Study of Holocaust mandated for schools in Australia

[SandEagle]

http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/study-of-holocaust-mandated-for-schools-20121207-2b10k.html

THE study of the Holocaust will become compulsory for all NSW school students in years 9 and 10 after the Jewish Board of Deputies lobbied the state government for the curriculum change.

yeah, that's nice and all. how about teaching kids about other holocausts too? like iraq, armenia, rwanda, shatila, sabrila, detroit?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

We could also teach then about religious dictatorships, and Detroit.

 

[Screech]

I always sorta thought it was one of those things that would be included in any history class dealing with WW2. Well it was for me anyway.

 

[dennilfloss]

We did spend a lot of time learning about World War II in school during the 60s and that included the Shoah.

 

[nehalem256]

I always sorta thought it was one of those things that would be included in any history class dealing with WW2. Well it was for me anyway.

Is it possible to teach WW2 without mentioning the holocaust?

 

[Wreckem]

http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/study-of-holocaust-mandated-for-schools-20121207-2b10k.html



yeah, that's nice and all. how about teaching kids about other holocausts too? like iraq, armenia, rwanda, shatila, sabrila, detroit?

There is only one holocaust. The rest are genocides, most stemming from civil wars.

Not teaching the holocaust in a high school level history class is asinine. The holocaust was the basis for WWII. Its an integral part of WWII.

The genocide committed by the Soviets during the same WWII time period should be included in a class covering WWII, but aren't. The Soviets slaughtered/starved more people to death than the Nazi's, but high school classes on WWII don't cover it. Neither do most college courses, unless its specifically a class on late modern Soviet History.

Recent genocides are important to learn about, but hardly rise to the level of the holocaust. Most colleges only talk about other genocides(especially more recent ones), in classes solely covering genocide/comparative genocide.

 

[SandEagle]

There is only one holocaust. The rest are genocides, most stemming from civil wars.

Not teaching the holocaust in a high school level history class is asinine. The holocaust was the basis for WWII. Its an integral part of WWII.

The genocide committed by the Soviets during the same WWII time period should be included in a class covering WWII, but aren't. The Soviets slaughtered/starved more people to death than the Nazi's, but high school classes on WWII don't cover it. Neither do most college courses, unless its specifically a class on late modern Soviet History.

Recent genocides are important to learn about, but hardly rise to the level of the holocaust. Most colleges only talk about other genocides(especially more recent ones), in classes solely talking about genocide/comparative genocide.

i graduated so long ago i can't even recall if they talked about this in our history class. can't remember much about wwii either. maybe i should have paid attention instead of sticking issues of nintendo power in between my books. and no, there have been tons of holocausts. unless that term has been trademarked already?

 

[Wreckem]

i graduated so long ago i can't even recall if they talked about this in our history class. can't remember much about wwii either. maybe i should have paid attention instead of sticking issues of nintendo power in between my books. and no, there have been tons of holocausts. unless that term has been trademarked already?

There has only been one Holocaust. There were other holocausts prior to the Holocaust, but those and other events like those are typically referred to as Genocide these days.

Its the Cambodian Genocide, the Darfur Genocide, the Rwanda Genocide, the Bosnian Genocide, the Iraqi Genocide. Etc. Rarely do people call them holocausts these days. None of the rise to the level of the Holocaust. The only thing that rivals/is worse than what the Nazi's did was what the Soviets were doing.

My History professor in college considered anything after the 1950s/early 1960s to be political science material, not history. There are a lot of people that feel the same way.

 

[unokitty]

Katyn massacre

I grew up in a Polish neighbourhood on Chcago's West Side.

In Dec 69, I volunteered for the draft.

I can still remember some of the local guys buying me beers before I left.

"The bad new is that you are going to be in the Army.

The good news is now you get to go kill Communists."

God bless them. They didn't need school mandates to remember their history.

Uno

 

[Wreckem]

Katyn massacre

I grew up in a Polish neighbourhood on Chcago's West Side.

In Dec 69, I volunteered for the draft.

I can still remember some of the local guys buying me beers before I left.

"The bad new is that you are going to be in the Army.

The good news is now you get to go kill Communists."

God bless them. They didn't need school mandates to remember their history.

Uno

They didnt need mandates because they/their family suffered it. A lot of high school students in the US couldn't tell you who were the allies and who were the Axis is WWII. My wifes a history grad student (late modern Germany, Holocaust and Comparative Genocide) and the shit students say and/or believe about History in a college level US History Survey course is comical.

