Stupid rant about the big bang

[Kadarin]

Exactly. Right now so many theories are just that, theories. Very few testable true hypotheses, but here's to hoping the LHC is able to give us observable evidence for a few of those testable theories. We're behind on actual discovery of radical new facts, we need more.

But until new tests can be devised, and current hypotheses can be finally answered and plugged into the more radical theories, everyone is really just taking educated guesses, and some aren't as educated as others.

Nitpicking here, but you're sort of getting "theory" and "hypothesis" definitions mixed up.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Exactly. Right now so many theories are just that, theories. Very few testable true hypotheses, but here's to hoping the LHC is able to give us observable evidence for a few of those testable theories. We're behind on actual discovery of radical new facts, we need more.

But until new tests can be devised, and current hypotheses can be finally answered and plugged into the more radical theories, everyone is really just taking educated guesses, and some aren't as educated as others.

You keep useing the word theory and I do not think that word means what you think it means. A scientific theory is constructed to conform to available empirical data about observations, and is put forth as a principle or body of principles for explaining a class of phenomena.

That means that in scientific terms a theory HAS been tested and found to fit the avalible evidence. We have found evidence that supports the big bang theory.

 

[DominionSeraph]

Black Holes :
So im watching a show about black holes and how the gravity is so intense that it crushes all the material down to a single point.
And of course there are those that ask where all the material sucked in goes, since it cant just disappear.

What do you mean where does it go? It's in the black hole.
It is considered a point because neutron degeneracy pressure is the last known hurdle to gravity's collapse. When the gravity exceeds neutron degeneracy pressure there's nothing left to stop collapse, so it collapses infinitely. It's still all there, though.

Big Bang:
Then i'm watching an episode on the big bang and how everything started from a single point known as the singularity.
And it exploded creating the universe.
And of course there are those that say that is impossible, everything could not have came from nothing.

E=MC^2 is established. We have created matter from energy.

Both
Now if you put the two together, a black hole sucks in huge amounts of material and crushes it down to a single point, then that single point of singularity explodes to create another universe.

Both problems solved, the stuff that enters a black hole doesn't disappear, and the big bang didnt start from nothing.

And this is why freshmen shouldn't open their mouths in physics class. They don't even know enough to know what they don't know.

 

[ioni]

Exactly. Right now so many theories are just that, theories. Very few testable true hypotheses, but here's to hoping the LHC is able to give us observable evidence for a few of those testable theories. We're behind on actual discovery of radical new facts, we need more.

But until new tests can be devised, and current hypotheses can be finally answered and plugged into the more radical theories, everyone is really just taking educated guesses, and some aren't as educated as others.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

 

[Hacp]

I didnt put this in the tech forum since im no expert, i'm just a regular joe blow watching the science channel.

Black Holes :
So im watching a show about black holes and how the gravity is so intense that it crushes all the material down to a single point.
And of course there are those that ask where all the material sucked in goes, since it cant just disappear.

Big Bang:
Then i'm watching an episode on the big bang and how everything started from a single point known as the singularity.
And it exploded creating the universe.
And of course there are those that say that is impossible, everything could not have came from nothing.

Both
Now if you put the two together, a black hole sucks in huge amounts of material and crushes it down to a single point, then that single point of singularity explodes to create another universe.

Both problems solved, the stuff that enters a black hole doesn't disappear, and the big bang didnt start from nothing.

Heck it even explains how material is recycled, stuff is sucked into a black hole creating another universe in which its material is sucked into other black holes and recycled to create more universes...etc....etc..


Ok, ive got my flame suit on. :biggrin:
Like i said, i know nothing of any of this other than what ive seen on tv, but i am curious to hear from someone who knows this stuff, why its not being considered as a possibility.

You are a total incompetent moron. Now, if you paypal me 10 bucks, I will gladly explain to you step by step on how black holes and the big bang works.

 

[Fritzo]

I like soup.

 

[DominionSeraph]

You are a total incompetent moron. Now, if you paypal me 10 bucks, I will gladly explain to you step by step on how black holes and the big bang works.

Don't listen to him OP.
Give me $20 and I'll link you to wikipedia. Take that Hacp!

 

[MTDEW]

You are a total incompetent moron. Now, if you paypal me 10 bucks, I will gladly explain to you step by step on how black holes and the big bang works.

