Study finds one-third of gay black men in 20s have HIV

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: Tabb
DO NOT RESPOND DO NOT FVCKING RESPOND

:thumbsup:

 

[Riprorin]

Promiscuous sex is by definition careless. Careful promiscuous sex is an oxymoron.

I think that your faith in the human race is misplaced. As the article points out "the safe-sex message that has been a drumbeat ... since the mid-1980s." Yet, that hasn't stopped 12% of gay males from 23 - 29 from contracting AIDS.

Education is important but what man really needs is spiritual renewal.

 

[rickn]

riprorin can't help it, he's a Fallwellian, they like to stick their noses up everyone elses ass

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Promiscuous sex is by definition careless. Careful promiscuous sex is an oxymoron.

I think that your faith in the human race is misplaced. As the article points out "the safe-sex message that has been a drumbeat ... since the mid-1980s." Yet, that hasn't stopped 12% of gay males from 23 - 29 from contracting AIDS.

Education is important but what man really needs is spiritual renewal.

Promiscuous
Careful casual, random, indiscriminate sex is fine by me...Nowhere does it say that promiscuous is inherently careless.

Education hasn't fully been adopted...mostly because of abstinence only campaigns, and lack of birth control access.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Promiscuous sex is by definition careless. Careful promiscuous sex is an oxymoron.

I think that your faith in the human race is misplaced. As the article points out "the safe-sex message that has been a drumbeat ... since the mid-1980s." Yet, that hasn't stopped 12% of gay males from 23 - 29 from contracting AIDS.

Education is important but what man really needs is spiritual renewal.

Promiscuous
Careful casual, random, indiscriminate sex is fine by me...Nowhere does it say that promiscuous is inherently careless.

Education hasn't fully been adopted...mostly because of abstinence only campaigns, and lack of birth control access.

Sigh.

 

[joshw10]

Rip, what is with your obsession with sex? Nobody on this board has it anyway..

 

[SuperTool]

Sounds like a big problem to me. I think more needs to be done to fight stigma to encourage testing and treatment. And the safe sex message needs to be reinforced more in that target group.
And yes, if there is 30% chance that your partner are HIV+, abstinence is something worth considering unless both are monogamous and tested and using protection.
So, Rip, keep up the good work abstaining from the big chocolate bar.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Promiscuous sex is by definition careless. Careful promiscuous sex is an oxymoron.

I think that your faith in the human race is misplaced. As the article points out "the safe-sex message that has been a drumbeat ... since the mid-1980s." Yet, that hasn't stopped 12% of gay males from 23 - 29 from contracting AIDS.

Education is important but what man really needs is spiritual renewal.

Promiscuous
Careful casual, random, indiscriminate sex is fine by me...Nowhere does it say that promiscuous is inherently careless.

Education hasn't fully been adopted...mostly because of abstinence only campaigns, and lack of birth control access.

But it is careless. It doesn't say it in the dictionary definition, but it is. If you don't know the people you are having sex with, whether they have an STD or not, you are being careless. If you are sleeping around with random people you don't know, that's careless.

 

[outriding]

one-third of young gay black men in large U.S. cities are infected with HIV

Hmm 1 in 3 of Rips threads are about gays.


Coincide or not..

I think not

 

[outriding]

Originally posted by: impeachbush
What has your president done to help the situation Rip?

Didn't Bush cut alot of the AIDS research in his first term ?

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Promiscuous sex is by definition careless. Careful promiscuous sex is an oxymoron.

I think that your faith in the human race is misplaced. As the article points out "the safe-sex message that has been a drumbeat ... since the mid-1980s." Yet, that hasn't stopped 12% of gay males from 23 - 29 from contracting AIDS.

Education is important but what man really needs is spiritual renewal.

so what you're saying is, which should support monogamous relationships between gays (ie: gay marriage or civil unions).

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: ntdz
But it is careless. It doesn't say it in the dictionary definition, but it is. If you don't know the people you are having sex with, whether they have an STD or not, you are being careless. If you are sleeping around with random people you don't know, that's careless.

