silverpig
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Shootouts are the absolute worst way to end any game.
Hmm, you guys tied your soccer game, so let's go play something else to determine the winner.
Hockey has it pretty good now. Short OT + shootouts in the regular season, but when the playoffs come in it really matters, just let them play.
HardcoreRobot
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i dont see a problem with ties, except in playoff games
ideal would be similar to college...
team A kicks off, team B gets one drive
at the end of the drive, regardless of field pos, team B then kicks off to team A and they get a chance. repeat until someone scores and the other doesnt. can shorten the field if taking too long.
ideal would be similar to college...
team A kicks off, team B gets one drive
at the end of the drive, regardless of field pos, team B then kicks off to team A and they get a chance. repeat until someone scores and the other doesnt. can shorten the field if taking too long.
Drakkon
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I say bring XFL rules into the mix...mad dash to the ball on the 50 yd line from each end zone. He who grabs it their team gets the ball. Screw this coin toss crap.
Then 5 minute with 1 30 second TO "sub-quarter" in which at the end of 5 minutes whoever is up wins. Redo if still tied.
Then 5 minute with 1 30 second TO "sub-quarter" in which at the end of 5 minutes whoever is up wins. Redo if still tied.
SP33Demon
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And statistically speaking since 1994 there hasn't been >1000 overtimes, I guarantee you. Sample group is too small, have you ever taken stat 101 and done the coin flip experiment?
Even assuming 3 OT's a week since 1994, that would only = 672. Not a large enough sample to make a conclusion.
AMDZen
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- Apr 15, 2004
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In the playoffs it would be different, then you would have the SD after the initial OT period. Personally I think most games that end in a tie after regulation would probably not remain as such after another 7-8 minute period. I'd say give it a try for one year at least and see what happens. Personally I think any change to this rule will be a good one, I just don't like the way it is now.
I'd like to see a time-limited overtime; 10 minutes, 15 minutes, whatever.
Score at the end of overtime is the final score during the regular season, ties allowed. Playoffs could have multiple overtimes.
Score at the end of overtime is the final score during the regular season, ties allowed. Playoffs could have multiple overtimes.
Not completely. If they were at the 8 yard line about to score, they would be better off going for the score since OT would have them back at their own 20 or so once the opponent kicks off to them.
yeah this is the best 1 extended quarter of 15 minutes. coin flip determines ball and field as the regular game. this way the other team has a chance at getting the ball back.
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I would love to see the NFL adopt some variant of the college rule. I think it's more fair to fans, and as an offensive player I'd rather have a crack at it instead leaving it entirely in the hands of the defense.
How much do you think do you think it' burned Peytons ass last week to watch Sproles light up the defense and not have a turn of his own?
How much do you think do you think it' burned Peytons ass last week to watch Sproles light up the defense and not have a turn of his own?
The biggest argument against SD is the team that didn't get the ball in OT didn't have a chance to win. Last time I checked, there are three majors parts to a football team:
1) Offense
2) Defense
3) Special Teams
With this said, if your defense can't stop their offense then your football "team" isn't very good and probably should lose. They did have a chance to win - it is just that their defense wasn't good enough to do it.
The only part of Sudden Death I don't like is the coin toss. The team that scored last (to tie the game) should not get the ball. That way they have to choose to go for a TD (vs a FG) or a 2 point conversion (vs a PAT) to win the game or to tie it and give the ball to the opposition.
1) Offense
2) Defense
3) Special Teams
With this said, if your defense can't stop their offense then your football "team" isn't very good and probably should lose. They did have a chance to win - it is just that their defense wasn't good enough to do it.
The only part of Sudden Death I don't like is the coin toss. The team that scored last (to tie the game) should not get the ball. That way they have to choose to go for a TD (vs a FG) or a 2 point conversion (vs a PAT) to win the game or to tie it and give the ball to the opposition.
