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Subcompacts and Mid Sized sedans dont mix says the IIHS

Should change the title of the thread because the big news is how bad the Smart car did and looks in these tests.

 
The Fit didn't look too bad. I wouldn't expect the smart car to do well...I mean...if it had done well I would have been making the engineers responsible gods.
 
Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
Honestly, most accidents I see are a car vs. a stationary object. Oak trees are a crowd favorite.
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The most common one I see is some moron plowing into the back of the vehicle in front of them because they weren't paying attention and/or following too closely.
 
In other news, go into a gunfight with a knife and you stand to die.

I wonder how many people think about these when they buy these tiny little coffins that look cute but are woefully inadequate when up against another vehicle. Lack of safety would be a significant reason I'd avoid one of these little things. The numbers are, not suprisingly, quite damning, and like a large man running into a small, the small gets rebounded back while the large stops or keeps going.
The most common one I see is some moron plowing into the back of the vehicle in front of them because they weren't paying attention and/or following too closely.
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Me, too. I don't know what the actual stats are but most I see are vehicle accidents and almost always to do with rear-endings. If you're in a yaris and billy bob in his F350 isn't paying attention, you might as well just forget it.
 
Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
Honestly, most accidents I see are a car vs. a stationary object. Oak trees are a crowd favorite.
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A little Lynyrd Skynyrd there?

"Whiskey bottle,
Brand new car,
Oak tree, you're in my way."

ZV
 
Originally posted by: Skoorb
In other news, go into a gunfight with a knife and you stand to die.

I wonder how many people think about these when they buy these tiny little coffins that look cute but are woefully inadequate when up against another vehicle. Lack of safety would be a significant reason I'd avoid one of these little things. The numbers are, not suprisingly, quite damning, and like a large man running into a small, the small gets rebounded back while the large stops or keeps going.
The most common one I see is some moron plowing into the back of the vehicle in front of them because they weren't paying attention and/or following too closely.
Click to expand...
Me, too. I don't know what the actual stats are but most I see are vehicle accidents and almost always to do with rear-endings. If you're in a yaris and billy bob in his F350 isn't paying attention, you might as well just forget it.
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On the flip side, people buy mobile living rooms to feel "safe" and it ends up in an automotive arms race which featured the Excursion and H2. At the rate it was going, soccer moms were going to need class B drivers licenses to pick up the kids from school in a few years.
 
I wonder what the crash results would be for compact vs. mid-sized (e.g. Civic vs. Accord; Corolla vs. Camry etc.). Many compact cars have similar or better fuel economy ratings compared to sub-compacts, but are a bit larger and heavier. My guess is they would perform much better.

I tried an advanced search on Google but I couldn't find any such tests.
 
Originally posted by: InflatableBuddha
I wonder what the crash results would be for compact vs. mid-sized (e.g. Civic vs. Accord; Corolla vs. Camry etc.). Many compact cars have similar or better fuel economy ratings compared to sub-compacts, but are a bit larger and heavier. My guess is they would perform much better.

I tried an advanced search on Google but I couldn't find any such tests.
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You can't compare them directly but I am sure Midsized beats compact

I wouldn't call an Accord midsized anymore tbh (not the current gen)

To me what was interesting when I compared subcompacts to compacts and their bigger brothers like Accord/Camry I noticed that the subcompacts and compacts had much worse performance in all areas (didnt check safety) except fuel economy.
 
Originally posted by: Skoorb
In other news, go into a gunfight with a knife and you stand to die.

I wonder how many people think about these when they buy these tiny little coffins that look cute but are woefully inadequate when up against another vehicle. Lack of safety would be a significant reason I'd avoid one of these little things. The numbers are, not suprisingly, quite damning, and like a large man running into a small, the small gets rebounded back while the large stops or keeps going.
The most common one I see is some moron plowing into the back of the vehicle in front of them because they weren't paying attention and/or following too closely.
Click to expand...
Me, too. I don't know what the actual stats are but most I see are vehicle accidents and almost always to do with rear-endings. If you're in a yaris and billy bob in his F350 isn't paying attention, you might as well just forget it.
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I like compact cars but it?s not like I appreciate a lot my life. Anyway I also tend to like the four doors F150s.
 
Originally posted by: BassBomb
Originally posted by: InflatableBuddha
I wonder what the crash results would be for compact vs. mid-sized (e.g. Civic vs. Accord; Corolla vs. Camry etc.). Many compact cars have similar or better fuel economy ratings compared to sub-compacts, but are a bit larger and heavier. My guess is they would perform much better.

I tried an advanced search on Google but I couldn't find any such tests.
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You can't compare them directly but I am sure Midsized beats compact

I wouldn't call an Accord midsized anymore tbh (not the current gen)

To me what was interesting when I compared subcompacts to compacts and their bigger brothers like Accord/Camry I noticed that the subcompacts and compacts had much worse performance in all areas (didnt check safety) except fuel economy.
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Haha, yea I forgot, the new Accord is a "large" car. Assume the previous generation, just for argument's sake.

I don't think you can group subcompacts and compacts together though. The latest generation Civic and Corolla got excellent crash ratings in all areas. As I mentioned, the fuel economy is equal or better in compacts that sub-compacts, and overall performance (acceleration, braking, etc.) is much better, though not quite as good as mid-sized vehicles.

I think you're right that the mid-sized vehicles would fare better in crashes against compact vehicles, but I'm wondering if the discrepancy would be lessened. That is, would people actually survive a compact vs. mid-sized collision with only minor injuries, unlike the current grim scenario for sub-compacts vs. mid-sized.
 
Performance I was referring to was that Camry/Accord had identical acceleration while being much heavier, yet better handling and braking than their Corolla/Civic, Yaris/Fit younger siblings
 
The c class and camry fared surprisingly badly. In both toyotas the dummy hit the steering wheel _through_ the airbag and in the c class, somehow the side airbag didn't do it's job and the dummy head hit the b pillar hard

Not only did the dummy in the accord fare best, the dummy in the fit was relatively (as small cars go) okay.

Moral of the story is honda seem to be safer.
 
I just don't get the point of sub-compacts in the US. The mileage benefits is minimal considering the decrease in size compared to a compact. I can see them being useful in Europe where many roads are literally too small to handle large vehicles, so the smaller the better, but there aren't many places that have that issue over here. I'd rather get a bit more car and get a compact.

The only advantage I can see is that sub-compacts seem to get hatchbacks consistently.
 
Originally posted by: Skoorb
In other news, go into a gunfight with a knife and you stand to die.

I wonder how many people think about these when they buy these tiny little coffins that look cute but are woefully inadequate when up against another vehicle. Lack of safety would be a significant reason I'd avoid one of these little things. The numbers are, not suprisingly, quite damning, and like a large man running into a small, the small gets rebounded back while the large stops or keeps going.
The most common one I see is some moron plowing into the back of the vehicle in front of them because they weren't paying attention and/or following too closely.
Click to expand...
Me, too. I don't know what the actual stats are but most I see are vehicle accidents and almost always to do with rear-endings. If you're in a yaris and billy bob in his F350 isn't paying attention, you might as well just forget it.
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I ride a motorcycle so I can't really go bitching about how unsafe a Smart car is though. 😉
 
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