No it isn't, the reason it has been labelled careless is because of the chance of pregnancy, chance of stds and the like.
If safe sex is practiced with the best and improving birth-control and protection, promiscuous sex is no more risky than having sex with your wife.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: ntdz
But it is careless. It doesn't say it in the dictionary definition, but it is. If you don't know the people you are having sex with, whether they have an STD or not, you are being careless. If you are sleeping around with random people you don't know, that's careless.

No it isn't, the reason it has been labelled careless is because of the chance of pregnancy, chance of stds and the like.
If safe sex is practiced with the best and improving birth-control and protection, promiscuous sex is no more risky than having sex with your wife.

Given that an educated person who attends a top university has views like this, it's pretty obvious why education hasn't been ineffective in preventing unwanted prgnancies and the spread of AIDS and STDs among the general populace.

Stunt, frankly I'm shocked.

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: ntdz
But it is careless. It doesn't say it in the dictionary definition, but it is. If you don't know the people you are having sex with, whether they have an STD or not, you are being careless. If you are sleeping around with random people you don't know, that's careless.

No it isn't, the reason it has been labelled careless is because of the chance of pregnancy, chance of stds and the like.
If safe sex is practiced with the best and improving birth-control and protection, promiscuous sex is no more risky than having sex with your wife.

Given that an educated person who attends a top university has views like this, it's pretty obvious why education hasn't been ineffective in preventing unwanted prgnancies and the spread of AIDS and STDs among the general populace.

Stunt, frankly I'm shocked.

I was educated to critique logically any theory/problem proposed. Your theory proposes all gays magically turn straight, all people to stop having sex and all people turn to god.
All very much unrealistic goals.
I try to work with what we are given, if my goal is to reduce disease and abortions, i must take reasonable measures. Remember we are talking about people who are very unlikely to turn to god anytime soon (the basis of most of your ideals).
Sad but true...

I think education and access to birth control is far more effective than other methods, feel free to prove me wrong...

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Stunt
PS. that was a rough stab at the gay gene...while you may not agree with the gay lifestyle, there are a lot of respectable gays out there (my aunt included), who would not appreciate all the discrimination.

Stunt, how am I discriminating?

I'm merely suggesting that people need to accept responsibilty for their behavior.

Where does the study say the gay black men with HIV don't accept responsibility for their behaviour?

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Stunt
PS. that was a rough stab at the gay gene...while you may not agree with the gay lifestyle, there are a lot of respectable gays out there (my aunt included), who would not appreciate all the discrimination.

Stunt, how am I discriminating?

I'm merely suggesting that people need to accept responsibilty for their behavior.

Where does the study say the gay black men with HIV don't accept responsibility for their behaviour?

Less than one-third of those who had HIV in the survey knew about their infection.

Almost half of the men surveyed admitted they had had unprotected anal sex during the previous six months.

Not very responsible behavior, imo.

 

[conjur]

Then why do you engage in it, Rip? We all know you're gay. Come on out of the closet.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: ntdz
But it is careless. It doesn't say it in the dictionary definition, but it is. If you don't know the people you are having sex with, whether they have an STD or not, you are being careless. If you are sleeping around with random people you don't know, that's careless.

No it isn't, the reason it has been labelled careless is because of the chance of pregnancy, chance of stds and the like.
If safe sex is practiced with the best and improving birth-control and protection, promiscuous sex is no more risky than having sex with your wife.

Given that an educated person who attends a top university has views like this, it's pretty obvious why education hasn't been ineffective in preventing unwanted prgnancies and the spread of AIDS and STDs among the general populace.

Stunt, frankly I'm shocked.

I was educated to critique logically any theory/problem proposed. Your theory proposes all gays magically turn straight, all people to stop having sex and all people turn to god.
All very much unrealistic goals.
I try to work with what we are given, if my goal is to reduce disease and abortions, i must take reasonable measures. Remember we are talking about people who are very unlikely to turn to god anytime soon (the basis of most of your ideals).
Sad but true...

I think education and access to birth control is far more effective than other methods, feel free to prove me wrong...