BeauJangles
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Well, Peyton should have converted that 3rd and 2 if he didn't want to leave it up to his defense.
Does anyone know of an instance where the team that won the coin flip chose to kick?
Even defense-oriented teams like the Bears and Ravens would choose to receive.
It's a definite advantage. Imagine 2 with terrible defenses, tied something like 56-56, going into overtime. The team that wins the toss has the edge.
When more well-rounded teams are involved, it's less of an issue. A great defense will beat out a great offense.
Even defense-oriented teams like the Bears and Ravens would choose to receive.
It's a definite advantage. Imagine 2 with terrible defenses, tied something like 56-56, going into overtime. The team that wins the toss has the edge.
When more well-rounded teams are involved, it's less of an issue. A great defense will beat out a great offense.
Well, like I said - defense-oriented teams.
The Bears had (have) a god-awful offense, but their defense got them to a Super Bowl. If given the option, I wonder if they would trust the defense to score rather than the offense.
It is NOT an advantage to receive the ball first. On the radio yesterday I heard that out of 25 overtime playoff games, only 12 teams that chose to receive won the game. LESS than half. The regular season is not much different, they didn't have the numbers but I'm sure it is less than 55/45 for the receiving team.
The college system is retarded, the nfl system is fine. So what if one team has an amazing offense, its still your job to stop them.
The college system is retarded, the nfl system is fine. So what if one team has an amazing offense, its still your job to stop them.
AstroManLuca
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The advantage to kicking off to start OT is that, if your defense can force the other team to go three and out, you can get better field position.
Think about it. The receiving team gets a kickoff, which will put them more or less at their own 20. If they are stopped around their own 30, they'll punt and the other team will get it somewhere around their own 35, with a chance to get 10 or more yards (or even a TD) on the punt return. And then even if they also go three and out, they'll be able to pin the other team really deep in their own territory.
I still wouldn't elect to kick if I was the coach, but it's not as big of a disadvantage as many people think it is.
FYI, for those who are asking, college overtime rules work sort of like a shootout, like so:
1. Winner of the coin flip elects to go on offense or defense first. Defense is the better choice because each team gets one offensive possession per OT period regardless of what happens.
2. Team 1 goes on offense, starting from their opponent's 25 yard line. Once that team scores or turns the ball over, they give it to team 2.
3. Team 2 then goes on offense, with the goal of scoring more points than Team 1 did. If they score the same number, it goes to a second overtime period.
4. Starting with the third overtime period, if you score a touchdown, you must try for a 2-point conversion.
5. There is no limit to how many overtime periods are played.
Turnovers are basically fatal since each team starts within field goal range.
Think about it. The receiving team gets a kickoff, which will put them more or less at their own 20. If they are stopped around their own 30, they'll punt and the other team will get it somewhere around their own 35, with a chance to get 10 or more yards (or even a TD) on the punt return. And then even if they also go three and out, they'll be able to pin the other team really deep in their own territory.
I still wouldn't elect to kick if I was the coach, but it's not as big of a disadvantage as many people think it is.
FYI, for those who are asking, college overtime rules work sort of like a shootout, like so:
1. Winner of the coin flip elects to go on offense or defense first. Defense is the better choice because each team gets one offensive possession per OT period regardless of what happens.
2. Team 1 goes on offense, starting from their opponent's 25 yard line. Once that team scores or turns the ball over, they give it to team 2.
3. Team 2 then goes on offense, with the goal of scoring more points than Team 1 did. If they score the same number, it goes to a second overtime period.
4. Starting with the third overtime period, if you score a touchdown, you must try for a 2-point conversion.
5. There is no limit to how many overtime periods are played.
Turnovers are basically fatal since each team starts within field goal range.
BeauJangles
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Yeah it's happened a few times. I believe the Bears or the Ravens have won the toss and chosen to kick.
Like I said above, despite the controversy, the team that wins the toss only goes on to win 51% of the time.
eplebnista
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