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Charmonium

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In this episode of BirdNoir, the Private Eye sees some suspicious activity: a House Sparrow tries to steal a nestbox from Tree Swallows, but then flees the scene in terror. He stakes out the nestbox to see what the Tree Swallows are doing to keep intruders away.

A short audio piece. A couple minutes long...

OMG. I'm too embarrassed to how much I liked it.

But where do those behaviors come from? If it's a learned behavior, how could something like this be observed with the possible intention of doing the same thing. It's obvious to us, but if they understand what they're doing, that's quite a jump in mental abilities.
 

lxskllr

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Dunno. If I had to make a guess, I'd say it first started when a bird got overly aggressive pulling feathers to line a nest, and got a positive result from it. How it propagated, I have no idea. There's some crazy convoluted systems that nature's evolved to keep some small animals(and plants!) alive. Some of the multistage parasitic infections are spectacular. Also, I don't think humans give other animals enough credit for intelligence. They treat them as mindless automatons, incapable of anything other than breed, eat, shit, and sleep. They have more going on than we realize, and we frame intelligence in human terms, which animals will always fail since they aren't human.

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An interesting(to me) example of animal intelligence is my girl cat knows she's "the sister". That's not a term I've used excessively, but when I ask the boy where his sister is, the girl will come running over if she's somewhere out of sight. It's not like I've ever directly called her sister. That term application had to be surmised from oblique references.
 
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An interesting(to me) example of animal intelligence is my girl cat knows she's "the sister".
Dogs and cats (to a lesser extent) can build up word vocabularies in their brains.

Also, it's possible that the brother talks to the sister in a high frequency tone that you can't hear and tells her, he's calling for you!
 

sdifox

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Do the Chinese always design machines with humans integrated as parts? Look at the people walking under the machine doing who knows what at the end of that clip.

Probably still an improvement over this.

 
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lxskllr

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That video's impressive, but that's only part of the picture. The RoW has to acquired, the cut made, graded out, ballast laid and graded... Then the machine has to be setup. After it lays track, the utilities and infrastructure need to be installed. IOW, at the start of the project, it's still a long time til trains are running.
 
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That video's impressive, but that's only part of the picture. The RoW has to acquired, the cut made, graded out, ballast laid and graded... Then the machine has to be setup. After it lays track, the utilities and infrastructure need to be installed. IOW, at the start of the project, it's still a long time til trains are running.
Very true, it's still impressive how quickly infrastructure is built up there
 

KMFJD

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Do the Chinese always design machines with humans integrated as a part? Look at the people walking under the machine doing who knows what at the end of that clip.

Probably still an improvement over this.

Not sure, it'll be automated shortly enough though i think, Here's laying down brick roads in Europe

 

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Very true, it's still impressive how quickly infrastructure is built up there

Hmmm, though can't help but notice a lot of it falls down again just as quickly.





Seems like the US is at one end of the extreme, China at the other, when it comes to the balance between actually getting infrastructure built, and building things that are fit-for-purpose.
 
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Kaido

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I went to a pirate museum the other day:


I learned a lot of surprising things:

1. Nobody really used pirate maps, that's all cartoons.

2. Nobody really buried their treasure. It was like, one dude. Cartoons win once again.

3. There were some complicated politics as to why people became pirates. Originally England would commission privateers (like mercenaries). When people got back from the war in the Navy, England had over-extended itself, so they didn't have any money to pay them, so some of the privateers turned to pirating to make money & moved on to attacking English ships.

4. Pirating was pretty fair. People got an equal share of the loot, unlike getting stiffed by England. Downside is your average life expectancy was only 2 years, whether from getting shot, stabbed, hung, or getting gangrene.

5. There were only like 2 documented pirate ships that had no black sailors. Sometimes they'd take over a slave ship & recruit people from there. They had tons of languages & nationalities represented on the pirate ships, it was a huge melting pot! All that mattered is if you were committed & did your work, then you were equal! So you had everything from runaway kids to freed slaves to disenchanted military men, and even some women who dressed up as men who snuck into the ranks!

6. The Whydah pirate ship is the only fully-authenticated pirate ship ever discovered.

7. It's also the only pirate treasure ever recovered. So far, they've pulled over 200,000 silver coins up from the wreck, and it's estimated that there are over a million coins down there.

