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Subarau Legacy 2.5GT spec B

DarkThinker

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What do you guys think about that Sedan or Legacy in general?

I was thinking today. I have never been a Subarau guy to be honest, never got into that WRX business and all of that. But I really like the Legacy. Decent power (240+), 6 speed manual, AWD, can be had for a decent price especially when second hand.

How is the maintenance for these boxer cars? Is it a PITA? How costly is it? How is ride quality and all?

Everything about it seems right to me. The price is not bad, the design is excellent, the interior is high quality. Available in manual and sports a nice variety of engine options.... not bad all around.
 
My friend has one. I loved it in stock form and it's a blast once you flash the ECU and make 250whp/300wtq+. He dropped his one inch and the ride is still close to stock. Mechanically it's been perfect with close to 60,000 miles on it.
 
To each his own, so take my experience with a grain of salt ... I wasn't impressed with the 2.5GT at all (I had looked at a couple 2006's last year). The interior felt cramped and cheap, power delivery was anything but smooth, the clutch was awkward, and dropping the hammer didn't even as much as put a grin on my face. I had very high expectations for it based on everything that I had read and heard about them. I left the dealership very disappointed. I ended up waiting, shopping around and picked up 2006 Mazdaspeed6 instead.
 
The Legacy is the best car that Subaru makes, the new model is really lame looking but will have a much bigger interior, more power, frames on the windows, and only marginally heavier.

It's pretty damn ugly though.

But this means you could probably get a good deal on the model you're looking at.

Mechanically it should be rock solid, maintenance is a little more of a chore because of the turbo, you just need to check your oil levels, and keep up the change schedule.



 
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Nice car but not very luxurious, far from free, and not large inside.

my wife has the standard legacy 2.5 and I dread driving it ... aside from the fact that the 2.5 coupled to the autotranny has no balls ... I just can't ever get comfortable. The backseat has no legroom whatsoever and I feel like the passenger is sitting right ontop of me. That's ok if it's my wife ... 😉
 
Maintenance is just like any other car, nothing different. The spark plugs are more of a bitch to get to, but nothing unique about service intervals or anything.

The 05-06's apparently eat wheel bearings like no one's business. My 06's were bad when I got the car at 38K miles. Not sure if the 07+'s are effected (07+ are the only Spec. B's with 6-speed transmissions).

The ride quality is fine. Not harsh by any means. The Spec.B will actually ride a little better, as the Bilsteins are quite a bit nicer shock. However the handling isn't much improved, still tons of body roll and pitch. I rode in a Spec. B with JDM STi Pink springs and Cobb sway bars - talk about smooth and flat. I'm going to switch to that suspension eventually.

I don't know why people complain about the interior quality. The plastics are fine. I wish they'd used padding on the door elbow rest things, but otherwise it's fine. If you want a nicer interior, okay that's fair, but the quality is fine for what it is.

The clutch takes getting used to. Frankly, I don't like it at all. It's vague and either the damn gears are spaced so widely or the flywheel is too heavy or the software doesn't let RPM's drop fast enough, because you have to wait forever for the damn revs to drop between shifts - esp 1 to 2. I'm not trying to rip gears here, I just don't spend much time with the clutch pedal in between shifts.

If I was any bigger, I wouldn't be comfortable in the car. I'm 6' 4" 250lb. I appreciate it's a smaller and lighter vehicle, but it is borderline for me.

The stock stereo speakers suck ass. The seat warmers take 10 minutes to get toasty (this is the only car I've had with them).

Frankly this is one of the few cars that you will find with decent power, manual transmission, AWD (or RWD), decent features (leather, heated seats, MP3 in 07+ models), decent MPG (lifetime average for me is 21 via fill-up, lots of short trips), and reasonable cost.

If you don't need the AWD, you might consider an Infiniti G35, but it will cost more for same year & mileage.

The Mazdaspeed6 is a great car, I test drove one before buying my 06. My main issue with it was that it was more expensive for the higher end model with leather/etc and it was a very limited run with unique drivetrain, so long-term reliability and parts is questionable. The handling was much better, the transmission much better, and power output a bit better. I think the seats were more comfortable too. That's one thing, I don't really like the seats in the LGT that much. They're okay, but I was spoiled my 06 GTO's perfect seats.
 
Originally posted by: fbrdphreak
The clutch takes getting used to. Frankly, I don't like it at all. It's vague and either the damn gears are spaced so widely or the flywheel is too heavy or the software doesn't let RPM's drop fast enough, because you have to wait forever for the damn revs to drop between shifts - esp 1 to 2. I'm not trying to rip gears here, I just don't spend much time with the clutch pedal in between shifts.

That's mostly attributable to the DBW throttle.

