Study finds that pull out method is almost as safe as condoms

[feralkid]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: zerocool84
I just find it funny that everyone here is only worried about having a baby and not about STD's. Do you drive the girl to the clinic and wait until the results come back and get them directly from the doctor to see if she is clean??? Yea I highly doubt that. Then you guys are just going to say that you don't have sex with hookers or sluts well she could have something and not know about it. Use a condom 100% of the time. Even if you pull out there's this thing called pre-cum and still has semen in it. If the both of you are smart, and everyone here says they are and says their partner is smart as well, she will be on birth control and you will use a condom 100% of the time.

If you're smart you won't have sex with a condom on because...well it sucks.

Darwin contestant.

 

[Onita]

Originally posted by: feralkid

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: zerocool84
I just find it funny that everyone here is only worried about having a baby and not about STD's. Do you drive the girl to the clinic and wait until the results come back and get them directly from the doctor to see if she is clean??? Yea I highly doubt that. Then you guys are just going to say that you don't have sex with hookers or sluts well she could have something and not know about it. Use a condom 100% of the time. Even if you pull out there's this thing called pre-cum and still has semen in it. If the both of you are smart, and everyone here says they are and says their partner is smart as well, she will be on birth control and you will use a condom 100% of the time.

If you're smart you won't have sex with a condom on because...well it sucks.

Darwin contestant.

How is that anything close to being a Darwin contestant?

 

[her209]

Its been working so far.

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

Originally posted by: zerocool84
I just find it funny that everyone here is only worried about having a baby and not about STD's. Do you drive the girl to the clinic and wait until the results come back and get them directly from the doctor to see if she is clean??? Yea I highly doubt that. Then you guys are just going to say that you don't have sex with hookers or sluts well she could have something and not know about it. Use a condom 100% of the time. Even if you pull out there's this thing called pre-cum and still has semen in it. If the both of you are smart, and everyone here says they are and says their partner is smart as well, she will be on birth control and you will use a condom 100% of the time.

There are many side effects to BC.

Also, nobody said to use the pull out method with unsafe sex practices (i.e. non-protected vaginal/anal/oral intercourse with unsafe partners). It obviously doesn't protect against STD's, but the second primary concern about sex is pregnancies. This solely is discussing the second concern and doesn't address the first one.

L2R

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: Onita

Originally posted by: feralkid

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: zerocool84
I just find it funny that everyone here is only worried about having a baby and not about STD's. Do you drive the girl to the clinic and wait until the results come back and get them directly from the doctor to see if she is clean??? Yea I highly doubt that. Then you guys are just going to say that you don't have sex with hookers or sluts well she could have something and not know about it. Use a condom 100% of the time. Even if you pull out there's this thing called pre-cum and still has semen in it. If the both of you are smart, and everyone here says they are and says their partner is smart as well, she will be on birth control and you will use a condom 100% of the time.

If you're smart you won't have sex with a condom on because...well it sucks.

Darwin contestant.

How is that anything close to being a Darwin contestant?

Yeah, if anything, it's the opposite, because it makes him slightly more likely to reproduce.

 

[TridenT]

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: NightDarker
I find that terribly hard to believe.

Especially that some people are so inept that condoms have a 17% failure rate.

I call bullshit on these statistics.

Until I see shit tons of journals coming out with results that ALL align with percentages under regular circumstances then I call shens on all stats.

Pull out is known for being the biggest boat of fail ever. A lot of you say, "Pull out works for me!" While it could be that you just have shitty sperm.

 

[SoulAssassin]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
shens

If only there was a way for us to prove this to be true or false.

 

[zerocool84]

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: zerocool84
I just find it funny that everyone here is only worried about having a baby and not about STD's. Do you drive the girl to the clinic and wait until the results come back and get them directly from the doctor to see if she is clean??? Yea I highly doubt that. Then you guys are just going to say that you don't have sex with hookers or sluts well she could have something and not know about it. Use a condom 100% of the time. Even if you pull out there's this thing called pre-cum and still has semen in it. If the both of you are smart, and everyone here says they are and says their partner is smart as well, she will be on birth control and you will use a condom 100% of the time.

