Stupid cops.. I'm filing a complaint. So they can pull you over for whatever now?

[iwearnosox]

I'd of locked you in the trunk myself. Pull over, keep your yap shut and respect the authoritah. It sounds like you created this entire ordeal by being a smartass, and that things would have been otherwise.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: yowolabi

Originally posted by: Fritzo

This is fine advice if you actually did something wrong. That doesn't apply to cases where you know they just didn't like the look of you and decided that messing with you is something that they can get away with.

I'm going to hand this one over to my wife, who has been an officer for 12 years now:

Hello,

I read your story and have heard it 20000 times before. I'm sure you're leaving out a few details:

1. You keep saying "I did nothing wrong." That is not for you to determine. If you were pulled over, it was for a reason. Most of the cop hating people in this post are probably one's that have been caught doing something wrong. They're the same ones that got caught throwing spitballs in grade school and would cry "I didn't do it!" on the way to the principal's office.

...

So there are two sides to every story. Don't make judgment calls based on a one sided account. Keep in mind that Hitler's side of the story was that he was only trying to make the world a better place.

Police have a dangerous job. They go to work with the threat of being murdered EVERY DAY. If one pulls you over, just go with the flow and be nice, 9/10 times you will be let go. If you're a jerk, the officer is going to be edgy around you, and more than likely get into a situation like the one described here.

This wasn't my story even though you quoted me, but I'll respond anyway.

One line that strikes me is this "I read your story and have heard it 20000 times before. I'm sure you're leaving out a few details"

What makes you sure? Is it your belief and assertion that police only pull people over because they've done something wrong? That there are no cops who abuse their power? As anyone who read my posts has probably guessed, my disgust with cops who abuse their power isn't because of this one account, it's based on personal experiences.

After my parents divorced I moved into a 1 bedroom apartment in a bad part of Chicago. There was once a gang war scheduled in the alley behind my apartment. Over the course of 4 years, I had 3 different drug dealers living next door or above me. My life consisted of taking the bus across town to high school, going to the library, and going to the basketball court. I was terrified of the gang members, but I soon became more scared of the cops. I was state-class in track and felt I could out-run and avoid gangsters, but there was nothing I could do when the cops got me in their sights.

The summer before my junior year, I was stopped and searched more than 10 times, 6 times within a block of my apartment. This was always walking, I didn't have a car. I didn't dress in gang colors, didn't hang out on the street, and always carried my bookbag with me. I was so conditioned that every time I saw a police car, I expected to get searched, and was rarely disappointed. I have been hit with a club when I didn't answer a question with "sir". I had seen them strip search a friend on the street who also wasn't in a gang, and was terrified they would humiliate me the same way. They also took one guy on the block for a ride and then dropped him off in rival gang territory and left him there. He made it back alright, no thanks to them. They once put me into the car when I was at a fast food place two blocks from home when it was almost curfew time. They said they were driving me home, but took some long out of the way route that took 10 minutes. I almost had a heart attack thinking they were going to just drop me off somewhere. I was obviously scared, and those bastards must have kept me that way for their own enjoyment.

Every time I was stopped, it was a different policeman with the same MO. Stop me for no reason, be really aggressive physically, insult me a couple of times, rifle through my pockets and bags without respect(throwing stuff around, and then leaving it for me to clean up), make me wait around for no reason(a lot of times i didn't even have i.d., so they weren't checking that), and then let me go without apology when they found nothing. These things were so common that I would just go inside and be really mad and feel violated, not aware of anything I could do. I led a crime free life, and knew I was one of the smartest people in Chicago in my age group, yet to the police I was an object that they could manhandle at will.

Somehow, with all their searches, the same guys sold drugs for years on end without getting caught. I even made anonymous calls from pay phones to the police with descriptions and apartment numbers, and those guys were always there the next day. One drug dealing neighbor was shot down in his car a few blocks away.