A lot of people have trouble getting 1-2 shifts smooth on Subaru's, especially on the newer cars.
 
Originally posted by: ayabe
Originally posted by: fbrdphreak
The clutch takes getting used to. Frankly, I don't like it at all. It's vague and either the damn gears are spaced so widely or the flywheel is too heavy or the software doesn't let RPM's drop fast enough, because you have to wait forever for the damn revs to drop between shifts - esp 1 to 2. I'm not trying to rip gears here, I just don't spend much time with the clutch pedal in between shifts.

That's mostly attributable to the DBW throttle.

A lot of people have trouble getting 1-2 shifts smooth on Subaru's, especially on the newer cars.

For me it had nothing to do with the throttle. The clutch engagement was just too low to be able to release the pedal smoothly. My Speed6 clutch is stiff as hell but at least the engagement isn't almost at the floorboards. Personal preference .. nothing you can't get used to after spending some time with the car.
 
Originally posted by: Need4Speed
Originally posted by: ayabe
Originally posted by: fbrdphreak
The clutch takes getting used to. Frankly, I don't like it at all. It's vague and either the damn gears are spaced so widely or the flywheel is too heavy or the software doesn't let RPM's drop fast enough, because you have to wait forever for the damn revs to drop between shifts - esp 1 to 2. I'm not trying to rip gears here, I just don't spend much time with the clutch pedal in between shifts.

That's mostly attributable to the DBW throttle.

A lot of people have trouble getting 1-2 shifts smooth on Subaru's, especially on the newer cars.

For me it had nothing to do with the throttle. The clutch engagement was just too low to be able to release the pedal smoothly. My Speed6 clutch is stiff as hell but at least the engagement isn't almost at the floorboards. Personal preference .. nothing you can't get used to after spending some time with the car.

You must have gotten hold of a badly adjusted car, that was far outside the norm. My Sub's clutch action is all in the first 3 to 4 inches of peddle travel.
 
I kicked around the idea of trading my 05 STi in on one, but opted for an 09 STI instead. They're great cars though and fun to drive.
 
Originally posted by: Need4Speed
Originally posted by: ayabe
Originally posted by: fbrdphreak
The clutch takes getting used to. Frankly, I don't like it at all. It's vague and either the damn gears are spaced so widely or the flywheel is too heavy or the software doesn't let RPM's drop fast enough, because you have to wait forever for the damn revs to drop between shifts - esp 1 to 2. I'm not trying to rip gears here, I just don't spend much time with the clutch pedal in between shifts.

That's mostly attributable to the DBW throttle.

A lot of people have trouble getting 1-2 shifts smooth on Subaru's, especially on the newer cars.

For me it had nothing to do with the throttle. The clutch engagement was just too low to be able to release the pedal smoothly. My Speed6 clutch is stiff as hell but at least the engagement isn't almost at the floorboards. Personal preference .. nothing you can't get used to after spending some time with the car.

Then there was something wrong with that car. Every manual subaru I've driven including my current WRX, engages right at the very top of the pedal. I can push it in just half way and still managed to shift just fine.

A Spec B. is on the list of cars I would buy should something happen to my car.
 
I drive a LGT, what do you need to know? I did all routine maintenance by myself (including spark plugs). Belts are easy to change and I haven't had to do the timing belt yet. Probably will have someone else do it but it can't be that bad since the belt is right in front.
 
Originally posted by: DEMO24
Originally posted by: Need4Speed
Originally posted by: ayabe
Originally posted by: fbrdphreak
The clutch takes getting used to. Frankly, I don't like it at all. It's vague and either the damn gears are spaced so widely or the flywheel is too heavy or the software doesn't let RPM's drop fast enough, because you have to wait forever for the damn revs to drop between shifts - esp 1 to 2. I'm not trying to rip gears here, I just don't spend much time with the clutch pedal in between shifts.

That's mostly attributable to the DBW throttle.

A lot of people have trouble getting 1-2 shifts smooth on Subaru's, especially on the newer cars.

For me it had nothing to do with the throttle. The clutch engagement was just too low to be able to release the pedal smoothly. My Speed6 clutch is stiff as hell but at least the engagement isn't almost at the floorboards. Personal preference .. nothing you can't get used to after spending some time with the car.

Then there was something wrong with that car. Every manual subaru I've driven including my current WRX, engages right at the very top of the pedal. I can push it in just half way and still managed to shift just fine.

A Spec B. is on the list of cars I would buy should something happen to my car.

Now that I think about it....

My clutch also has a very high engagement point - but I had the clutch system bled a few thousand miles back which introduced some air into the system (which took 3 more bleeds to get all of it out) and it was very low, like to the floor, while that was occurring.

So you might want to get your clutch bled Need4speed, might be worth a shot.
 
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