There are many side effects to BC.

Also, nobody said to use the pull out method with unsafe sex practices (i.e. non-protected vaginal/anal/oral intercourse with unsafe partners). It obviously doesn't protect against STD's, but the second primary concern about sex is pregnancies. This solely is discussing the second concern and doesn't address the first one.

L2R

Unsafe practices is unprotected sex. Yes there are many side effect to BC. That's why if you are smart enough, you should find the right one for you. There are two very bad and possible side effects to not using birth control/condoms, pregnancy and std's. If you don't mind it then hey more power to you but I like to preach safe sex practices to everyone. Everyone is going to have sex whether we believe it or not and I don't want anyone to get sick or have an unwanted baby from it. The extremely small negatives to using BC and condoms are far outwieghed by the pluses they provide.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: NightDarker
I find that terribly hard to believe.

Especially that some people are so inept that condoms have a 17% failure rate.

I call bullshit on these statistics.

Until I see shit tons of journals coming out with results that ALL align with percentages under regular circumstances then I call shens on all stats.

Pull out is known for being the biggest boat of fail ever. A lot of you say, "Pull out works for me!" While it could be that you just have shitty sperm.

So you'll take anecdotal evidence that pulling out is "the biggest boat of fail ever" but discard anecdotal evidence that's backed up by a study?

 

[feralkid]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Onita

Originally posted by: feralkid

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: zerocool84
I just find it funny that everyone here is only worried about having a baby and not about STD's. Do you drive the girl to the clinic and wait until the results come back and get them directly from the doctor to see if she is clean??? Yea I highly doubt that. Then you guys are just going to say that you don't have sex with hookers or sluts well she could have something and not know about it. Use a condom 100% of the time. Even if you pull out there's this thing called pre-cum and still has semen in it. If the both of you are smart, and everyone here says they are and says their partner is smart as well, she will be on birth control and you will use a condom 100% of the time.

If you're smart you won't have sex with a condom on because...well it sucks.

Darwin contestant.

How is that anything close to being a Darwin contestant?

Yeah, if anything, it's the opposite, because it makes him slightly more likely to reproduce.

STD's can kill you, make you sterile or make your genitals otherwise useless for reproductive or recreational purposes.

 

[middlehead]

Originally posted by: Cattlegod
Lets play a game of Just the Tip!

We're gonna play a game, it's called "just the tip, just for a second, just to see how it feels."

 

[Homerboy]

failure rate for condoms is 2%?
So if I have sex 100 times I can expect 2 pregnancies?

 

[SilentZero]

I believe this. My wife and I used this method for 11 years...and we have only 1 child (which was planned). So yeah...pull out method does work!

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Homerboy
failure rate for condoms is 2%?
So if I have sex 100 times I can expect 2 pregnancies?

No, if 100 women use condoms correctly all year, 2 of them will get pregnant.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories...alth/main5045514.shtml

Ask most sexually active people today about the pullout method as an effective form of contraception and you're likely to induce eye-rolling and snickers.

But withdrawal before ejaculation during intercourse is more than just "better than nothing," a new study claims, noting that it is nearly as effective at preventing pregnancy as condoms.

The study, titled "Better than nothing or savvy risk reduction practice? The importance of withdrawal," appears in the June edition of the journal Contraception.

The authors find:

"If the male partner withdraws before ejaculation every time a couple has vaginal intercourse, about 4% of couples will become pregnant over the course of a year. However, more realistic estimates of typical use indicate that about 18% of couples will become pregnant in a year using withdrawal. These rates are only slightly less effective than male condoms, which have perfect- and typical-use failure rates of 2% and 17%, respectively."