So when you start an argument with "the police must have had a reason", I know for a fact that you aren't dealing with reality. Reality is that police do single people out for no valid reason and go on fishing expeditions. That may or may not apply to this case, but it definitely happens all the time. Somebody who got stopped for the first time in his life may just let it go and be passive, but I know if it happens to me again, I won't. I don't think anyone should be treated like a criminal because of age, race, or location, only because of criminal actions. So if I know i've done nothing wrong, the cop who decides to make assumptions about me isn't going to do so without repercussions, and I definitely won't "be nice" as if I enjoy their violations. Police, like you, refuse to even acknowledge there is a problem, so it's highly unlikely steps are being taken to solve it.

You accuse her of making assumptions, yet you do the same. You are so biased you cannot see the other side. Your personal experience is just a tale of YOUR viewpoint of what happened. I am sure there is truth to it, but there was probably a lot of details you left out. How do I know this? There is always two sides to every story and we are only hearing yours. I have never been too impressed with your viewpoint on many things, so I am going to take your experience with a grain of salt. Shitty isn't it that someone is as callous towards your viewpoint as you are towards theirs. Pot and the kettle can be big buddies now.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: geno

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: geno

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: Shockwave
Wow, look at all the ATOT asshats who support police burtality and illegal actions.

My opinion?

KILL THE POLICE!! ALL OF THEM!! DEAD!!! :|

moron. Don't you people understand what the world would be like without law enforcement?

No one here is supporting police brutality. No one here is saying the cop was justified in pushing him around. All anyone is saying is that its stupid & illegal to get out of the car. Which it is.

Ahhh, the land of the free, where it is illegal to get out of the car....

Land of the free, where an officer of the law can feel secure doing his job lame argument dude.

If the Cop had answered the question originally asked, the n00b wouldn't have got out of the car. Lame argument dude.

The Cop has no obligation to answer the question within his preferred time frame. True the cop should've given him the badge number by the end of the stop, but you do NOT get out of the car just because you want an answer. Getting out of the car just because you expect to ask a cop a question is INSANE, you just don't do it. You can't be serious if you say that he deserved to get out of the car.

I refer you to the land of the free quote above and I

at how quickly you surrender your human rights. Just give up now, resistance, for you anyway, is futile...

...and ppl go on about the French...

 

[tallest1]

Damn man, that sucks a big one. Given your past misfortune, it seems like God doesn't want you on the road or something =/

 

[ProviaFan]

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: yowolabi
This wasn't my story even though you quoted me, but I'll respond anyway.

One line that strikes me is this "I read your story and have heard it 20000 times before. I'm sure you're leaving out a few details"

What makes you sure? Is it your belief and assertion that police only pull people over because they've done something wrong? That there are no cops who abuse their power? As anyone who read my posts has probably guessed, my disgust with cops who abuse their power isn't because of this one account, it's based on personal experiences.

After my parents divorced I moved into a 1 bedroom apartment in a bad part of Chicago. There was once a gang war scheduled in the alley behind my apartment. Over the course of 4 years, I had 3 different drug dealers living next door or above me. My life consisted of taking the bus across town to high school, going to the library, and going to the basketball court. I was terrified of the gang members, but I soon became more scared of the cops. I was state-class in track and felt I could out-run and avoid gangsters, but there was nothing I could do when the cops got me in their sights.

The summer before my junior year, I was stopped and searched more than 10 times, 6 times within a block of my apartment. This was always walking, I didn't have a car. I didn't dress in gang colors, didn't hang out on the street, and always carried my bookbag with me. I was so conditioned that every time I saw a police car, I expected to get searched, and was rarely disappointed. I have been hit with a club when I didn't answer a question with "sir". I had seen them strip search a friend on the street who also wasn't in a gang, and was terrified they would humiliate me the same way. They also took one guy on the block for a ride and then dropped him off in rival gang territory and left him there. He made it back alright, no thanks to them. They once put me into the car when I was at a fast food place two blocks from home when it was almost curfew time. They said they were driving me home, but took some long out of the way route that took 10 minutes. I almost had a heart attack thinking they were going to just drop me off somewhere. I was obviously scared, and those bastards must have kept me that way for their own enjoyment.

