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@#$@#$@ stupid furnace installation people....

Engineer

Engineer

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Having a new, high efficiency furnace installed to take advantage of the tax credit (expires tomorrow). The guys needed to run two pvc pipes for ventilation and asked about the roof. I have the main roof and two peak, side roofs. I said if they could not put in in the back of the main roof, or if that was too hard, they could to the side roof and keep it close to the house. I told the supervisor that I do not want to see the pipes from the front. I just go out and they put the mother fucking pipe right through the front of the main roof. I even lent them a ladder and set it up on the side roof where it was to be installed. They climbed up the ladder to the side roof and then climbed from there to the main front roof.

Already called the supervisor and he is calling them. He knew exactly where I wanted the pipe(s).

FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
😡😡😡
I will not pay them until this is corrected.

Sorry, but I need someone to rant to and ATOT is my choice!!!
 
This is why you don't pay first, and why you don't let these morons work unsupervised, and by unsupervised I mean without the home owner watching them.
 
LOL. I feel for you.

Ours left the gas line barely connected with the gas on for a day. Good times coming home and smelling gas.
 
MedicBob said:
LOL. I feel for you.

Ours left the gas line barely connected with the gas on for a day. Good times coming home and smelling gas.
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Well, I just told them that I will not cut them a "final" check until it's fixed and I expect the completed date to be today as far as paperwork goes (tax credit stuff). They have a 25% down payment check that they could cash but they will not get the final 75% check until the pipes are moved and roof repaired. They have been told this and agreed to fire it up tonight and be back on Monday at 3:00pm to re-do the vent pipes. It still pisses me off. People always taking fucking shortcuts when doing jobs (easier to go through front roof than side roof).
 
DrPizza said:
That's what I was thinking too. I thought the new high efficiency furnaces could vent directly through a wall, unless some local code prevents this?
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Mine are through the wall, venting about 10" above the ground by the side of my house. So, yeah, they should be able to vent through the wall. After all, if it's not hot enough to damage the PVC, it can go through a wall.
 
Engineer said:
Mmmmmmm ..... Big Mac?!? :hmm:
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To Hell with Big Mac.

You Need..

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The furnace is in a closet in the center of the garage so it could not vent directly through a wall. It had to go up into the attic and out the roof somewhere.
 
Engineer said:
The furnace is in a closet in the center of the garage so it could not vent directly through a wall. It had to go up into the attic and out the roof somewhere.
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your furnace is in a closet in the center of the garage? Weird. The architect that drew that up must have been a special ed student.
 
runzwithsizorz said:
Even with a trained helper I would not start a project like this at, "3:00 pm" this time of year. Word, watch them like a hawk!
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If he's replacing an existing furnace, it's a piece of cake. Just a little sheet metal work between the existing duct system (forced air?) and the new furnace. Speaking of which - what happened to the exhaust of the previous furnace??
 
DrPizza said:
If he's replacing an existing furnace, it's a piece of cake. Just a little sheet metal work between the existing duct system (forced air?) and the new furnace. Speaking of which - what happened to the exhaust of the previous furnace??
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This was an existing replacement. The original was a 68% (when new) efficient furnace. The new furnace is 95% efficient and uses two PVC pipes - one for ventilation (just a slightly warm vapor) and one for fresh air intake.
 
Engineer said:
The furnace is in a closet in the center of the garage so it could not vent directly through a wall. It had to go up into the attic and out the roof somewhere.
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They couldn't just go across the garage ceiling and out a wall? Pics?
 
John P said:
They couldn't just go across the garage ceiling and out a wall? Pics?
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There is a drop down ceiling in the garage over the closet (flush with the top of the door trim). They would have had to go through the door to get to the garage ceiling. It was a poorly designed closet but I guess they didn't think about the type of ventilation needed for newer installations. Oh, and I could not simply use the old gas ventilation pipe as the water heater still uses it.

The two choices that we discussed were to go into the attic above the garage, pipe up to the main attic (2nd story) and out the back roof. The other was across the garage and out the small side roof.

They took it up into the garage attic and straight out the main roof.

Regardless, they will be back on Monday to remove the pipe, plug the hole, re-shingle the area of roof where the flange is and then re-pipe over to the side of the garage to the side roof next to outside wall.

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Engineer said:
There is a drop down ceiling in the garage over the closet. They would have had to go through the door to get to the garage ceiling. It was a poorly designed closet but I guess they didn't think about the type of ventilation needed for newer installations. Oh, and I could not simply use the old gas ventilation pipe as the water heater still uses it.
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I'm having a hard time picturing that, but ok. Where did they run the drain pipe for the condensation then?
 
John P said:
I'm having a hard time picturing that, but ok. Where did they run the drain pipe for the condensation then?
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About 2/3 of the way toward the back of the garage, the ceiling drops down (for upstairs bathrooms). The closet is directly under the ceiling (at door height). The height inside the closet is also lower as it seems that that is where part of the ducting is placed.

There is a drain in the closet already. It is for the pop-off relief valve on the hot water as well as the AC / condensation drain. The furnace came with a small container with pump that pumps the water up to the drain (drain pipe is about 18 inches off the floor and has a funnel at the top for the pipes to drip in to).
 
We also got an energy efficient furnace recently. It was about last year, and they just stuck the exhaust vent out a boarded up basement window. It's 6' off the ground, and right across from the neighbour's side door. Hope combustion is complete and their door is air tight. Apparently, it's legal.
 
The pipe on the front slope may look better than the non-matching shingles that they will use to repair the hole in the roof.
 
DrPizza said:
If they could just keep you steaming mad, you wouldn't need a furnace in the first place. 😛 :awe:
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If it's steam you want you seek the service of a boiler not a furnace. 😛

Engineer said:
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Do you get heavy snowfall where you live? If so the proposed (desired) place may put the pipes too low. If they are blocked by drifting snow your furnace will shut down.
 
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