I love how everyone is wrong, biased, or a liar except for Millennium. Must be nice to have all the answers.
It is a true story.. He has nothing to gain about lying about the cops by posting on some damn forums..
BTW, he is the friend that I was talking about when I said that we read up on the law because of him. I know him. He and I drink together and I used to be his roomate.
I know very much so that his story is completely true.
Gotta squash this one because you don't get it and are too immature to understand.
Read the Constitution. The police can detain you for 24 hours. They don't need a reason.
You'll be stopped again by the police in your life.
Nope, he 100% can. He doesn't have to have Probable Cause to do a frisk. He only has to have reasonable suspicion that you may have a weapon or attempt to harm him. It is for his safety. See Terry v. Ohio.
Secondly, an officer can detain you until he completes his investigation. You made your story up. Period. If you know the laws then why do they disagree with you?
DivideBYZero
Lifer
- May 18, 2001
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Originally posted by: Millennium
Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
Originally posted by: geno
The Cop has no obligation to answer the question within his preferred time frame. True the cop should've given him the badge number by the end of the stop, but you do NOT get out of the car just because you want an answer. Getting out of the car just because you expect to ask a cop a question is INSANE, you just don't do it. You can't be serious if you say that he deserved to get out of the car.Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
Originally posted by: geno
Land of the free, where an officer of the law can feel secure doing his joblame argument dude.
If the Cop had answered the question originally asked, the n00b wouldn't have got out of the car. Lame argument dude.
I refer you to the land of the free quote above and Iat how quickly you surrender your human rights. Just give up now, resistance, for you anyway, is futile...
...and ppl go on about the French...
Things are done differently in every country. Freedom is not the issue here. You being obsessed with the US is the issue.
My obsessions involve many things, but the US is not one of them. Someones Country of origin must be yours. How any of this chit chat changes basic human rights, please let me know. The guy was innocent (if not a little cocky) and a cop abused his rights. No matter how small the abuse, this is how is starts, and he'll be more confident next time.
This is how people are, so help stamp it out or deal with the concequences.
He is LYING or his story in INACCURATE because what he described is NOT illegal. Why don't you learn the fvcking law asshole before you get shot. Moron.
DivideBYZero
Lifer
- May 18, 2001
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The mandatory 10% over-read on the speedo can take care of that fella. Actual speed taken by a calibrated instrument would not show 48, more like 43-44. BUZZ.
Wow look moron they can give you warning(written or verbal) for going 1 over!
This is all from the State of Florida's senate website. Guess you don't know the law afterall! They can pull you over for going 3 over. It is an illegal behavior. That destroys all credibility you have about the law.
b) For moving violations involving unlawful speed, the fines are as follows:
For speed exceeding the limit by:
Fine:
1-5 m.p.h. ............ Warning
6-9 m.p.h. ............ $ 25
10-14 m.p.h. ............ $100
15-19 m.p.h. ............ $125
20-29 m.p.h. ............ $150
30 m.p.h. and above ............ $250
What is this crap you are coming up with here? Look at the law. This cop had no reason to believe I would harm him in any way. He had no way to think that I had a weapon....and therefor no reason to search me.....and that is why he was charged and CONVICTED of the 8 counts. If you are really so interested...I refer you again to either your local police department, or Sarasota County Police in Florida. If you want any more information about the case just give me a private message so that I can give you my information so that you can look up the case and enlighten yourself on the law.
You don't have PMs enabled. I am willing to fully research your case and talk to Sarasota county. Do you have an incident report number?
we had a problem with abusive cops trying to make money a few years ago. The county came in and set up shop for no real reason other than 2 psycho kids (12 or 14 years old I think) killed one of our rent-a-cops in some really weird incident. They immediately made their presence known. I live in basically a summer resort area, there are 1500 permanant residents, but these particular cops only patrolled the residential area which consisted of about 1000 residents, and maybe 10-20k people on the weekend in the summer time. There are about 20 miles of roads to cover. Generally speaking, there is zero crime here. People literally go on vacation for a month in the winter, and leave their doors unlocked.
The most popular crime is probably theft of skis or stereos out of boats, or my next door neighbor complaining about their neighbor's noise(They actually invented a code for it). There is really absolutely nothing for the cops to do here. So anyways, out of nowhere, we get a full force of 7 cruisers on duty and about 50 or 60 cops.