Every time I was stopped, it was a different policeman with the same MO. Stop me for no reason, be really aggressive physically, insult me a couple of times, rifle through my pockets and bags without respect(throwing stuff around, and then leaving it for me to clean up), make me wait around for no reason(a lot of times i didn't even have i.d., so they weren't checking that), and then let me go without apology when they found nothing. These things were so common that I would just go inside and be really mad and feel violated, not aware of anything I could do. I led a crime free life, and knew I was one of the smartest people in Chicago in my age group, yet to the police I was an object that they could manhandle at will.

Somehow, with all their searches, the same guys sold drugs for years on end without getting caught. I even made anonymous calls from pay phones to the police with descriptions and apartment numbers, and those guys were always there the next day. One drug dealing neighbor was shot down in his car a few blocks away.

So when you start an argument with "the police must have had a reason", I know for a fact that you aren't dealing with reality. Reality is that police do single people out for no valid reason and go on fishing expeditions. That may or may not apply to this case, but it definitely happens all the time. Somebody who got stopped for the first time in his life may just let it go and be passive, but I know if it happens to me again, I won't. I don't think anyone should be treated like a criminal because of age, race, or location, only because of criminal actions. So if I know i've done nothing wrong, the cop who decides to make assumptions about me isn't going to do so without repercussions, and I definitely won't "be nice" as if I enjoy their violations. Police, like you, refuse to even acknowledge there is a problem, so it's highly unlikely steps are being taken to solve it.

You accuse her of making assumptions, yet you do the same. You are so biased you cannot see the other side. Your personal experience is just a tale of YOUR viewpoint of what happened. I am sure there is truth to it, but there was probably a lot of details you left out. How do I know this? There is always two sides to every story and we are only hearing yours. I have never been too impressed with your viewpoint on many things, so I am going to take your experience with a grain of salt. Shitty isn't it that someone is as callous towards your viewpoint as you are towards theirs. Pot and the kettle can be big buddies now.

(this will be a bit of unorganized rambling; please forgive)

Personally, I have never had any "problems" with being pulled over, nor have my parents. <conspiracy theorist mode = on>Maybe that is just because both they and I are white, normal looking people, who drive older cars that don't look suspicious.</conspiracy theorist mode =off>

More likely, it is because I drive the speed limit and don't drink - at all. Or maybe it is because the cops in this area are too busy busting meth labs to worry about harrassing normal people like me. Or maybe it is a combination of both. Or maybe we just have some of the 99% of good police in this area.

However, I am not ignorant enough on the other side of things, to believe that there are no bad cops, and that it is always the fault of the person in question. Brxndxn's story sounds biased to me, and I think if we heard an unbiased observer's version, most (if not all) of the cop's actions would be justified. But in Yowolabi's case, I would have to say that he probably does have a legitimate complaint. Given that a few bad cops do exist (refer to the incident in the southern US where several hundred innocent people, many of which were doing nothing more than dining outdoors at a restaraunt, were rounded up and sent off to jail for no reason at all), I would certainly think that such incidents of harrassment are quite possible; though they are rare, we tend to hear about them more because bad news is typically reported more readily than good news.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: geno

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: geno

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: Shockwave
Wow, look at all the ATOT asshats who support police burtality and illegal actions.

My opinion?

KILL THE POLICE!! ALL OF THEM!! DEAD!!! :|

moron. Don't you people understand what the world would be like without law enforcement?

No one here is supporting police brutality. No one here is saying the cop was justified in pushing him around. All anyone is saying is that its stupid & illegal to get out of the car. Which it is.

Ahhh, the land of the free, where it is illegal to get out of the car....

Land of the free, where an officer of the law can feel secure doing his job lame argument dude.

If the Cop had answered the question originally asked, the n00b wouldn't have got out of the car. Lame argument dude.

The Cop has no obligation to answer the question within his preferred time frame. True the cop should've given him the badge number by the end of the stop, but you do NOT get out of the car just because you want an answer. Getting out of the car just because you expect to ask a cop a question is INSANE, you just don't do it. You can't be serious if you say that he deserved to get out of the car.

I refer you to the land of the free quote above and I

at how quickly you surrender your human rights. Just give up now, resistance, for you anyway, is futile...

...and ppl go on about the French...

Things are done differently in every country. Freedom is not the issue here. You being obsessed with the US is the issue.

 

[Noid]

I just remembered why I hate the quote quote quote of a quote quote quote replies....

