Stupid Microsfot is at it again with Media Player 8 spying on you.

NicColt

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According to this news.yahoo.com link Windows Media Player 8 is tracking user info and habits.

"The system creates a list on each computer that could be a treasure for marketing companies, lawyers or others. Microsoft says it has no plans to sell the data collected by Media Player 8, which comes free with the Windows XP operating system."

"When a CD is played, the player downloads the disc name and titles for each song from a Web site licensed by Microsoft. That information is stored on a small file on each computer in the latest version of the software. The new version released with Windows XP last fall also added the same technology for DVD movies. Microsoft's original privacy statement informed customers that they were downloading the information about CDs but never stated it was being stored in a log file on each computer. The new statement makes clear that information is being downloaded for both DVDs and CDs, but does not explain how users can eliminate or get into the log file."

"As part of downloading the information about songs and movies from the Web site, the program also transmits an identifier number unique to each user on the computer. That creates the possibility that user habits could be tracked and sold for marketing purposes. Privacy experts said they feared the log file could be used by investigators, divorce lawyers, snooping family members, marketing companies or others interested in learning about a person's entertainment habits. It also could be used to make sure users have paid for the music or movie, and have not made an illegal copy."

I rarely bash Microsoft but this takes the Ass of the year Award. Ok downloading the title from the website is one thing but keeping a secret log on your very own computer of every file you play without telling you is another story. The question you have to ask is WHY ? as if they don't have enough problems with Anti-Trust.


 

bsobel

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"I rarely bash Microsoft but this takes the Ass of the year Award. Ok downloading the title from the website is one thing but keeping a secret log on your very own computer of every file you play without telling you is another story. The question you have to ask is WHY ? as if they don't have enough problems with Anti-Trust"

I admit I haven't dug into all the gory details here yet. But this seems the same (so far) as any other app that access the cddb info, they all download it and keep a local copy of the data (often in the cd.ini file). I can make the same stupid claims that a lawyer or exwife could check my cd habits by accessing that file.

From the tone of the story, they start out suggesting that MS is sending this information to them (like Real did with RealPlayer). I think Real deserves your Ass of the year aware, not MS ;)

Bill
 

bevancoleman

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MP 8 stores CD track details on your PC, really????? Shock, horror.........

Every application that uses CDDB (or simular prot) does this, CD Player in Windows 3.1 stored track details (though it couldn't look them up automatically). I know for a fact that WinAmp does it, as does Real Player and Music Jukebox. I've seen apps under Linux and MacOs that do this as well.

Really.... some people.
 

NicColt

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>Every application that uses CDDB (or simular prot) does this, CD Player in Windows 3.1 stored track details

We all know about that.

I guess you miss the point, the problem is not having a list on your computer but of MS deliberately not telling you that had one in the first place, as F*&%ing IF MS DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT. If they didn't know that WMP8 created a secret list on your computer with an UIN I'll eat my monitor. And to add to that, you can't remove it. With allot of other apps we knew about them and how to remove them, and if we were to use those programs and accept the terms of that software that was our decision. But with WMP8 MS clearly has lied about our right to privacy, and this is the issue here.

I can't blame a Judge now for forcing MS to reveal their windows Code, MS has got to stop doing this type of crap. It's situations like this over and over that makes it clear that MS cannot be trusted. We all have a constitutional right to privacy, freedom of choice, confidentiality and disclosure. If MS cannot be trusted with our right to privacy with the software they sell us, then the courts have no alternative but to force them to tell us the truth by revealing the code.

If you don't value your privacy, well that's fine that's your problem but some of us do value the right to keep our data private, we have the right to choose which list to keep or purge and the right to decide if we want to keep all this information confidential or not.
 

bevancoleman

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<< >Every application that uses CDDB (or simular prot) does this, CD Player in Windows 3.1 stored track details

We all know about that.

I guess you miss the point, the problem is not having a list on your computer but of MS deliberately not telling you that had one in the first place, as F*&%ing IF MS DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT. If they didn't know that WMP8 created a secret list on your computer with an UIN I'll eat my monitor. And to add to that, you can't remove it. With allot of other apps we knew about them and how to remove them, and if we were to use those programs and accept the terms of that software that was our decision. But with WMP8 MS clearly has lied about our right to privacy, and this is the issue here.
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So..... tell me where Real Player tells you it keeps a cache hmm... or WinAmp or MusicBox or this little player for linux (http://www.ibiblio.org/tkan/xmcd/).

I think you miss the point, I saw the artical and thought 'well yess... of course it does'. Anyone with a understanding of computers should be able to take one look at the the 'Media Libary' and realise that Media Player must keep a db of some sort. I mean it searches your hard disk 1st time you use it, it is fairly obvious.

I don't have a problem with bashing MS when there is a problem, but bashing MS just because it does something that is done in every (most anyway) media applications, increases the performance of Media Player (hence 'cache') and isn't really a security issue (they could simply seach the computer for porn) is just stupid. Anyrate, as the cache is stored in the personal profile it will be protected from other users (assuming Windows NT/2k/XP). If you havn't setup user profiles then what are you complaining about, you deserve anything you get.
 

ObiDon

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MP 6.4 should be in your default XP installation at C:\Program Files\Windows Media Player\mplayer2.exe
It's the only one I ever use ;)
 

RedFox1

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<< I guess you miss the point, the problem is not having a list on your computer but of MS deliberately not telling you that had one in the first place, as F*&%ing IF MS DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT. >>



I don't believe for a second that Microsoft was trying to pull a fast one on anyone. I would have figured it was non-issue, and it sounds like they thought the same way.

It keeps a "log" so that you don't have to keep downloading the same thing repeatedly. Not everyone has a permanent connection to the internet, afterall, so it's helpful for when you're offline. There are probably dozens of log files on your computer, created by all sorts of applications.

Microsoft must get badmouthed more than any corporation in history. Now "Monsanto" -- there's a company to go after. People should work on them for a while.

-Russ
 

RalfHutter

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Download xp AntiSpy. One of the things you can do with this wonderful little app is disable the unique ID number of wour M$ Media Player.

There's LOTS of other stuff you can do with this great program also. It gives you the option to disable a lot of the M$, phone-home spyware crap without having to dick around in your registry or edit files. It's kind'o like TweakUI for MS spyware!
 

btvillarin

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Go to this website, and scroll down to "Disable SuperCookie Tracking for all Windows PCs". Now, although it doesn't delete the cookie, it makes the ID all zeroes. (I take no credit, since this was Featured in Lockergnome) I'm wondering why nobody posted this, but oh well...

http://home.kscable.com/wecoyote/
 

bevancoleman

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<< Download xp AntiSpy. One of the things you can do with this wonderful little app is disable the unique ID number of wour M$ Media Player.

There's LOTS of other stuff you can do with this great program also. It gives you the option to disable a lot of the M$, phone-home spyware crap without having to dick around in your registry or edit files. It's kind'o like TweakUI for MS spyware!
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I would think about disabling 'Auto-update' unless your subscribe to a security list. Otherwise you may find your self comprimsed by a bug that was fixed months ago (see Code Red and Nimda for a good example)

Also it isn't 'spyware' because no-one has any evidence to support the MS is collecting any info or even that any info is transmitted. Even the site above referes to it as 'Suspicious', not as spyware.

It isn't hard to find out what is transmitted, simply use a port sniffer and monitor the data sent to the server.