They started out right away with speed traps, DUI checkpoints, and pulling out of towners over for no particular reason. Then they started harrassing the locals. If you came out of a stop with less than two tickets, you were pretty lucky(I was pulled over just once for rolling through a stop sign (which I did) and crossing the center line(which I didn't, both plead to non moving violations). They would even come to where we worked to try to start something. After two summers of that, the folks in the community lobbied and shut them down(rich people are good for something afterall!). They re-emerged a couple years ago under some special provision, but they're down to 1-2 cars on duty during the week, and 2-3 cars on the weekends with a staff of about 15, and seem to be happy with just busting underage kids buying beer at the kwik-e-mart.
The most popular crime is probably theft of skis or stereos out of boats, or my next door neighbor complaining about their neighbor's noise(They actually invented a code for it). There is really absolutely nothing for the cops to do here. So anyways, out of nowhere, we get a full force of 7 cruisers on duty and about 50 or 60 cops.
They started out right away with speed traps, DUI checkpoints, and pulling out of towners over for no particular reason. Then they started harrassing the locals. If you came out of a stop with less than two tickets, you were pretty lucky(I was pulled over just once for rolling through a stop sign (which I did) and crossing the center line(which I didn't, both plead to non moving violations). They would even come to where we worked to try to start something. After two summers of that, the folks in the community lobbied and shut them down(rich people are good for something afterall!). They re-emerged a couple years ago under some special provision, but they're down to 1-2 cars on duty during the week, and 2-3 cars on the weekends with a staff of about 15, and seem to be happy with just busting underage kids buying beer at the kwik-e-mart.
Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
Originally posted by: Millennium
Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
Originally posted by: geno
The Cop has no obligation to answer the question within his preferred time frame. True the cop should've given him the badge number by the end of the stop, but you do NOT get out of the car just because you want an answer. Getting out of the car just because you expect to ask a cop a question is INSANE, you just don't do it. You can't be serious if you say that he deserved to get out of the car.Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
Originally posted by: geno
Land of the free, where an officer of the law can feel secure doing his job
If the Cop had answered the question originally asked, the n00b wouldn't have got out of the car. Lame argument dude.
I refer you to the land of the free quote above and Iat how quickly you surrender your human rights. Just give up now, resistance, for you anyway, is futile...
...and ppl go on about the French...
Things are done differently in every country. Freedom is not the issue here. You being obsessed with the US is the issue.
My obsessions involve many things, but the US is not one of them. Someones Country of origin must be yours. How any of this chit chat changes basic human rights, please let me know. The guy was innocent (if not a little cocky) and a cop abused his rights. No matter how small the abuse, this is how is starts, and he'll be more confident next time.
This is how people are, so help stamp it out or deal with the concequences.
His friend was going 3 over. That was a violation of the law.
Originally posted by: Millennium
yowolabi- You would love it if my points didn't have merit, but they do regardless of my tone or any fallaciousness. You can continue to tell your side and I can continue to not believe it. I think you are biased and you think I am biased. So that leaves us disagreeing on everything. I didn't know it was necessary to point out your prior posts that were pathetic. I think you know exactly what I am talking about. Why don't you think the Police had a reason for what they did? There is another forum member on here who had a gun pulled on him several times by the LAPD. It was a mistaken identity almost every time. Is that not a reason? Nah! Not for your liberal minded harping brain.
BTW, thanks for the ad-hom back. The irony is sickening.
Why didn't they have a reason? Because I was 16 years old and only once did they say they thought I was someone they were looking for. I'm willing to believe that they were telling the truth. In the other stops, I was never accused of anything or asked to defend anything. They just did their check for illegal stuff in my pockets and bags and let me go. If they thought I was someone, they would have checked that out. What they were doing was fishing expeditions. And no matter what their reasons for stopping me, nothing justified their actions after they stopped me.
Yes, I would like you to point out my prior pathetic posts.
Nice backtrack on going from saying:
To claiming that it's not something you think it was okay, but only a worst case scenario. I'm sure the misinterpretation was all ours. Of course "I would have" is very different from "What could have happened". Good to see you don't actually endorse the things you said you would have done.
I have already said to yowolabi that I was biased to some degree, albeit not quite as much as you are towards me.
Wow, lots of false information and strongly held opinions in this thread...
FYI, What Happens When I Am Stopped By The Police?
In a nutshell, the police can stop you for a short time and interrogate you if they have "Reasonable Suspicion" to believe that a crime is either taking place or will very shortly take place. Of course, the definition of "Reasonable Suspicion" is rather vague, but I think it's safe to say that it's not a very high hurdle for the police to clear in the courts.