And unfortunately, in general there is an abnormally high number of people in the US and world that are Holocaust deniers.

Even though all one needs is to get access to the Holocaust archives that Germany has. The Nazi's kept extremely accurate details of everything they did, when they did it, how they did, where they did it, and who they did it to.

Unfortunately most history courses(atleast offered in the US) gloss over/doesn't cover the US/World inaction because of US/World antisemitism & extreme xenophobia. If Hitler and the Nazi's didn't try/seek global conquest history would have been quite different.

And then you have the US Govt's(state govts mostly) crimes against our own citizenry pre-WWII. The US was the leader in the Eugenics movements until the Nazi's used Eugenics as a justification for their extermination of the Jews. For gods sake, the idea of using gas chambers to euthanize and cleanse society of people deemed to be of unfit genetics(blacks, women who had premarital sex, people of low iq, etc) originated from the American eugenics movement. Not only was it an American idea, it was also considered to be the recommended solution of the widely believed in movement.

 

[Agent11]

They never did actually euthanize people in the US though, and it wasn't a federal program it was state by state.

Several people have sued their states for being sterilized in the not too distant past.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

We could also teach then about religious dictatorships, and Detroit.

And Brixton and Bosnia...

And how to be a batsheit insane person who is against everyone getting the best care on equal terms.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Katyn massacre

I grew up in a Polish neighbourhood on Chcago's West Side.

In Dec 69, I volunteered for the draft.

I can still remember some of the local guys buying me beers before I left.

"The bad new is that you are going to be in the Army.

The good news is now you get to go kill Communists."

God bless them. They didn't need school mandates to remember their history.

Uno

Bullsheit. Pure and bred.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

They didnt need mandates because they/their family suffered it. A lot of high school students in the US couldn't tell you who were the allies and who were the Axis is WWII. My wifes a history grad student (late modern Germany, Holocaust and Comparative Genocide) and the shit students say and/or believe about History in a college level US History Survey course is comical.

And unfortunately, in general there is an abnormally high number of people in the US and world that are Holocaust deniers.

Even though all one needs is to get access to the Holocaust archives that Germany has. The Nazi's kept extremely accurate details of everything they did, when they did it, how they did, where they did it, and who they did it to.

Unfortunately most history courses(atleast offered in the US) gloss over/doesn't cover the US/World inaction because of US/World antisemitism & extreme xenophobia. If Hitler and the Nazi's didn't try/seek global conquest history would have been quite different.

And then you have the US Govt's(state govts mostly) crimes against our own citizenry pre-WWII. The US was the leader in the Eugenics movements until the Nazi's used Eugenics as a justification for their extermination of the Jews. For gods sake, the idea of using gas chambers to euthanize and cleanse society of people deemed to be of unfit genetics(blacks, women who had premarital sex, people of low iq, etc) originated from the American eugenics movement. Not only was it an American idea, it was also considered to be the recommended solution of the widely believed in movement.

Oh just shut the fuck up... you're as full of sheit as he is. no one cares.

 

[Wreckem]

They never did actually euthanize people in the US though, and it wasn't a federal program it was state by state.

Several people have sued their states for being sterilized in the not too distant past.

Actually there were plenty of people euthanized. Was it wide spread? No, but it did occur and it wasn't by gas chamber, it was by food tainted with deadly diseases.

 

[Wreckem]

Oh just shut the fuck up... you're as full of sheit as he is. no one cares.

Where am I full of shit? Everything I said is more or less fact. Except maybe if Hitler didnt go on global conquest history would be different.

And, okay it was actually Brit fiction writers that first thought up the horror of using gas chambers to kill undesirables, but the British govt never actually contemplated doing it. America was the first to actually contemplate using euthanasia and gas chambers on undesirables. In the early 1900s there was a study to find a solution to rid society of defective people that partly funded by the US Govt. Was it ever put into play?No, thank god. But it was thought about and well researched. And there are more than a few documented cases of state mental asylums purposely infecting people with deadly diseases to kill the "unfit" under the theory that without treatment, the fit would survive and the "unfit" would die. Fortunately the US eugenics movement moved away from euthansia and moved to force sterilization. Even more fortunately the eugenics movement more or less died in the US after WWII(except in CA and a couple of southern states where it persisted far to long).

