article you linked 50% of the children were starving in rice growing areas, thank god the UN is there huh?

Seems to me their own govt. is more to blame for the market problems their rice farmers have than the US. How can the US stop smuggling organized by the govt. and military?

Let's just say I am not suprised the only possible reason given in the BBC article is the fault of the US, just as I am not suprised all the facts were not presented, nice to see what they decide to go with when they only have so much room.
 

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Originally posted by: Alistar7
Other forces at work today in Haiti's rice markets....

I noticed from the BBC article you linked 50% of the children were starving in rice growing areas, thank god the UN is there huh?

Seems to me their own govt. is more to blame for the market problems their rice farmers have than the US. How can the US stop smuggling organized by the govt. and military?

Let's just say I am not suprised the only possible reason given in the BBC article is the fault of the US, just as I am not suprised all the facts were not presented, nice to see what they decide to go with when they only have so much room.

I'm trying to stick to one thing at a time here. The imported rice is not helping the situation. Furthermore if, as quoted below, Haiti were to tax imported rice I believe this would go against the rules of "free trade" and may even have further implications from those wielding financial power. Haiti has one of the free-est (is that a word?) trade systems in the world.

It would seem logical for the Haitian government to impose a duty on imported rice amounting to five gourdes per sack, to bring the domestic rice into competitive equality with imported rice. Then the money raised by the duty could be used to subsidize Haitian rice, making it available at a lower price while simultaneously offering the rice farmers a better deal. Furthermore, the money raised with this duty could be used to improve rice cultivation methods
 

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The IMF forced Haiti to open its market to imported, highly subsidized U.S. rice at the same time it prohibited Haiti from subsidizing its own farmers, declares the Web site of Global Exchange, one of the Third World advocacy groups organizing the Washington protests.

Haitian farmers have been forced off their land to seek work in sweatshops, and people are poorer than ever.

Over the past two decades, a period of growing IMF tutelage over the Haitian economy, exports of American rice to Haiti have grown from virtually zero to more than 200,000 tons a year, making the poverty-stricken country of 7 million people the fourth-largest market for American rice in the world after Japan, Mexico and Canada. According to U.S. and Haitian economists, the result has been a massive shift in local consumption habits, with many Haitians now choosing cheap imported rice at the expense of domestically grown staples, including rice, corn and millet.

So this war forced on them by the IMF, and their own people still choose to buy the imported rice and other goods why? $$$. I think the first line is somewhat misleading, I doubt the IMF told Haiti they had to buy US rice, just open the market.

Nice to see the BBC presented a comprehensive clear picture....
 

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So we have 2 international groups, the IMF and the UN, one created a massive problem, the other is ?overseeing? the starvation of 50% of the children in some parts as a result.

What an endorsement.....
 

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Originally posted by: Alistar7
The IMF forced Haiti to open its market to imported, highly subsidized U.S. rice at the same time it prohibited Haiti from subsidizing its own farmers, declares the Web site of Global Exchange, one of the Third World advocacy groups organizing the Washington protests.

Haitian farmers have been forced off their land to seek work in sweatshops, and people are poorer than ever.

Over the past two decades, a period of growing IMF tutelage over the Haitian economy, exports of American rice to Haiti have grown from virtually zero to more than 200,000 tons a year, making the poverty-stricken country of 7 million people the fourth-largest market for American rice in the world after Japan, Mexico and Canada. According to U.S. and Haitian economists, the result has been a massive shift in local consumption habits, with many Haitians now choosing cheap imported rice at the expense of domestically grown staples, including rice, corn and millet.

So this war forced on them by the IMF, and their own people still choose to buy the imported rice and other goods why? $$$. I think the first line is somewhat misleading, I doubt the IMF told Haiti they had to buy US rice, just open the market.

Nice to see the BBC presented a comprehensive clear picture....

The article was on fair trade. Is it fair for the US to subsidise its rice producers so that they can undercut the Haiti rice growers and in doing so put them out of business and into poverty? That is the point of the article.

Cheers,

Andy

 

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They put nobody out of business. The people who buy the products do, the fault as you put it lies with the consumer.

You did not read any of the articles, you are copying and pasting selctive parts to suit your opinion. face it, the BBC, which is your main source, often is more concerned with their editorial bias than in the facts at hand.

You soley blame the US , while it the IMF that created this problem, there is corruption in the govt. which adds to the dilemma, and the international body you claim is the solution to everything has been there for years and yet this is still happening.