Millenium, you need to go back and hit the books. Unless both my memory of law school and the above article are wrong, shoeeater was indeed subjected to an illegal search. According to my interpretation of his post, he was "Terry Stopped," and searched incident to the Terry Stop, which is legal. However, the police officer did not have the right to empty his pockets without actually arresting him (which would have required "Probable Cause").
Based on brxndxn's post (and only on his post, which no one has proven factually inaccurate, although I suspect it's somewhat biased), I'd say that brxndxn may have done some foolish things, but the cop was a serious A-hole. Foolishness is not a crime, but harassment is.
FYI, What Happens When I Am Stopped By The Police?
In a nutshell, the police can stop you for a short time and interrogate you if they have "Reasonable Suspicion" to believe that a crime is either taking place or will very shortly take place. Of course, the definition of "Reasonable Suspicion" is rather vague, but I think it's safe to say that it's not a very high hurdle for the police to clear in the courts.
Millenium, you need to go back and hit the books. Unless both my memory of law school and the above article are wrong, shoeeater was indeed subjected to an illegal search. According to my interpretation of his post, he was "Terry Stopped," and searched incident to the Terry Stop, which is legal. However, the police officer did not have the right to empty his pockets without actually arresting him (which would have required "Probable Cause").
Based on brxndxn's post (and only on his post, which no one has proven factually inaccurate, although I suspect it's somewhat biased
), I'd say that brxndxn may have done some foolish things, but the cop was a serious A-hole. Foolishness is not a crime, but harassment is.I just enabled them. And I do not have the case number because I am Italy studying abroad right now. They should be able to do a search using my name.
Originally posted by: yowolabi
Originally posted by: Millennium
yowolabi- You would love it if my points didn't have merit, but they do regardless of my tone or any fallaciousness. You can continue to tell your side and I can continue to not believe it. I think you are biased and you think I am biased. So that leaves us disagreeing on everything. I didn't know it was necessary to point out your prior posts that were pathetic. I think you know exactly what I am talking about. Why don't you think the Police had a reason for what they did? There is another forum member on here who had a gun pulled on him several times by the LAPD. It was a mistaken identity almost every time. Is that not a reason? Nah! Not for your liberal minded harping brain.
BTW, thanks for the ad-hom back. The irony is sickening.
Why didn't they have a reason? Because I was 16 years old and only once did they say they thought I was someone they were looking for. I'm willing to believe that they were telling the truth. In the other stops, I was never accused of anything or asked to defend anything. They just did their check for illegal stuff in my pockets and bags and let me go. If they thought I was someone, they would have checked that out. What they were doing was fishing expeditions. And no matter what their reasons for stopping me, nothing justified their actions after they stopped me.
Yes, I would like you to point out my prior pathetic posts.
Nice backtrack on going from saying:
To claiming that it's not something you think it was okay, but only a worst case scenario. I'm sure the misinterpretation was all ours. Of course "I would have" is very different from "What could have happened". Good to see you don't actually endorse the things you said you would have done.
There was no backtrack. Read my prior posts or get your glasses checked.
DivideBYZero
Lifer
- May 18, 2001
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So you have a calibrated Speedo? No. So get a clue. The Radar will HAVE to be calibrated within a given time frame of the trap or it's evidence will not be valid. Your car WILL NOT read over your actual speed, but under. It will get closer to actual as the tyres wear, but will not show over speed readings, this would be illegal. So it is safe to say that you are not doing the indicated speed, but always under that speed. My point being, Brxndxn says 48, so what? Is that admissable? No. game over. Calibrated readings only, fella, game over.
And now we have that sorted out, tell me, why do you allow the errosion of your freedom? Do you enjoy free will and safety? I do and will fight every inch of the way to keep it. You can just roll over and get trodden on if you want, but sometimes you have got to make a stand, but if not, step aside and let those who care protect you from the evils you don't even want to acknowledge.
Millenium, you remind me of a former acquaintence. All he ever wanted to do was be a cop. and he would have made a VERY VERY bad cop, let me tell you. he was in the service and 3 weeks before the gulf war he got some kind of hardship exception and got OUT of the service because he was too scared to go over to the gulf. what a chickenshit he turned out to be.
what sux is that he eventually became a cop. fortunately it's very far away from where i live now.
Threatening to shoot someone is something that a cop should NEVER be allowed to do in idle conversation. even if it is to say that someone will be shot by another cop. to imply that cops have the right to shoot someone for being a smart@ss is soo stupid as to be painful.