8. They also have found hundreds of copper & bronze bracelets called "manillas", which were a form of currency in West Africa. They were in the process of cleaning some of the bracelets & some of the coins & we got to hold them, so I've held real pirate treasure! The coins were mined from Bolivia & Lima and had pretty intricate stamps with lots of information on each coin.

9. The ocean builds up concretions around buried artifacts. They take x-rays of rocks & then keep them in fishtanks or mist water on the bigger pieces, which include fragments of human bones, guns, canon balls, silver, and other artifacts.

10. Pirates would sometimes spend the equivalent of 2 year's pay on their guns (it was like their equivalent of decking out a high-end, personalized gaming PC). Each one was hand-made & unique, so you had to be careful not to lose the parts because even a gun made by the same dude wouldn't have parts that fit. The quality of the metal workmanship was amazing for the time!

11. They would often kidnap surgeons & doctors because health issues were so rampant. Barring that, they would use the ship's carpenter to amputate limbs. In the English Navy, sailors often wouldn't join up unless they had a doctor or at the very least a medical chest onboard. Because medical stuff was so hard to come by, captains would often just buy an empty medical chest to prove that they had it, only for the sailors to be screwed when their time of need came.

12. The gibbet system was a public execution system for hanging people in a cage. Sometimes they'd cover you in tar too! Pirating was both high-reward & high-risk...you could explore the ocean & earn your riches, but if you got caught, it was pretty bad!

The coins were very rough-cut: (not my pic)

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Cleaning up some copper bracelets: (not my pic)

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The gibbet public execution system:

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Kaido

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I also stopped at Plymouth Rock. It was...surprisingly small lol. They also had the full replicate "Mayflower II" boat in the dock, which was also shockingly small. Learned some interesting things:

1. The Mayflower II was built in the 50's as a post-war collaboration between America & England. They built it to match the original & then sailed it across the ocean successfully! I can't believe they stuffed nearly 140 people on that tiny boat on the original journey. People were TOUGH back in the day! Although not everyone came over for religious reasons.

2. I didn't quite grasp the timelines as a kid. Columbus "discovered" American in 1492. Jamestown was founded in 1607; 440 of the 500 new arrivals died of starvation in the first six months of later. The Pilgrims didn't come on the Mayflower until 1620, which was 128 years after Columbus, so there was a pretty long stretch of time & the Pilgrims weren't the only ones to come over during that time, so it's more or less symbolic as far as getting America populated goes.

3. They had it pretty rough. First they moved to the Netherlands, then saved up for a couple ships. One ship had issues, so they got a late start on a single ship, the Mayflower, which wasn't really an ocean-faring ship. So they showed up late (arriving in November instead of leaving in June) & didn't even bring fishing poles & weren't able to plant anything. There were pregnant women onboard, along with goats & other animals. Super duper cramped! It took a rough 10 weeks of sailing, yet only one person died on the voyage!

4. Half the crew & the passengers died once they got there. The local Native Americans hooked them up with food skills, so they celebrated the first Thanksgiving the next...only about 50 or so of the original 100-ish survived & they hung out with 90 or so Native Americans (Wampanoag). Over the next 70 years, the colony grew to over 3,000 people and today, more than 35 million people are direct descendants of the Pilgrims (10 million of which are Americans!). Crazy how tenuous our history is!

Not my pic:

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Mayflower II replica: (not my pic)

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Ajay

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^

I've been it was a neat trip. I too was literally shocked at how small the replica Mayflower actual is. I'm just under 6' - and I could believe that many people could live down there. The tour guide then mentioned that the average height of men and women was significantly shorter than today. I know about the high death rate, but didn't know they didn't even bring fishing poles!! Many fish are a great source of protein and fat, the fat being needed to make it thru the winter if you don't have grain stores. So, yeah, real rough go!
 
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I've been it was a neat trip. I too was literally shocked at how small the replica Mayflower actual is. I'm just under 6' - and I could believe that many people could live down there. The tour guide then mentioned that the average height of men and women was significantly shorter than today. I know about the high death rate, but didn't know they didn't even bring fishing poles!! Many fish are a great source of protein and fat, the fat being needed to make it thru the winter if you don't have grain stores. So, yeah, real rough go!