Ouch, you just hurt my already low self esteem. :biggrin:
I freely admitted i know nothing on the subject and was just curious, its not like im studying the subject as a career.

If you know that much , would it kill ya to explain some details in laymens terms to help out the discussion.
If not, then go shit on some other thread.

Anyway, someone suggested i watch what happened before the big bang.
It was good, and talks about the "bounce" theory as someone mentioned earlier.
Also, it basically says that this theory has been proposed before(as others on here have stated).
I guess i shoulda googled b4 just ranting here beforehand.

Appreciate the links to White Holes and The Life of the Cosmos by Lee Smolin.
I will check those out.

 

[davmat787]

This idea has already been the subject of various science fiction stories; the first one that comes to mind is Manifold: Time by Stephen Baxter.

I read this trilogy about a year ago. Very interesting stuff and worth the read IMO.

 

[AMCRambler]

Here's my rant about the big bang. Kelly Cuoco has got to stop teasing us and do a sex vid already.

 

[MTDEW]

Here's my rant about the big bang. Kelly Cuoco has got to stop teasing us and do a sex vid already.

LOL, didn't think of that show when i named the thread.
But that is a darn VALID point! :thumbsup:

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Where did the matter which was compressed and released in the big bang come from?

No one can answer this question. Not science, not religion. No one has this answer. Chances are no one ever will.

I can.

You just have to say pretty please. I'm not joking, i can answer that question.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

But you can see gravity.

If you're British.

You can't really see the sun either, only the effects of the fusion that is the sun, you can't see gravity but you can see the effects of it too.

That's how i'd respond if you had asked me.

So... do you think you can see the sun?

 

[TecHNooB]

i like how atot loves talking about physics but none of the associated math. at some point, this bullshit stops becoming intuitive and you have to think in math.

 

[Nemesis 1]

If that was the case the new universes would only have the mass that the black hole had to start with.

One word Quasars The information on these as been greatly increased. These are what blackholes become after they have eaten every star in that system

Think spiral and how they work , Spiral galaxys all have blackholes at their centers. They Spiral inward do the stars till all are consumed.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

i like how atot loves talking about physics but none of the associated math. at some point, this bullshit stops becoming intuitive and you have to think in math.

'tis intuitive for me.

 

[Hacp]

i like how atot loves talking about physics but none of the associated math. at some point, this bullshit stops becoming intuitive and you have to think in math.

The math is simple. Big bang is a source. Black hole is a sink. Source+sink=spiral.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

The math is simple. Big bang is a source. Black hole is a sink. Source+sink=spiral.

No.

 

[SMOGZINN]

The math is simple. Big bang is a source. Black hole is a sink. Source+sink=spiral.

A Black hole is not a sink. The mass does not go anywhere, it is all still there it just can't be seen because the escape velocity of the star is greater then C. Eventually all the mass will escape the black hole in the form of Hawking radiation.

 

[DominionSeraph]

One word Quasars The information on these as been greatly increased. These are what blackholes become after they have eaten every star in that system

Think spiral and how they work , Spiral galaxys all have blackholes at their centers. They Spiral inward do the stars till all are consumed.

Uh, no. An active galaxy is one whose supermassive black hole is feeding. But it only feeds on the core suns. The mass of a supermassive black hole is miniscule compared to the mass of the entire galaxy, and the mass of the core region does not increase with feeding for the suns were already at the core.

The stars on the periphery do not spiral inward.

 

[destrekor]

Nitpicking here, but you're sort of getting "theory" and "hypothesis" definitions mixed up.

You keep useing the word theory and I do not think that word means what you think it means. A scientific theory is constructed to conform to available empirical data about observations, and is put forth as a principle or body of principles for explaining a class of phenomena.

That means that in scientific terms a theory HAS been tested and found to fit the avalible evidence. We have found evidence that supports the big bang theory.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

yes yes yes, I see that now. I was a little foggy at the time, so probably mixing my words in my head as I typed.

I also might have been referring to the fact that many physics theories (aka mathematical models) are out there waiting for actual evidence to match their predictions.

Honestly, I can't remember what exactly I was trying to argue, and it does indeed look like I got them mixed up. Sorry for the confusion.