There was the story of another cop in Edison NJ, who apparently got out on disability and will receive disability pay the rest of his life: His disability?? he couldn't control his temper.
Stories like that makes one wonder WHO the cops are protecting us from?
Cops can really be dicks sometimes when they abuse their power. It looks like you were a very unlucky victim this time.
BUT BAD MOVE GETTING OUT OF THE CAR AND BEING AN ASS TO A COP!
They carry guns for a reason. Many times, a belligerent subject exiting a vehicle (when you admitted you'd been drinking) carrys with it a deadly payload. NEVER, never act agressive toward a police officer. They're trained to spot agression and subdue it. You were an agressive drunk who may or may not have had a weapon.
Think of it from the cop's perspective. You were searched for his safety, and you exited the vehicle without permission from the officer during a stop. Bad move.
BUT BAD MOVE GETTING OUT OF THE CAR AND BEING AN ASS TO A COP!
They carry guns for a reason. Many times, a belligerent subject exiting a vehicle (when you admitted you'd been drinking) carrys with it a deadly payload. NEVER, never act agressive toward a police officer. They're trained to spot agression and subdue it. You were an agressive drunk who may or may not have had a weapon.
Think of it from the cop's perspective. You were searched for his safety, and you exited the vehicle without permission from the officer during a stop. Bad move.
sygyzy
Lifer
- Oct 21, 2000
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To the OP, you are right. You do have a *right* to ask for his name and badge number. But the point is - you shouldn't. That really pisses off cops. Most cops will tell you that it's worthless and insulting to ask for either sinec both appear on the ticket! Yes, I know in this case, you didn't get a ticket so you had to ask.
Second, and on a somewhat related note, don't ask to "verify" a cop's radar. Again, you are questioning their authority.
Third, you must not be a minority because the cop's action actually seems to have surprised you. Welcome to the real world friend. I was pulled over in my new car three years ago. I was going down a street where it dead ended and you had no choice but make a 90 degree right turn. I was behind another car. After I made the turn I saw a cop pass me, turn around and flip his lights. I asked him what the problem was and he said "License and registration, I'll tell you later". He came back and said "I thought you ran the stop sign" I told him "How could I have? There was a car in front of me and I had to stop then turn and that's what I did" To which he replied "I'm sorry, have a good day."
If you want some good books on cops read "You and the Police" and "A Speeder's Guide to Avoiding Tickets". Both basically say the same thing about cops: Only two things you have to remember - 1. They are incredibly scared (of being shot, injured etc) and 2. They are incredibly cocky. Strange combination but just remember this when dealing with them.
Second, and on a somewhat related note, don't ask to "verify" a cop's radar. Again, you are questioning their authority.
Third, you must not be a minority because the cop's action actually seems to have surprised you. Welcome to the real world friend. I was pulled over in my new car three years ago. I was going down a street where it dead ended and you had no choice but make a 90 degree right turn. I was behind another car. After I made the turn I saw a cop pass me, turn around and flip his lights. I asked him what the problem was and he said "License and registration, I'll tell you later". He came back and said "I thought you ran the stop sign" I told him "How could I have? There was a car in front of me and I had to stop then turn and that's what I did" To which he replied "I'm sorry, have a good day."
If you want some good books on cops read "You and the Police" and "A Speeder's Guide to Avoiding Tickets". Both basically say the same thing about cops: Only two things you have to remember - 1. They are incredibly scared (of being shot, injured etc) and 2. They are incredibly cocky. Strange combination but just remember this when dealing with them.
*yawns* I think everyone is quite aware of what impact tires have on the speedo as well as gears, and the frequent calibration needed for radar. Secondly, under 60 MPH most speedos are accurate to within a FEW percent here in the US. Search google if you want the info I read. I read it several years ago. Thirdly, you have much less freedom in the UK than I do here. I can own a firearm and you cannot. Don't even start on freedom because you have very little compared to me. Fourthly, a speedo can and WILL read over the actual limit is going. What is preventing it from doing so? God? Please I have raced cars for years now and when you go from 3.27 gears to 4.10s your speedo reads ABOVE actual speed.
Man, that story really pisses me off. Take it all the way, as far as you can.. that's a bunch of BS.
Unfortunately, it seems that about 80% of the cops out there are like this. I hate it.
Unfortunately, it seems that about 80% of the cops out there are like this. I hate it.
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