If you believe that having casual, indiscriminate sex with multiple partners is no mre risky than having sex with you wife (assuming that your wife isn't a prostitute), I doubt that I'll be able to prove anything to you.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Stunt
PS. that was a rough stab at the gay gene...while you may not agree with the gay lifestyle, there are a lot of respectable gays out there (my aunt included), who would not appreciate all the discrimination.

Stunt, how am I discriminating?

I'm merely suggesting that people need to accept responsibilty for their behavior.

Where does the study say the gay black men with HIV don't accept responsibility for their behaviour?

Less than one-third of those who had HIV in the survey knew about their infection.

Almost half of the men surveyed admitted they had had unprotected anal sex during the previous six months.

Not very responsible behavior, imo.

You said 'accept responsibility', not 'act responsibly'.

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: ntdz
But it is careless. It doesn't say it in the dictionary definition, but it is. If you don't know the people you are having sex with, whether they have an STD or not, you are being careless. If you are sleeping around with random people you don't know, that's careless.

No it isn't, the reason it has been labelled careless is because of the chance of pregnancy, chance of stds and the like.
If safe sex is practiced with the best and improving birth-control and protection, promiscuous sex is no more risky than having sex with your wife.

Given that an educated person who attends a top university has views like this, it's pretty obvious why education hasn't been ineffective in preventing unwanted prgnancies and the spread of AIDS and STDs among the general populace.

Stunt, frankly I'm shocked.

I was educated to critique logically any theory/problem proposed. Your theory proposes all gays magically turn straight, all people to stop having sex and all people turn to god.
All very much unrealistic goals.
I try to work with what we are given, if my goal is to reduce disease and abortions, i must take reasonable measures. Remember we are talking about people who are very unlikely to turn to god anytime soon (the basis of most of your ideals).
Sad but true...

I think education and access to birth control is far more effective than other methods, feel free to prove me wrong...

If you believe that having casual, indiscriminate sex with multiple partners is no mre risky than having sex with you wife (assuming that your wife isn't a prostitute), I doubt that I'll be able to prove anything to you.

Don't misquote me...i said "safe sex is practiced with the best and improving birth-control and protection", it doesn't matter matter who the partner is.
Don't avoid the issue...please prove how education and access to birth control is NOT the most effective given the current state of things...
Honestly, it's good to have morals, but you have to work with what you are given.

 

[Riprorin]

You're aware of course that HPV is spread by skin contact, right?

By "the best and improving...protection" do you mean a fully body condom?

Are there any gays that don't know the risks of having unprotected casual sex with multiple sex partners? Yet, 30% of black males in their 20s having AIDS.

Clearly, education alone isn't the solution.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Stunt
PS. that was a rough stab at the gay gene...while you may not agree with the gay lifestyle, there are a lot of respectable gays out there (my aunt included), who would not appreciate all the discrimination.

Stunt, how am I discriminating?

I'm merely suggesting that people need to accept responsibilty for their behavior.

The irony in this is killing me!


Come out of the closet already, Rip. We all know you're gay and you're just exhibiting your self-loathing.


Seek therapy.

I think he must have had a bad experience when he was young and now he's all hung up about it. ASS a genreal rule it seems to me that religious people are the most promiscuous.

 

[dmcowen674]

I see it that Rip broke his promise of no longer spewing multiple Gay threads in less than 24 hrs.

Reverend Rip must be classified as an Epidemic.

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
You're aware of course that HPV is spread by skin contact, right?

By "the best and improving...protection" do you mean a fully body condom?

Are there any gays that don't know the risks of having unprotected casual sex with multiple sex partners? Yet, 30% of black males in their 20s having AIDS.

Clearly, education alone isn't the solution.

If it is skin transmitable, it can be transferred through handshakes, this is something all people do. The solution is a full body condom?...not something i would see as feasible, maybe you do...
Note that the article is canadian where the black population is extremely small. Not a significant sample size...they could have even moved to Canada due to a more liberal (gay-accepting) society and access to affordable healthcare.
More information is needed to draw conclusions.

Aren't catholics 8 times more likely to have anal or oral sex?
I remember something along those lines here

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: conjur
Then why do you engage in it, Rip? We all know you're gay. Come on out of the closet.

He is so intimately knowledgable in this so he has to have "personal" experience.