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knyghtbyte

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few myths cleared up.....

the majority of c/c company revenue comes from the borrowers who DO NOT settle their account monthly....there are far more people who end up paying interest on credit than dont......quite simply for every 1 person who manages to pay off or transfer to another card with no interest transfer promotion there are 8 people who dont....(this also includes penalties for late/failed payments etc)

the second biggest source of revenue is of course the small percentage they take on monetary transactions and the even smaller percentage on purchases, dont forgot, most times you purchase on a c/c it isnt likely to be more than a few hundred (£/$/Euro/Whatever)....very few people have cards with enough limit to buy very expensive luxury items (ie cheaper-mid range cars, a new fitted kitchen etc) these things are usually done on loans or bankers drafts (a form of cleared cheque, dunno wot US equivelent is).

third source of course is partner revenue, ie companies they have links with concerning advertising etc.....

now, for credit scoring myths.....

your credit scoring isnt just based on credit card history, its based on everything financial you have done in your life thats been recorded somewhere in a financial institution......this includes credit cards, wages, inland bank accounts, mortgages, loans....plus other things such as penalties given against you for late payments etc.....

what they tell you when you sign up and pay to check your credit history isnt the full thing, thats the general summary, some things you are actually not allowed to see due to data-protection acts concerning the companies that your data has been collated from..

now, i never had a credit card till i was 26 (28 now), but i'd been paying money regularly in to a bank account from a regular job for a long time, i had no overheads due to living at home with my parents still, no dependants......so from what some people here are saying, i'd have a crap credit history as no one has loaned me money......so how come when i applied for a credit card they gave their Platinum card straight away with a £1,000 limit (US$1,800).......which i immediately blew on a surround amp.....i then applied for an Amazon Mastercard, they gave me a £1,750 (US$2,500 approx) limit no questions asked.........its simple, i've never proven i couldnt repay, even tho i missed a payment once due to general forgetfullnes....i have multiple direct debits for various services, a constant job......my history is good, and my rating is good....yet my past would indicate from what some people say im a risk....hah...obviously not.

Oh, and Capital One are giving me a credit card, apparently it will have a limit big enough to handle the balance transfers im doing and then some.....those are around £800 total (summer is quiet for revenue for me so paying off the last of my home cinema is going to happen once september and the winter months hits, hence moving money to an interest free promo card with Cap1).

Students are usually offered credit as the card companies know there is a)a good chance the student will get a job and pay it back, or if not b)their parents will get them out of hock and pay it.....lol....oh and if you are a good student and do pay it back it will stand you in good stead as you get older for more credit....

there is one time having multiple credit cards can be bad tho, when applying for a mortgage....having too many cards shows you have a desire to spend willy-nilly, something mortgaging banks dont like.........

oh, my source of info is my sister who has worked for various banks/card companies, including the big clearing houses, foriegn transfers, even the Queens bank for a while...heh......
its always possible card companies outside of the UK work their ways differently, but i'd be surprised if it was that much different with a country like the USA.....

(btw, my job only earns me £13,000 a year and that includes my expected comission..thats about US$19,500 a year...not a bad amount of credit given for the salery)

 

Vic

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Originally posted by: DaTT
Always paying it in full actually hurts you in the end. You do not build credit with the bureau. Keep a balance for a while, you will build your score.
No. This is just wrong. Let's use an example and say that you charge up $200 on your major credit card account every month, and pay off that $200 in full every month. If you were to check your credit every month, it would show a $200 balance for that account, each and every month, along with a "paid as agreed" comment for each and every previous month. They could guess, but the bureaus would not know that you pay it off in full each month only to charge it up some more. They could also assume that you made the minimum payment and charged up that difference (to bring the balance back to $200) each and every month. If (as a further example) your limit on that account was $1000, then you would have a consistent 20% balance-to-limit ratio for your FICO scoring. Regardless of whether you paid it off and re-charged it each month or made the minimum and held the consistent balance, the effect on your credit score would be the exact same.
 

knyghtbyte

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Originally posted by: Omegachi
did you know... if you have perfect credit, credit card companys will not let you apply for their cards because they know they won't make money off of you?... well, now you know.

oh, forgot to comment on the OPs actual post, its actually cheaper for them to give you the card....

once your account is set up and running they dont actually have to do ah heck all other than whip of a statement once a month.....

if you dont have a card, their marketing dept spends a lot more sending you junk mail & employing people to pester you on the phone....lol (oh and more or less everyone is targeted by the junk mail now, regardless of your history, they just refuse you if they want when you phone up....heh)

On a differently related note, one thing i find amusing from what friends have told me is how they always send you the letter saying you can have their top of the range premium card with the lowest interest rate blah blah...then when you read the small print on the bit you sign, it says once we have done a full credit check we may send you an alternative card from our range......hehe...in other words, this letter says you will get 12% annual rate on the premium mastercard...but you will actually be sent the final form to sign giving you the classic visa at 24.9% APR...lol
 

Vic

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No again. According to FICO, 48% of all credit card holders do not carry a balance. 54% of all consumers have less than $5,000 in all non-mortgage-related debt (this includes cars). Only 30% of consumers carry more than $10,000 in all non-mortgage-related debt (this also includes cars), and fewer than 10% of all credit card holders carry total credit card balances in excess of $10,000. Less than 4 in 10 consumers have ever missed a single payment. The average FICO score is 685, which is A credit to most lenders. If you have bad credit, carry a consistent credit balance in excess of $5,000, or even a single 30-day late 5 years ago, you are the minority.