Before modern science and medicine came about, the US(and pretty much the rest of the world) was full of fucking crack pots. The US does have its own dirty past. Unfortunately/fortunately, alot of what we know today was gained by "experimentation" on "undesirables" by various groups in the US, Germany, and the rest of Europe, in the 1900s-1950s.

 

[Incorruptible]

OP, those weren't related to the Holocaust but were genocides

As well in many countries they dont teach about the Holocaust because radical Islamists get offended, this is a step in the right direction to combat them

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-445979/Teachers-drop-Holocaust-avoid-offending-Muslims.html

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Where am I full of shit? Everything I said is more or less fact. Except maybe if Hitler didnt go on global conquest history would be different.

And, okay it was actually Brit fiction writers that first thought up the horror of using gas chambers to kill undesirables, but they never actually contemplated doing it. America was the first to actually contemplate using euthanasia and gas chambers on undesirables. The study to find a solution to rid society of defective people was actually partly funded by the US Govt. Was it ever put into play?No, thank god. But it was thought about and well researched. And more than a few documented cases of state mental asylums purposely infecting people with deadly diseases to kill the "unfit" under the theory that without treatment, the fit would survive and the "unfit" would die.

Before modern science came about, the US was full of fucking crack pots. The US has its own dirty past(as does most every country), we just don't talk about it.

Yes of course, all of modern history is a conspiracy story and YOU alone know the truth...

I hate people like you, just fuck off.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/study-of-holocaust-mandated-for-schools-20121207-2b10k.html



yeah, that's nice and all. how about teaching kids about other holocausts too? like iraq, armenia, rwanda, shatila, sabrila, detroit?

How about modern day Syria, Sudan, Uganda, Kongo, NK, Chinese uigurs, Pakistani Christians, Egyptian Copts...

The entire muslim worlds treatment of apostates? ALL fearing the punishment of death.

How about it, do you really want all of it taught because we'll breed an entire generation that will hate Islam if we do that.

But i'm with you, tell the truth. Islam needs to be abolished from this planet before peace can be attempted.

 

[Wreckem]

Yes of course, all of modern history is a conspiracy story and YOU alone know the truth...

I hate people like you, just fuck off.

Its not really a conspiracy. But okay.

I guess, all the proven biological testing done on our own troops/civilians is fabricated as well.

 

[Wreckem]

How about modern day Syria, Sudan, Uganda, Kongo, NK, Chinese uigurs, Pakistani Christians, Egyptian Copts...

The entire muslim worlds treatment of apostates? ALL fearing the punishment of death.

How about it, do you really want all of it taught because we'll breed an entire generation that will hate Islam if we do that.

But i'm with you, tell the truth. Islam needs to be abolished from this planet before peace can be attempted.

OMG. You call me a conspiracy theorist, when you are a fucking certified nutjob.

Sieg Heil. Next thing out of your mouth is probably going to be exterminate the Muslims.

Islam isn't the problem. The fictitious thing called religion is.

 

[CanOWorms]

Is it possible to teach WW2 without mentioning the holocaust?

Probably. WW2 is mostly taught without reference to many other ongoing genocides. For example, most people are ignorant on the Bengal genocide that was orchestrated by Winston Churchill. It was a man-made famine, the study of which was partly responsible for one of the world's most famous academics (and genocide survivor) to be awarded a Nobel Prize in Economics.

 

[zanejohnson]

How about modern day Syria, Sudan, Uganda, Kongo, NK, Chinese uigurs, Pakistani Christians, Egyptian Copts...

The entire muslim worlds treatment of apostates? ALL fearing the punishment of death.

How about it, do you really want all of it taught because we'll breed an entire generation that will hate Islam if we do that.

But i'm with you, tell the truth. Islam needs to be abolished from this planet before peace can be attempted.

come on, your better than this.

 

[CanOWorms]

The only thing that rivals/is worse than what the Nazi's did was what the Soviets were doing.

Obviously you're not familiar with British colonialism. Hundreds of millions were killed.

 

[Wreckem]

Obviously you're not familiar with British colonialism. Hundreds of millions were killed.

Well yes if you add up hundreds of years of colonialism, the British take the cake. But the British were equal oppurtunity butcherers because their King was divine and choosen by God and could do no wrong. Humans were vicious savages for most of our history. And there are quite a few who still are.