PDF of the journal article

Guess I shouldn't freak out as much when I do pull out with my gf when condoms aren't handy now...

Nor should you freak out when your GF gets pregnant with a mini-virus.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
Don't put it in in the first place works too.

How's that been working out for you?

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Homerboy
failure rate for condoms is 2%?
So if I have sex 100 times I can expect 2 pregnancies?

No, if 100 women use condoms correctly all year, 2 of them will get pregnant.

That's not how it works... You can't get pregnant if you use a condom properly. The sperm doesn't make it through the barrier "every once in a while". That 2% failure rate is due to improper usage and/or breakage. If it stays on and is seated properly, the sperm wont get out.

It's the same deal with the pill. The 1% or whatever failure rate it has is due to improper usage, user error, missing a day, something to that effect. If used properly, she will not get pregnant.

 

[randay]

so whats the percentage with the itb method?

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: randay
so whats the percentage with the itb method?

In all honesty that's not completely safe either.

 

[Dumac]

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Homerboy
failure rate for condoms is 2%?
So if I have sex 100 times I can expect 2 pregnancies?

No, if 100 women use condoms correctly all year, 2 of them will get pregnant.

That's not how it works... You can't get pregnant if you use a condom properly. The sperm doesn't make it through the barrier "every once in a while". That 2% failure rate is due to improper usage and/or breakage. If it stays on and is seated properly, the sperm wont get out.

It's the same deal with the pill. The 1% or whatever failure rate it has is due to improper usage, user error, missing a day, something to that effect. If used properly, she will not get pregnant.

Then why are the statistics 17% failure with improper usage, 2% failure with proper usage?

 

[AdamK47]

Catholics have already proven this doesn't work.

<---- comes from a Catholic family

 

[octopus41092]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: ggnl
Moral of the story: get her on the pill.

On a side note, I have a hard time believing the failure rate for comdoms is 2%.

Improper use factors in.

Well, yes and improper pulling out is like 25%

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: randay
so whats the percentage with the itb method?

In all honesty that's not completely safe either.

Yeah, where do you think lawyers come from?

*rimshot*

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: Dumac

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Homerboy
failure rate for condoms is 2%?
So if I have sex 100 times I can expect 2 pregnancies?

No, if 100 women use condoms correctly all year, 2 of them will get pregnant.

That's not how it works... You can't get pregnant if you use a condom properly. The sperm doesn't make it through the barrier "every once in a while". That 2% failure rate is due to improper usage and/or breakage. If it stays on and is seated properly, the sperm wont get out.

It's the same deal with the pill. The 1% or whatever failure rate it has is due to improper usage, user error, missing a day, something to that effect. If used properly, she will not get pregnant.

Then why are the statistics 17% failure with improper usage, 2% failure with proper usage?

That 2% may be due to breaking condoms or something, I'm not sure. Can YOUR sperm swim through a condom like barrier? I didn't think so.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Homerboy
failure rate for condoms is 2%?
So if I have sex 100 times I can expect 2 pregnancies?

No, if 100 women use condoms correctly all year, 2 of them will get pregnant.

That's not how it works... You can't get pregnant if you use a condom properly. The sperm doesn't make it through the barrier "every once in a while". That 2% failure rate is due to improper usage and/or breakage. If it stays on and is seated properly, the sperm wont get out.

It's the same deal with the pill. The 1% or whatever failure rate it has is due to improper usage, user error, missing a day, something to that effect. If used properly, she will not get pregnant.

Statistically, which is what we're talking about here, that's exactly how it works.

Oh, and did I mention you're completely incorrect? 2% failure rate is with "perfect use" which means the condom is used correctly and used every single time the woman has sex. The 2% failure rate is due to condom breakage and/or slip-offs during sex despite correct usage.

Incorrect usage is factored into the "typical use" efficacy rate of 15-17%.

So to repeat, if 100 women have sex all year long and use a condom correctly, every time they have sex, statistically 2 of them will still get pregnant.