The primary source of income for credit card providers comes from transaction fees. They want people to use their cards. A lot and often. This is what cash back rewards are all about. Yes, they do derive income from those who carry balances, but it is much less than most people think. Lenders borrow the money they lend too.
 

AgaBoogaBoo

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To the OP, I didn't read the replies, but they do have processing fees for transactions that the merchant has to pay...
 

Omegachi

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Originally posted by: xgsound
Call your current CC company and get the limit raised for starters.

With 1 CC it sounds like you're starting to build your credit. Is that correct? If so keep in mind that debt is not good. Paying off 1 CC monthly is not perfect credit. They want to see numerous things that were paid off in a timely manner. People in thier 50's that always pay cash and don't own property have no credit either.

If you must go into debt, be sure it's for something that helps you make money. Some things would be a dependable car to get to work or a roof over your head.

There are many things to do to "build credit" for credit's sake, but I don't suggest any of them.

Why did you want another CC?


Jim


right now i have an american savings bank cc and it doesn't have any benefits... i want a citibank dividend card that gives cashback and stuff... and that was what i applied for.

my limit on my american savings bank cc is pretty high, they kept raising it for a while but stopped... i think its around 5000 or so.

so... what do you guys suggest me do?
 
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Originally posted by: Tiamat
I pay all my credit card bills early, and after a year of doing this, now my mail box gets flooded with credit cards from Capital One, all sorts of freq flyer miles stuff, for insanely high credit lines. Its really annoying having to shred 3 letters every day :|

Credit card co. make the most money off of the good credit people because everytime you swipe, the store or restaurant pays a fee to allow you to swipe.

If you have college loans (and are still in college) does this help obtain "credit" or is that a myth?

I know what you mean. I get around 3/day :Q
 

OdiN

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This is wrong. I have perfect credit. I have never missed a payment on anything in my entire life. Ever. I get no less than 3,219 credit card offers per week. Whenever I have applied for a card, I have gotten it with no problems.
 

wiredspider

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You don't deserve credit! If you do have good credit then they make gobs of money off of you because each time you use, they charge the merchant. Someone with bad credit, well they aren't getting any money today, eventually they will get the money, maybe...
 

Orsorum

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So much misinformation in this thread. Listen to Vic, he's said everything I can think of that needs to be said.
 

jamesbond007

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Not to threadjack, but I have a single credit card (and a debit/credit card, but I'm guessing that does nothing towards my credit score) and I am wondering if I should get a second. What cards out there (other than my Visa) are widely accepted and have good benefits? I think my mom and brother both have Discover alongside their Visa, but what do you guys like? My current credit card has an $8k limit and I'm sure it'll be a Platinum the next time they upgrade me.

What else can I do to up my credit rating?
 

kranky

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Originally posted by: TGS
Even let a balance idle for a while and take your time making the minimum payment.

That's just flat wrong. Please refrain from commenting on personal finance topics in the future.

 

surreal1221

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Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: Omegachi
no, i applied for a citicard, and they rejected me. so i called them up and asked for the reason why.

this is what it saids on the rejection letter i got:

"your credit bureau report shows you have no revolving accounts with a balance."

That doesn't mean you have perfect credit.

lol, the naive ones never last too long.
 
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Originally posted by: jamesbond007
Not to threadjack, but I have a single credit card (and a debit/credit card, but I'm guessing that does nothing towards my credit score) and I am wondering if I should get a second. What cards out there (other than my Visa) are widely accepted and have good benefits? I think my mom and brother both have Discover alongside their Visa, but what do you guys like? My current credit card has an $8k limit and I'm sure it'll be a Platinum the next time they upgrade me.

BetterCreditCard.com (by RossMAN, if i'm not mistaken)
 
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Vic is correct - I went thru my credit report and against each card, the words "PAYS AS AGREED" appear next to my credit limit. Doesn't say if I paid in full or not.

Also, Wikipedia is your friend.
 

RossMAN

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Originally posted by: hotchilisauce
Vic is correct - I went thru my credit report and against each card, the words "PAYS AS AGREED" appear next to my credit limit. Doesn't say if I paid in full or not.

Yep mine shows "PAYS AS AGREED" all across the board :thumbsup:
 

alphatarget1

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good credit = tons of solicitations on CCs

haven't gotten a lot of those after putting one CC at 90% utilization :p