(where's the quote police)

 

[brxndxn]

Things are done differently in every country. Freedom is not the issue here. You being obsessed with the US is the issue.

Freedom is most definitely the issue when you get stopped at random after doing nothing wrong.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: brxndxn

Things are done differently in every country. Freedom is not the issue here. You being obsessed with the US is the issue.

Freedom is most definitely the issue when you get stopped at random after doing nothing wrong.

He says, "You were going 60, maybe 62 mph and this is a 45mph."

At this point, since I have been staring at the speedometer the whole time, I chimed in and said, "She was not speeding, sir. I was watching the speedometer the whole time and she never once passed 48mph. Can we go? Our Taco Bell is getting cold."

Right fvcking there you ADMITTED that she was speeding. Yet you were doing nothing wrong! Buzz...

 

[Noid]

I'm sorry ... you didnt fit the "Quote Profile' ... you may go now ....

 

[shoeeater]

It is absolutely 100% our responsability as citizens to keep cops in check. I dont have problems with the vast majority of cops, however they lose their ability to control their power a lot! Take my story and then talk to me about how I should be compliant with police.

I was pulled over while my girlfriend was speeding, this we didnt challenge. He told her to get out of the car (her grandmas camaro) and then asked if he could search it. She asked what he would do if she said no....he said he would call a K-9 unit to come sniff the car. MISTAKE #1 - A cop can never hold you in a situation like this longer than it takes to write the ticket. Here he was being decietful to make her say yes.

She eventually said yes and he came over to my side of the car and told me to get out of the car. Then he told me to put my hands on the side of the vehicle. He then searched me up and down.....taking out the stuff inside my pockets and everything. MISTAKE #2 - Illegal search....he had no probable cause and therefore no right to search me. These are the rules of being a police officer in the great land of the United States of America. This is a violation of the LAW! Even if it made him safer, he had no RIGHT to search my body.

I filed a report even though his boss asked me not to....then he denied the charges. Internal investigations got involved and had my girlfriend and I take a polygraph test. We both passed and he refused to take one. He was convicted on all 8 charges including an Illegal Search and conduct unbecoming of an officer, and he was given a proper punishment.

The plain and simple truth is that cops can NOT just go about doing what they want.....even if they feel like they can. We have rules that have been set out in local and Federal courts and they have to abide by them PERIOD. This cop did NOT OBEY THE RULES OF OUR COUNTRY! It doesnt matter who was a smart ass when or where. These are the LAWS. The cop needs to face the consequences of not following these laws.

 

[brxndxn]

Right fvcking there you ADMITTED that she was speeding. Yet you were doing nothing wrong! Buzz...

48mph.. meaning 3mph over the limit is not sufficient to be pulled over, bub.. Read the law.

 

[AthlonXP]

yes they can pull yo over for whatever.

 

[ProviaFan]

Originally posted by: shoeeater
It is absolutely 100% our responsability as citizens to keep cops in check. I dont have problems with the vast majority of cops, however they lose their ability to control their power a lot! Take my story and then talk to me about how I should be compliant with police.

I was pulled over while my girlfriend was speeding, this we didnt challenge. He told her to get out of the car (her grandmas camaro) and then asked if he could search it. She asked what he would do if she said no....he said he would call a K-9 unit to come sniff the car. MISTAKE #1 - A cop can never hold you in a situation like this longer than it takes to write the ticket. Here he was being decietful to make her say yes.

She eventually said yes and he came over to my side of the car and told me to get out of the car. Then he told me to put my hands on the side of the vehicle. He then searched me up and down.....taking out the stuff inside my pockets and everything. MISTAKE #2 - Illegal search....he had no probable cause and therefore no right to search me. These are the rules of being a police officer in the great land of the United States of America. This is a violation of the LAW! Even if it made him safer, he had no RIGHT to search my body.

I filed a report even though his boss asked me not to....then he denied the charges. Internal investigations got involved and had my girlfriend and I take a polygraph test. We both passed and he refused to take one. He was convicted on all 8 charges including an Illegal Search and conduct unbecoming of an officer, and he was given a proper punishment.