Yeah, apparently they were supposed to leave in June, but even with a solid 2-month journey, the planting wouldn't have been great...but they were stuck in Holland for like 12 years, so I'm sure they were pretty ready to go lol. I couldn't believe how small the ship was, to have 139 human beings cramped & crossing over the ocean for over 2 months. It was only a few-hour drive for me & I got antsy just from that lol!

It gets weirder because the second ship, the Speedwell, kept springing leaks. The official story was that after it was decommissioned from the military, it was retrofitted with a larger mainmast to carry a bigger sail, but the torque caused the hole to separate & created leaks. The unofficial story is that the captain purposely sabotaged the voyage by adding an oversized sail in order to keep his payment but then get it repaired & sell it for profit without having to sail overseas. Nutty stuff:


The interesting thing is, if those leaks hadn't happened, the extra passengers wouldn't have gotten stuck on the Mayflower, not all of whom were religious (but they needed the $$$ to make the trip, as they were low on funds), which meant the Mayflower Compact, aka the first successful colony that had a democratic government, might have never happened! That's because it was pretty much evenly split between the religious dudes & the "Strangers" (other people not of their religion), so they had to figure out some kind of agreement to both survive and get along:


I always thought the boats were bigger too, even the "big" ocean-faring ones. The Titanic vs. the Mayflower:

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The Titanic vs. a modern Cruise ship:

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Mayflower vs. a modern Cruise ship:

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Then regular cruise ships compared to Oasis-class cruise ships:

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The previous biggie Freedom of the Seas vs. the latest Wonder of the Seas, which was just finished last year & can hold 6,988 passengers. Imagine being a Pilgrim looking down at today's world and being like maaaaan, they had WATERSLIDES on their boat?! hahaha

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KMFJD

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One of the Oasis ships was in port here recently and my god was that thing huge, would not want to be on one of those tbqh
 

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One of the Oasis ships was in port here recently and my god was that thing huge, would not want to be on one of those tbqh

The small rooms now have a feature called "Virtual Balcony" which feature 80" vertical flatscreens with live camera feeds, which is especially useful in the smaller, cheaper rooms to make them feel more open. The view you get depends on which side you're facing, as they have multiple cameras:


If you have some spare change, they also have a $40,000 family suite available, complete with a slide:

 

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Photo of Santa Maria replica captained by Columbus ~200 years earlier. They actually sail this baby. So it is in use. Wonder if they offer rides?
(Don't have any specs on it - this is my cousin's photo.)

Columbus's old house is nearby, on Porto Santo island (Madeira group).

Columbus' Santa Maria replica.jpg
 
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sdifox

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never understood cruises. but then I am from an island so boats are meh to me.
 

sdifox

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Geez, these old boats we so small for major ocean going vessels o_O

Viking Longships were about 65ft long lol and no cabins or below deck. I have seen references to the ones that crossed the Atlantic were 30 m long (98ft)


 
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Photo of Santa Maria replica captained by Columbus ~200 years earlier. They actually sail this baby. So it is in use. Wonder if they offer rides?
(Don't have any specs on it - this is my cousin's photo.)

Columbus's old house is nearby, on Porto Santo island (Madeira group).

Look at how small it is with that ladder for scale...I can't imagine crossing the ocean in something like that! Crazy that you can do a cruise from East Coast USA to Europe in about a week while partying all day & all night with movie theaters, live bands, shows, fine dining, etc. From the Pilgrims to today is only about 400 years...what a world of difference we experience!

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The small rooms now have a feature called "Virtual Balcony" which feature 80" vertical flatscreens with live camera feeds, which is especially useful in the smaller, cheaper rooms to make them feel more open. The view you get depends on which side you're facing, as they have multiple cameras:


If you have some spare change, they also have a $40,000 family suite available, complete with a slide:

The virtual balcony does seem kinda cool and would help those with claustrophobia(maybe?) , it's still way to many people on that boat for me....

never understood cruises. but then I am from an island so boats are meh to me.
It's easier for my disabled dad to travel to visit many places this way, wake up in the morning to a new port without the headache of getting on and off a plane , waiting for luggage/wheelchair/scooter....just makes travel much easier for him, and i can see the benefit for older passengers as well. The cruises i've went with him on have been pretty good and the food was also good (although after 14 days it does get a bit tedious)
 
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