Blame the IMF, blame the UN, blame the govt. and the people of haiti, that's the problem, not the fact the US can supply rice cheaper. They can't produce an equal product at an equal price, and they don't even have to pay for shipping it internationally, I'm sure that more than offsets the subsidy. Doesn't change the fact ours is a better, healthier product that they willingly choose over their own domestic products. Do you hear us blaming the Chineese because in many instances we buy their products over our own due to price?
 

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Haiti Reaches Agreement With IMF

PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti (AP) - Haiti has agreed to cut spending and stabilize its currency in a deal with the International Monetary Fund that could pave the way for other institutions to release suspended funds, an IMF official said Tuesday.

Haiti, the Western Hemisphere's poorest nation, has sunk deeper into despair since international financial organizations suspended more than $500 million in aid to the Caribbean nation.

Some institutions also blocked loans after flawed legislative elections in May 2000. Citing increasing poverty, the Organization of American States urged financial institutions to normalize relations with Haiti, but its debts to the Inter-American Development Bank and the World Bank already have mounted to more than $60 million.

Haiti owes about $30 million to the Inter-American Development Bank and about $30 million to the World Bank.



well look at that, the international community turned their backs on Haiti and cut the money off, and look who led the effort on their behalf. Is there a BBC article on this?

Funny, we footed half the bill for aid alone, go figure, another relevant point not mentioned by the BBC.
 

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Originally posted by: Alistar7
They put nobody out of business. The people who buy the products do, the fault as you put it lies with the consumer.

Spoken like a true capitilist. Regardless of the fact that 1/5th of Hiati's population are dependant on rice sales just to get by and that the only way the US rice is competing is through government subsidies.

You did not read any of the articles, you are copying and pasting selctive parts to suit your opinion. face it, the BBC, which is your main source, often is more concerned with their editorial bias than in the facts at hand.

You have also cut and pasted selectively Alistar. I hear your opinion on the BBC bias but I do not see it in the same scale as you do. Noweher near and certainly not as an excuse for everything the BBC publishes that might offend some in the US. Their are plenty of articles published that don't malign the US you know.

You soley blame the US , while it the IMF that created this problem, there is corruption in the govt. which adds to the dilemma, and the international body you claim is the solution to everything has been there for years and yet this is still happening.

Wrong on that I'm afraid. I blame the US government for subsidising its rice producers so to unfairly put Haiti's rice growers in the shade and into poverty. The IMF opened up trade barriers - they did not decide who traded what and at what price. Where did the UN thing come from? I'm talking about US rice imports.


Blame the IMF, blame the UN, blame the govt. and the people of haiti, that's the problem, not the fact the US can supply rice cheaper. They can't produce an equal product at an equal price, and they don't even have to pay for shipping it internationally, I'm sure that more than offsets the subsidy. Doesn't change the fact ours is a better, healthier product that they willingly choose over their own domestic products. Do you hear us blaming the Chineese because in many instances we buy their products over our own due to price?

The US can subsidise its growers in order to deliberately supply cheap rice. That's the point. Not actually cheap but subsidised cheap. The "free" trade that has opened up has stabbed Haiti in the back.

Cheers,

Andy
 

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something you apparently missed when you "read" the articles...



"We don't take the position that we don't need the IMF and the World Bank, and that IMF policies are diabolical," said Yvon Neptune, a spokesman for former president Jean-Bertrand Aristide, who has described capitalism as "evil." "We are saying we want to sit down and negotiate with the IMF, and adjust their policies to the reality of Haiti."

Attempts to promote alternative models of development in Haiti in recent years have run aground from political infighting, lack of funds and impracticality. A pilot land reform project in the Artibonite valley has failed to increase rice yields, and in some ways even made matters worse, leading to the breakup of relatively efficient farms and the decay of irrigation systems.

Unable to produce enough rice to satisfy domestic demand, or even feed their own families, the rice growers of the Artibonite are close to despair, and caught in a seemingly unresolvable contradiction.

"The introduction of American rice has hurt us terribly," said Claudes Derilus, a 29-year-old rice farmer in Pont-Sonde. "But if it wasn't for this rice, Haitians would die of hunger."

is there a BBC articles which states Haiti would be a graveyard of people who starved to death if not for the US? how about their own inability to satisfy domestic need?
 

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- they did not decide who traded what and at what price

who did? Did haiti just buy trhe cheapest they could find, yes.

of course you blame only the US, while the truth is all around you in this thread.

look at what the people of Haiti think.