The plain and simple truth is that cops can NOT just go about doing what they want.....even if they feel like they can. We have rules that have been set out in local and Federal courts and they have to abide by them PERIOD. This cop did NOT OBEY THE RULES OF OUR COUNTRY! It doesnt matter who was a smart ass when or where. These are the LAWS. The cop needs to face the consequences of not following these laws.

At least you were a little more sane about your actions, in that you cooperated. Her asking him what he would do if she said no may have been a little over the line, but then again he was in the wrong, too; whether that makes her question right or not is debatable. Still, I'm glad to see that justice was accomplished in your situation, even if it did take some time and didn't happen Right Now (TM).

 

[GroundZero]

they should have thrown you in jail for life just for being a dumbass that went to tacohell...
and then complaining that it was getting cold? does it make any difference as to the temperature
for anything from that comes from that shltpit? and then you get out of the car without being told to?
the stupidity continues...

 

[yowolabi]

Originally posted by: Millennium

You accuse her of making assumptions, yet you do the same. You are so biased you cannot see the other side. Your personal experience is just a tale of YOUR viewpoint of what happened. I am sure there is truth to it, but there was probably a lot of details you left out. How do I know this? There is always two sides to every story and we are only hearing yours. I have never been too impressed with your viewpoint on many things, so I am going to take your experience with a grain of salt. Shitty isn't it that someone is as callous towards your viewpoint as you are towards theirs. Pot and the kettle can be big buddies now.

I bolded the part of your response that wasn't pure ad hominem vitriol. Look at those personal insults fly. It's not even a good ad hominem attack. That would involve bringing up something that I said in the past that was untrue or easily attackable. You just say that i'm an unreliable source, with nothing to back that up. Then you try to excuse your lack of a logical response by saying you're being callous to my viewpoint in response to my callousness. Great strategy.

What assumption do I make. She said "i'm sure you are leaving out details", and "if you were pulled over, it was for a reason". That's not leaving room for the possiblity that the cop may have been corrupt. If you don't acknowledge that this is as much of a possiblity as any other explanation, then you aren't dealing in reality.

I know for a fact that it happens all the time without a reason. I'm walking down my block towards my apartment. A police car turns down the street, pulls up, stops me and searches me. During the course of the search the policeman insults me and hits me with his club. There is no rationalization that makes the behavior acceptable. I committed no crime and gave the cops no reason to believe I had. A strip search on the street is not acceptable. One stop and I would have believed there was a rational excuse. When it happens in the double digits within a couple of months, you run out of reasons to justify it. Never once did I antagonize the police, even during the search.

Of course the only retreat for someone who wants to pretend that these things don't happen is to insist that a tale of abuse isn't an accurate reflection of what happened. That's what happens far too often. The solution is to simply acknowledge that abuses of power happen and to work to correct them.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: brxndxn

Right fvcking there you ADMITTED that she was speeding. Yet you were doing nothing wrong! Buzz...

48mph.. meaning 3mph over the limit is not sufficient to be pulled over, bub.. Read the law.

Yes it is. What LAW are you referring to? Please PLEASE PLEASE tell me what MADE UP law you are talking about. Don't hand my a BS too fast for conditions or a conditonal speed limit crap either. It isn't valid.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Millennium
I actually think brxndxn got off lucky. If I would have been the officer I would have written the ticket and then hung out in the parking lot. When brxndxn confronted me I would have told him to get back in the car and call dispatch in the morning. When he refused and became belligerent I would have pepper sprayed him and handcuffed him. I would have then taken him to the station and arrested him for disorderly conduct, public intox, refusal to obey a peace officer, resisting arrest, and harassment. I guarantee the DA would have pressed charges on every count. I then would have the DA's office lobbed by the Police Officer's Union and the FOP to NOT plea bargain. a few felonies and a few years in prison would not look good. Then again, I will admit I would have been an asshole, but brxndxn was one first. Never be an asshole to a cop. You always lose. It may not always be right or deserving of the person, but every action has a reaction. It is the simple truth when dealing with someone who has a high stress job and is used to getting attacked by the public. How many drunk and disorderlies has that officer already answered that night? How many people give him lip and try to get him fired over him DOING his JOB? People hate the police, so why can't the police do the same in kind? It isn't right but they are HUMAN just like everyone else. Sure, they are held to a higher standard, but HOW high?

Nice to see just exactly what kind of prick cop you plan on being, Millennium.

:disgust:
People hate car salemen too and give them lip and try to get them fired for doing their job, but a car salesmen doesn't have the luxury of killing people or putting them in jail for years as petty revenge. What comes around goes around, pal. If not in this life, then the next, you fvckin' POS. :|

Vic the sad thing is, you are supposed to be educated. As I stated in my prior posts I was telling brxndxn what the reality is. When I said what I would do, it was purposely NASTY to prove a point. If you don't know me well enough by now to understand my integrity then fvck off. Seriously. You are nothing more than a moronic pothead that can't see the point of my post because you have an obvious distaste for Cops. Oh wait that was personal, well you did call me a POS. I gave a view of what the cop might have been thinking. I did it using ME as the officer. What I would actually do is not the actions listed above. I don't expect you to understand my POV, because you are always decidedly one sided in any thread you post in. You can never see why anyone else might have a different viewpoint than you, because you think you are so GODDAMN brilliant. Well this time you struck out. Can you not tell the tone of my post was going over a worst case scenario? Did you skip my prior posts in which I said the officer MAY have been wrong, but brxndxn unnecessarily escalated the situation? Did you see were I tried to point out REALITY to him and not some BS liberal idea that every cop is corrupt. I was trying to give him an officers viewpoint, but many people in this thread can't understand that. I have actually received PMs from a good number of people that completely understood what I was trying to do.

You try to validate your hatred about cops, but it is an inaccurate hatred. You failed to read all my posts or get the context of what I was trying to say. Things could have been much worse for brxndxn and you know it. He should not have escalated the situation or gotten out of the car. ESPECIALLY, when he had been drinking. Were you there to get a determination of what actually happened? Was anyone other than brxndxn there? We have a BIASED one side account and you are ranting and raving about corrupt cops. Didn't you want move evidence before we invaded Iraq? The irony here is stunning! When it comes to something you dislike NO evidence is needed. When something you like is in danger we need PILES of evidence. If you want to reply then go ahead. I am going to give you the opportunity to reread my posts and attempt to understand the points I was making. You were so obtuse and filled with hatred that you MISSED the message of my posts. I don't think the pot helps either.

Well... except for the ad hominem pot references, that was a very good reply, Millennium. It's nice to see that SOMEONE actually reads my posts (seriously), although I think that the true irony here is you calling me opinionated, like that isn't the pot calling the kettle black!
And I agree with you that brxndxn behaved inappropiately, and I already said so on page 2. He should have kept his mouth shut, not admitted to drinking, and remained in the car. If your quoted post here that pissed me off was hypothetical, I think you should know that it doesn't sound like it. You phrase it as something that you actually would do. If it was designed to be a classic cop scare tactic, then I think you should know that it exactly that type of abuse of power that you described, and the subsequent rallying of the police unions, that has caused so much public sentiment to turn against the police these past years.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: shoeeater
It is absolutely 100% our responsability as citizens to keep cops in check. I dont have problems with the vast majority of cops, however they lose their ability to control their power a lot! Take my story and then talk to me about how I should be compliant with police.

I was pulled over while my girlfriend was speeding, this we didnt challenge. He told her to get out of the car (her grandmas camaro) and then asked if he could search it. She asked what he would do if she said no....he said he would call a K-9 unit to come sniff the car. MISTAKE #1 - A cop can never hold you in a situation like this longer than it takes to write the ticket. Here he was being decietful to make her say yes.

She eventually said yes and he came over to my side of the car and told me to get out of the car. Then he told me to put my hands on the side of the vehicle. He then searched me up and down.....taking out the stuff inside my pockets and everything. MISTAKE #2 - Illegal search....he had no probable cause and therefore no right to search me. These are the rules of being a police officer in the great land of the United States of America. This is a violation of the LAW! Even if it made him safer, he had no RIGHT to search my body.

I filed a report even though his boss asked me not to....then he denied the charges. Internal investigations got involved and had my girlfriend and I take a polygraph test. We both passed and he refused to take one. He was convicted on all 8 charges including an Illegal Search and conduct unbecoming of an officer, and he was given a proper punishment.

The plain and simple truth is that cops can NOT just go about doing what they want.....even if they feel like they can. We have rules that have been set out in local and Federal courts and they have to abide by them PERIOD. This cop did NOT OBEY THE RULES OF OUR COUNTRY! It doesnt matter who was a smart ass when or where. These are the LAWS. The cop needs to face the consequences of not following these laws.

I don't believe you for two reasons. First, that was not an illegal search of your person(USSC says so). Secondly, he can make you wait until the canine gets there. It is simply a continuation of his investigation. Nice made up story.

 

[shoeeater]

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: brxndxn

Right fvcking there you ADMITTED that she was speeding. Yet you were doing nothing wrong! Buzz...

48mph.. meaning 3mph over the limit is not sufficient to be pulled over, bub.. Read the law.

Yes it is. What LAW are you referring to? Please PLEASE PLEASE tell me what MADE UP law you are talking about. Don't hand my a BS too fast for conditions or a conditonal speed limit crap either. It isn't valid.

Actually that is the law. It does make up for any margin of error in the radar detection equipment and in your speedometer. Check with your local police. And in case you are wondering....there is a very real small difference in both the radar detector and a speedometer in your car. How long you have been on a set of tires will wear them down enough to report wrong speeds.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: yowolabi

Originally posted by: Millennium

You accuse her of making assumptions, yet you do the same. You are so biased you cannot see the other side. Your personal experience is just a tale of YOUR viewpoint of what happened. I am sure there is truth to it, but there was probably a lot of details you left out. How do I know this? There is always two sides to every story and we are only hearing yours. I have never been too impressed with your viewpoint on many things, so I am going to take your experience with a grain of salt. Shitty isn't it that someone is as callous towards your viewpoint as you are towards theirs. Pot and the kettle can be big buddies now.

I bolded the part of your response that wasn't pure ad hominem vitriol. Look at those personal insults fly. It's not even a good ad hominem attack. That would involve bringing up something that I said in the past that was untrue or easily attackable. You just say that i'm an unreliable source, with nothing to back that up. Then you try to excuse your lack of a logical response by saying you're being callous to my viewpoint in response to my callousness. Great strategy.

What assumption do I make. She said "i'm sure you are leaving out details", and "if you were pulled over, it was for a reason". That's not leaving room for the possiblity that the cop may have been corrupt. If you don't acknowledge that this is as much of a possiblity as any other explanation, then you aren't dealing in reality.

I know for a fact that it happens all the time without a reason. I'm walking down my block towards my apartment. A police car turns down the street, pulls up, stops me and searches me. During the course of the search the policeman insults me and hits me with his club. There is no rationalization that makes the behavior acceptable. I committed no crime and gave the cops no reason to believe I had. A strip search on the street is not acceptable. One stop and I would have believed there was a rational excuse. When it happens in the double digits within a couple of months, you run out of reasons to justify it. Never once did I antagonize the police, even during the search.

Of course the only retreat for someone who wants to pretend that these things don't happen is to insist that a tale of abuse isn't an accurate reflection of what happened. That's what happens far too often. The solution is to simply acknowledge that abuses of power happen and to work to correct them.

yowolabi- You would love it if my points didn't have merit, but they do regardless of my tone or any fallaciousness. You can continue to tell your side and I can continue to not believe it. I think you are biased and you think I am biased. So that leaves us disagreeing on everything. I didn't know it was necessary to point out your prior posts that were pathetic. I think you know exactly what I am talking about. Why don't you think the Police had a reason for what they did? There is another forum member on here who had a gun pulled on him several times by the LAPD. It was a mistaken identity almost every time. Is that not a reason? Nah! Not for your liberal minded harping brain.

BTW, thanks for the ad-hom back. The irony is sickening.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: shoeeater

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: brxndxn

Right fvcking there you ADMITTED that she was speeding. Yet you were doing nothing wrong! Buzz...

48mph.. meaning 3mph over the limit is not sufficient to be pulled over, bub.. Read the law.

Yes it is. What LAW are you referring to? Please PLEASE PLEASE tell me what MADE UP law you are talking about. Don't hand my a BS too fast for conditions or a conditonal speed limit crap either. It isn't valid.

Actually that is the law. It does make up for any margin of error in the radar detection equipment and in your speedometer. Check with your local police. And in case you are wondering....there is a very real small difference in both the radar detector and a speedometer in your car. How long you have been on a set of tires will wear them down enough to report wrong speeds.

Post the statute. I can post the statute for my state and Florida. BRB.

 

[shoeeater]

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: shoeeater
It is absolutely 100% our responsability as citizens to keep cops in check. I dont have problems with the vast majority of cops, however they lose their ability to control their power a lot! Take my story and then talk to me about how I should be compliant with police.

I was pulled over while my girlfriend was speeding, this we didnt challenge. He told her to get out of the car (her grandmas camaro) and then asked if he could search it. She asked what he would do if she said no....he said he would call a K-9 unit to come sniff the car. MISTAKE #1 - A cop can never hold you in a situation like this longer than it takes to write the ticket. Here he was being decietful to make her say yes.

She eventually said yes and he came over to my side of the car and told me to get out of the car. Then he told me to put my hands on the side of the vehicle. He then searched me up and down.....taking out the stuff inside my pockets and everything. MISTAKE #2 - Illegal search....he had no probable cause and therefore no right to search me. These are the rules of being a police officer in the great land of the United States of America. This is a violation of the LAW! Even if it made him safer, he had no RIGHT to search my body.

I filed a report even though his boss asked me not to....then he denied the charges. Internal investigations got involved and had my girlfriend and I take a polygraph test. We both passed and he refused to take one. He was convicted on all 8 charges including an Illegal Search and conduct unbecoming of an officer, and he was given a proper punishment.

The plain and simple truth is that cops can NOT just go about doing what they want.....even if they feel like they can. We have rules that have been set out in local and Federal courts and they have to abide by them PERIOD. This cop did NOT OBEY THE RULES OF OUR COUNTRY! It doesnt matter who was a smart ass when or where. These are the LAWS. The cop needs to face the consequences of not following these laws.

I don't believe you for two reasons. First, that was not an illegal search of your person(USSC says so). Secondly, he can make you wait until the canine gets there. It is simply a continuation of his investigation. Nice made up story.

Actually bud it is a very true story. Sarasota Country police department in Florida if you would like to check it out. And a cop can only search if he ASKS PERMISSION to first. A forced search of a person requires probable cause.

He can not wait for a canine unless he has probable cause that you have drugs in the car. Such as knowing there is a car in the area that has drugs in it that fits the description of the vehicle at hand. There is no "investigation" as he has no reason to believe that another law has been broken other than speeding.

Dont you try and tell me about these laws. I know them all to well.

 

[Noid]

... lol ... that last one reminded me when I got pulled over in Missouri in a one cop town.

He gave me a ticket for passing a slow vehicle.
I asked him if the court house was open to complain about the ticket.
(it was)

He said " If you turn around I'll tear your car apart looking of contraban."

And ...

"I will find contraban"

I hit the road...

A year later I found out that when the ticket was transfered to Illinios ... It was a ticket for passing a school bus!
(no school when ticket was written ... I had to call and get copies of that ticket from that little old courthouse to send to Springfield)

 

[shoeeater]

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: shoeeater

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: brxndxn

Right fvcking there you ADMITTED that she was speeding. Yet you were doing nothing wrong! Buzz...

48mph.. meaning 3mph over the limit is not sufficient to be pulled over, bub.. Read the law.

Yes it is. What LAW are you referring to? Please PLEASE PLEASE tell me what MADE UP law you are talking about. Don't hand my a BS too fast for conditions or a conditonal speed limit crap either. It isn't valid.

Actually that is the law. It does make up for any margin of error in the radar detection equipment and in your speedometer. Check with your local police. And in case you are wondering....there is a very real small difference in both the radar detector and a speedometer in your car. How long you have been on a set of tires will wear them down enough to report wrong speeds.

Post the statute. I can post the statute for my state and Florida. BRB.

While your at it why dont you go ahead and post the price of a ticket for going 3 over. Good luck.